i like 'em both
Mike Slive sounds like a real tool.
Excised the oversigny parts:
On the heels of national signing day, one of the hot topics right now is oversigning, and those in the Big Ten are screaming that the SEC has a huge advantage because many of the SEC teams oversign so many players. Where do you stand on the matter?
MS: It was two years ago that we took the initiative and put in an SEC rule that 28 was the most you could sign [in one class] and understanding that the rest of the country might not do that. The rest of the country followed suit and copied the SEC rule nationally and made it 28. Now, we’ve had a couple of years with the 28, and there are issues that relate to signing day. We’ve actually had an athletic director committee that’s been looking at all this for several months before all of the articles. We expect a recommendation from the committee that will come to our athletic directors this spring, and I fully expect legislation to be considered in Destin [at the SEC meetings] that will address some of the issues that have been raised.
Do you think we’ll essentially see the end to oversigning in the SEC with some of this new legislation, and will there be some real teeth in this new legislation?
MS: It’s a much more complex question than meets the eye. That’s not to say it isn’t one that needs to be addressed and resolved. Just like we did with the 28 limit, I’m pretty confident that we will take some initiative in Destin to try and deal with some of the issues that have been discussed. It’s complicated when you talk about the 25 you can get in in August and then counting some back and then counting some forward and then the issue of “grayshirting.” You also have more and more prospects enrolling for the spring instead of waiting for the fall. Our athletic directors are trying to take all of those pieces to the puzzle and see if there’s a way in which to address them that’s really fair to the student-athlete and fair to the institution.
Do you agree with Florida president Bernie Machen that “grayshirting” is a morally reprehensible practice?
MS: I think it’s a practice that on its face is one we’re going to address head-on. There’s a question that relates to notice and making sure that everybody knows exactly what’s going on. I think you will find that our ADs and our league will address the issue of “grayshirting.” Bernie has raised it. It’s definitely something that will be a part of whatever recommendations come from our athletic directors.
Well, the allegedly doomed flight of recruiting class 2011 has been brought in for a relatively safe landing by the crew of Hoke, Mattison, et. al. Great job guys, you are our new heroes! So, is it too soon to start obsessing about the 2012 recruiting class? Of course it is, but let's do it anyway!
The consensus around here seems to be that the 2012 class may be on the smallish side and, gee, wouldn't it be nice to bring in a star-studded crop of elite beasts? For my first ever diary-esque posting, I thought I would take a look at the early data on Scout.com regarding four and five star prospects, and where they might be looking.
I've decided to call this the "Blue Chip Radar Scan", as it attempts to gauge how many blue chip players various schools have on their radar (or, conversely, what schools are in the recruits' sights). To be sure, this is very long range radar; more like a Distant Early Warning System. There is plenty of time and opportunity for the picture to change dramatically, but I thought it would be fun to get an early sense of how much ground Michigan would need to gain to run with the big dogs in terms of snagging their share of the most-prized recruiting prospects.
We can't build a proper table without trying to rank the teams. The rankings are based on a simple and admittedly flawed point system. A five star commit is worth 5 points, a four star commit is worth 4 points and being on the interest list is worth 5 or 4 points, respectively, divided by the number of teams on the interest list. This roughly corresponds to an expected value for final blue chip point count, if you give each listed school an equal chance to land a recruit (sure, that's not realistic, but hey, this is just a long range view).
Disclaimers: There are caveats a-plenty, including the usual rants dismissing the validity of star ratings, the limitation to Scout-only data, and the very preliminary status of player ratings, commitments, and interest lists. You can also speculate on different schools emphasizing early vs. late recruiting or employing wide-net vs. narrowly-focused strategies. No definitive conclusions are to be drawn here; it's just intended to provide some fun numbers to look at.
With that in mind, here are your top 20 teams on the inaugural Blue Chip Radar Scan:
What about just Big Ten teams? Okay, here are the Big Ten schools plus Notre Dame.
What do we make of all this? Well, for that you can just talk amongst yourselves. For my part, I won't try to draw any profound conclusions, but it is somewhat startling to see almost half of the top-rated guys listing Alabama. And USC; weren't they supposed to be in the midst of hard times? Half of the Big Ten seems destined to make their bones on the backs of 3-star and below talent (so what else is new). Minnesota; ouch. Just a single four star OG listing them among 13 other suitors.
As for Michigan, the Hokester and company have some serious ground to close to raise thier profile with big name players to the same level as the evil empire to the south. That's somewhat understandable, given the tumultuous transition, but recent recruiting efforts suggest that the staff will work hard and have some success making headway in that direction.
Another OH DE got an offer today, by the name of Pharoah Brown. 6'6 220, and could probably play TE too. From Allen Trieu
Lyndhurst Brush (Ohio) DE Pharaoh Brown is blowing up. Michigan and Arizona State offered today:
Also has offers from Arizona State and Syracuse.
Walk like an Egyptian, Hoke. (I'm really hoping someone can think of a better pun than that)
***TomVH EDIT***** Here's a few quotes from Pharaoh about the offer, no reason to create a new thread.
"I talked to Coach Mattison today, and then he put the head coach on the phone and they offered me right there. They said they saw my film and they really liked me."
"I'm going to try to get up there for the one day camp, but I'll try to get up there before that for the Junior day too. This is a very big offer for me, I was also offered by Arizona State today too."
Pharaoh said he plays quarterback, defensive end, and tight end but Michigan is recruiting him for DE.
- Greg Brown will be #35.
- Ricardo Miller switches from #82 to 80.
I didn't see this posted anywhere. If I missed please delete. http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020811aaa.html
This is the continuation of my offensive post from yesterday. Michigan obviously addressed the defensive side of the ball in 2011, and luckily for Coach Hoke and Coach Mattison the Midwest is loaded with some great defensive talent for an even better haul.
I’d go far enough to say that a top-10 class is possible, and that’s not even considering states like Texas or California, which we know this staff can recruit.
I’m going to start off with the defensive backs and linebackers, since I know many of you want to know about all the tackle prospects! Patience.
CB Terry Richardson – 5'9, 160 lbs, Detroit, Michigan.
Richardson is the next great cornerback in the proverbial line of smallish Cass Tech cornerbacks. Terry is more similar to BooBoo as a faster prospect with good hips, though he will need to add some weight and be more physical at the next level. There is some worry amongst Michigan fans that Richardson is not being offered fast enough, but that offer will come soon.
Other offers: Iowa, Alabama, LSU, Toledo, Pittsburgh, Michigan State
Safety Bam Bradley – 6'2, 200 lbs, Trotwood, Ohio.
Bam is a great talent to go along with a great name. A player similar to current Wolverine Marvin Robinson, Bradley has the potential to be a safety or grow into linebacker at the next level. Bradley suffered through a hamstring injury his junior year, so his stats weren’t very good. Obviously Michigan has the Trotwood trio on their current roster, but Bradley is being watched by Ohio State and will likely be offered.
Other offers: Michigan State, Northwestern
Safety Deshaun Hall – 6'1, 205 lbs, Canton, Ohio.
Many think of Bradley as one of the top safeties in the state, but Deshaun Hall is quietly becoming one of the best safeties in the state of Ohio and the Midwest as well. He’s got very good size, and is a great free safety prospect in college. Unfortunately, Ohio State has been through his school a number of times and he’s visited them as well.
Other offers/interest: No offers, but Oregon, Pitt, Wisconsin, and others are interested.
CB Cody Quinn – 5'10, 165 lbs, Middletown, Ohio.
Quinn is a smooth cornerback with great hips and he has good speed to match as well. Helped his team go 10 in their regular season and is one of the top cornerbacks in Ohio. Cincinnati was the first to offer, but it’s a pretty down year in Ohio, so don’t be surprised to see Quinn get a lot of looks.
Other interest: Notre Dame, Michigan State
LB James Ross – 6'1 210 lbs, Orchard Lake, Michigan
One of the top players in Michigan, Ross struggled last season due to a number of injuries. Michigan has been in on him since his late sophomore year, and that interest is continuing. Ross was very happy with the hiring of Greg Mattison, and he will visit Michigan, along with Ohio State, and Notre Dame among others.
Other Offers: Michigan State, Purdue, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati
LB Royce Jenkins-Stone – 6’2, 215 lbs, Detroit Michigan.
Where Ross is a much more polished product, Royce is still tapping into his potential. A great physical athlete who can move sideline to sideline, Stone has turned into one of the top linebackers in the state and the midwest as well. One of Brady Hoke’s first stops once he arrived at Michigan was to see Coach Wilcher and his players at Cass, so you won’t need to worry about Royce getting an offer or not.
Other Offers: Iowa, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Toledo, Michigan State
LB Laron Taylor – 6'0, 205 lbs, Detroit Michigan.
While Jenkins-Stone is the more recognizable name at Cass Tech, an evolving star is Laron Taylor, who plays alongside Royce. Taylor is a bit undersized as a linebacker, but I had the chance to see him play in person once and he’s a terrific athlete who will be able to play linebacker at the next level. Iowa was the first to offer Taylor, but there is serious interest from a lot of schools after Taylor put out his junior film.
DT Vincent Valentine – 6'3, 300 lbs, Edwardsville, Illinois
Aside from having a cool name Valentine is a big talent who’s mostly upside at this point in time. He’s already visited Missouri and Kansas State, but Valentine is very open at this point and would be great to get on campus.
Other offers: Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas State, Tennessee, Wisconsin
DT Danny O’Brien – 6'3, 280 lbs, Flint, Michigan
A top-10 player in the state and premium talent. One of O’Brien’s “heroes” happens to be Mike Martin, and he’s visited Michigan a few times. However, Tennessee has been showing him serious interest as well, and they may lead. Hoke and Mattison really need to do work on this kid.
DT Matthew Godin – 6'5, 260 lbs, Deroit, Michigan.
Godin is another player who’s really come on strong since last year. He will probably end up as a three-technique in college, as he is more of a end right now. Buffalo and Cincinnati were the first to come through with offers, and Michigan State offered Godin recently on his visit to their junior day as well. Has strong family ties to Michigan.
DE Evan Winston – 6'4, 260 lbs, Muskegon, Michigan
A name you might not have heard much but will hear more of, Winston travelled all around the country last year camping, and he had a really strong showing on the field as well. He’s been collecting offers like crazy; Michigan State has been talking to him, and I expect Michigan will show interest as well. Brother plays at CMU.
Other offers: Ball State, Bowling Green, Toledo, Syracuse, Eastern Michigan
DE Tom Strobel – 6'6, 240 lbs, Mentor, Ohio
Ohio is absolutely loaded at defensive end in 2012.. which is why I think this guy may slip through the cracks. Strobel is a big body that moves well and plays for a very good Mentor program. He has visited Ohio State but I don’t think they’re heavily interested in him. High-academic kid too
Other offers: Cincinatti, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Purdue
DE Chris Wormley – 6'4, 255, Whitmer, Ohio
A consensus top-10 (rated #3 by rivals) player in Ohio next year, Wormley is a big body who excels in pass rushing. He’s got all the physical tools, and simply needs solid coaching and a high motor to put it all together. The consensus from people in Ohio is that Wormley will go to Michigan. He’s visited there a few times and though he may not say it, is leaning that way. Still, a long way to go in the recruiting process.
Other offers: Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State, Toledo, Cincinnati
You’ll notice I did not include some of the Ohio “Super” defensive ends. I did not include Washington, McMullen, Pittman, or Lewis (All top-10 players in Ohio). Frankly, I do not think Michigan will be able to pull any of them. Unless Ohio State takes 3, it will be incredibly difficult for the new staff to get in on these players. Most of them have been talking to Ohio State for 2 years and visited numerous times.
With that being said anything can happen.