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05/29/2018 - 2:34pm To quote David Byrne from the Talking Heads

Same as it ever was...

I get 37-41 miles on a charge. 37 miles in the dead of winter (I live in SoCal) and 41 in summer. Weather does effect range, but that's it. Battery has an 8 year warranty for most people, but 10 years in California.

I've never owner a car this long. Not a GM guy but this has been my best car yet. Waiting for them to work the bugs out of the Model 3 and for the lower priced version to lease it. Should be another 2-3 years.

05/29/2018 - 1:22pm Are gas prices up?

I didn't notice at all and haven't for the past 5 years. I drive a Volt.

05/25/2018 - 1:57pm Thanks for proving my point

My Michigan degree in history is no more valuable than many other school's. (you will see I mention your major matters too). Hardly enough to justify $250K.

But I know a number of people that went to Michigan B School undergrad that are making less money than me, and I have a Carlson School (Minnesota) MBA. My friend who went to Ross makes less money than me. So does my friend who got his MBA at Wharton. And is money at the end of the day the ultimate measure of success? (I do other things as an elected official that has a bigger impact on my community than my paycheck)

I am a super Michigan fan, but when it comes down to it, how well you do financially has little to do with where you go to school. Unless you receive the connections from Stanford or Harvard for something like navigating the VC world, it really doesn't matter.

05/25/2018 - 12:49pm I would say you are partially right

You can get a very good education at many state schools, especially in places like CA, MI, WI, IL, VA, NC, WA and even TX.

However, rankings can matter based on where employers recruit. Many employers will recruit based on proximity to campus, where the executives went to school and their school loyalty, and also rankings. But let's not kid ourselves that someone would take a student at Bemidji State over one from Harvard or Penn, even though the education may be comparable. And major also matters.

My point was that I don't believe that the cost of a Michigan degree justifies attending there. I was a history major and other than maybe an edge in grad school applications, it didn't help me in finding a job after graduation. I struggled as much as others from less prestigious schools.

05/25/2018 - 11:18am For grad school, yes

But for undergrad, if you look at the rankings, we aren't in the same class as Ivy League schools. There isn't an Ivy League school ranked below us for undergrad programs with one exception...Cornell's B school is ranked lower than ours. It's not even close.

I can see how Michigan has such a good reputation for its B School, but I just don't see how spending a minimum of $250K for 4 years is justified. My connections from Michigan undergrad hasn't helped me at all. I'm closer with my fellow Carlson (Minnesota) MBA students.

My friend's daughter got in to UC Davis and wait listed at U of M. He asked me what she should do. I said go to Davis because it's nearly as good of a school at 50% of the cost. She graduated and is now headed to law school. Her U of M degree wouldn't have opened any more doors for her. If you are in state in Michigan, great. But private universities hand out much more financial aid so the value isn't there out of state.

05/25/2018 - 10:39am Are we "the like" in the Ivy League and the like sentence?

It costs $61K all in for out of state undergrad students. Very limited, if any, financial aid.

While Michigan is a great school, it is way more expensive and out of reach of most upper middle class and especially middle class families out of state. It wasn't that way when I started in the mid 80s ($5,500/year tuition). Yes, all places are more, but Michigan is more expensive than any other public university out of state.

I'll encourage my kids to take their chances in the University of California system.


05/17/2018 - 3:42pm +1, but would add...

I really like Aruba which I have visited twice. I have also been to Cuba (incredible beaches), Curacao (nice water, good but beaches full of shells), Barbados, St Kitts, Puerto Rico, the DR, and St Maarten.

When I was in Aruba, someone told me if you really like this place's beaches, you need to go to Anguilla. Was he right. Anguilla has the clearest, bluest water beaches of anywhere in the Caribbean. You fly to St Maarten and take the ferry over from there.

So if you want quiet, not a lot of activity, but gourmet food and the best beaches anywhere, head to Anguilla. It's a well kept secret among the jet set who fly in on their private jets. If you like really nice beaches, with lots of other things to do, and an "Americanized"/ non third world experience, go to Aruba. 

As for the Pacific, Moorea in Tahiti is super nice, but pricey. Cook Islands (Rarotonga) is very nice too, at about 1/4 the cost.

05/06/2018 - 1:19am Having lived in both places

Born and raised in STL, spent the last 20 years in SoCal.

Even as a huge Cardinals fan, I think you're crazy to want to live in STL over SoCal.

The exodus is primarily one way. Tons of Midwesterners in my neighborhood and city. Growing up, and even now, there's hardly anyone I met in STL that moved there from SoCal, lower state taxes and housing costs and all.

Pujols can (and probably did) make a lot more in endorsements in SoCal than could ever be made with the cost of living difference.

Cardinals made a good decision in not signing him. One could make the argument that Yadi is much more important to the team and especially its pitching staff now than Pujols.

05/02/2018 - 11:18am Anyone else remember

Lining up at 6AM at Dooley's on St Patty's Day for green beer? That was also the only bar that let people in during freshmen orientation as I can recall.

My vote is for the Blind Pig followed by seeing live music at Rick's.

04/30/2018 - 12:23am Been to two Rose Bowls

First in 1989 vs USC as a senior and the second in 2005 vs Texas. Won the first, lost the second, but it was an unreal game. 

Also been to the stadium a number of times for UCLA games (once vs Michigan in 2000) and a U2 concert. The stadium itself is in a nice setting, but is not that special. It is also brutal traffic wise to get in an out of the stadium as it is set in a residential zone. UCLA games in general are meh...

Best memory is Rodney Peete picked off in the final minutes of the 1989 game to seal the victory.

As for not liking LA, I used to make fun of the place. Now that I have lived here for 20 years, there are few other places I would live. We live in a beach town that has a small town atmosphere. Yes, the traffic sucks and cost of living is high, but the weather is great, the population is diverse, people are mostly in a good mood, and the economic opportunity is very good. If you can get around the warts of the city (traffic, overdevelopment, and high costs), it is a great place to live. 

04/27/2018 - 6:13pm This is like...

General Lee surrendering with the rebels at Appomattox a second time!

04/25/2018 - 11:33am I've been to a bunch

Including Grand Canyon (multiple times; it still fascinates me), Zion, Yosemite, Great Smoky Mountain, Acadia, Joshua Tree, Hawaii Volcanoes (very cool), Haleakala, Petrified Forest, Glacier Bay, Saguaro, and Sequoia. Sometimes, the visits are like the Grand Canyon scene in Vacation, and others are longer.

Glacier in Montana is for me the most beautiful. The scenery is stunning.

We hit both Glacier and Banff/Lake Louise/Jasper on the same trip. If you haven't been, make it a priority.

03/08/2018 - 7:41pm Is there a possibility

That a Coca Cola bottle top promotion will pull Toys R Us away from the abyss?

02/27/2018 - 11:44am For the most part, their achievement level depends on the kid

I am the father of two girls, one 15 and the other 11. They couldn't be any more different. The oldest is straight A's (just got her first B+ in Honors Chem--oh, the horror) and she is more feminine, yet she plays lacrosse. Learning comes easy for her yet she also puts in the hard work and hours. The other is definitely a tomboy who loves sports, takes it to the boys on the field and court, yet isn't as good of a student because she is lazy in school. She though will likely make the good money since she is an incredible salesperson at age 11 who questions authority, which I think is a bit healthy.

I'm kind of glad the tables have turned. I went all the way through Scouts, went to a rigorous all boys prep school with lots of athletics (was extremely well prepared for Michigan), and did 4 years in a frat at U of M. Hyper male environments. And I'm heavily involved in politics as a three time elected official. But I look at my daughters and their relationships with friends and spirit of cooperation and feel I missed out on some of this growing up.

I think we need more women in leadership roles to change our ways of thinking in this country, if for no other reason that many other countries have a higher percentage of women in politics and corporate leadership, etc. Not that I think that women will necessarily do a better job, but we should give it a shot, and let everyone see that women can screw the world up just as easily as men do.

02/12/2018 - 2:30pm I agree with the core mission of in state first

Michigan is a heavily out of state institution. One of the great things about this is that you have alumni, from out of state, returning home and going all around the planet which does help in the job market and alumni network. The goal is to attract people from around the country to attend, and if it is only the super rich, then you won't have too much family tradition.

It's not true that only Michiganders support the university through revenues. The federal government gave the university $960 million / year in 2017-18.

I agree about in state and the admission standards reflect this. In California, it is super difficult to be admitted even in state. Kids have 4.3 GPAs and good SAT scores and are not getting admitted. At least if you do get it, like Michigan, in state, it is reasonable.

But again, what are they doing with such a huge endowment if they aren't using a good chunk to reduce all tuition, both in state and out of state?


02/12/2018 - 2:08pm I don't have any issues with where the endowment fund invests

What I do have an issue with is how little goes to reducing tuition for current students, especially out of staters.

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with Trump on this (I almost never agree with him on anything).

When I started in 1985, out of state tuition was $5,500 and ended at $7,500 in 1989. It is now $47,476.  That's more than Stanford's tuition. Think about that. Michigan has become a private school, that pretty much only the rich can pay for out of state. I only know of one person who got a decent tuition break as an out of stater.

Why can't they hold tuition increases, or at least use the returns off the endowment, to give generous tuition breaks? The administration has always been tone deaf. I'm embarassed that the university has become some elitist.

My high school sophomore will either stay in state in California, at Berkeley, UCLA, UCSB, UCI, UCSD, or Davis. Or she will look at a private school that gives much better financial aid packages. I'm not spending $62K/year for a Michigan degree, which is the same price as Stanford, unless she wants to pick up the difference with loans. Sorry.


02/01/2018 - 6:44pm Joey

"Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?"

02/01/2018 - 6:41pm Internal Affairs

I always thought that Richard Gere was just a lame actor for chick flicks like Pretty Woman and American Gigolo.

Then I watched him as a manipulative super corrupt LA cop in Internal Affairs and realized he's much better in evil roles than he is as a good guy.

That movie came out 28 years ago, but I remember having nightmares for a week after.

01/27/2018 - 8:53pm You're missing the point

We should be equaling Ohio's intensity and game calling, and we are not.

01/27/2018 - 12:17pm What games are you watching?

The team each year towards the end of the season gets worse and worse (bowl game versus Florida the exception) so I don't think it is wrong to ask for changes on the staff after waiting three years. I know people preach patience, but I'm already tired of watching 9-4 or 8-5 football. "Whiny bitches" or not, I think people are too accepting and make too many excuses. Fer God sakes, we have won 1 out of the last 14 games vs Ohio. Purdue has won more games vs Ohio in that time period than we have. We haven't won an outright B1G Championship in 15 years. Is that whiny bitches? 

The playcalling is atrocious and there is no progression in the quality of O line play. End of story. Look at our defense and tell me good coaching doesn't matter with young players.

Bo didn't accept mediocrity and neither should we. And knowing how competitive Harbaugh is, I'm sure this is eating him up.

I love Harbaugh, and I was really excited when he came, but at $9M/year, there are expectations that go along with that salary and an investment of our time in Michigan football.

11/30/2017 - 2:16pm Wow

That's a surprise, surprise, surprise!

11/30/2017 - 10:34am Just like Sony Pictures

Posting a pic of Kim Jong Un in Tennessee orange is inviting the North Koreans to hack his Twitter account. That should be entertaining.

11/16/2017 - 10:36am Lighten up, Francis

I love the idea that people think he's crazy. Most geniuses are to some degree. And it puts us on the radar map with recruits and news coverage. I can't prove this, but I would suspect that personalities like this help in the number of applications from prospective students--kids work that way, and they want to be a part of something that is trending. How often did we make the news on ESPN under Lloyd Carr? Otherwise, we are just your traditional, run of the mill, traditional college football Midwestern school and that's kind of boring. People eat this stuff up.

11/12/2017 - 12:14pm I got news for you

I used to go to Camp Randall a lot. I went in 1986 during Harbaugh's last game there. It was and still is the loudest atmosphere I have ever been in. Outnumbered, I nearly got in to several fights wearing Michigan gear, including a punch straight to the gut. The drunken atmosphere with students tearing up the bleachers has been around a long time, not just since the early 2000s. It is Wisconsin, after all.

That being said, it's still a fun place to be.

11/11/2017 - 11:59am Well, considering Stanford beat UW

We are off to a good start already.

11/06/2017 - 3:59pm How about sending some kids to Texas A&M?

In state tuition is about $10K/year at A&M.

How about sending 10 kids to a school that they can't afford instead of blowing this on the rights to make a reservation at a hotel?

I'm a capitalist, but people not knowing how to do something good for society with their money says alot about us these days.

10/20/2017 - 11:19am Last time I checked

It rains on both sides of the field, home and visitor.

10/16/2017 - 12:01pm Not 7 minute prison abs!

If you're not happy with the first 6 minute prison abs, we're gonna send you the extra minute free. You see? That's it. That's our motto. That's where we're comin' from. That's from "A" to "B"

09/16/2017 - 4:35pm Scott Frost

I knew it would only be a matter of time for Riley to mess it up, even worse than Pellini. He did next to nothing at Oregon State.

Frost, even after only one year at UCF, will be it, likely at the end of the season. And he will be perfect for that place. 

08/02/2017 - 1:08pm I would imagine

It is so they can sell luxury boxes/suites. Between the Lakers, Kings, and concerts, it is pretty full.

They really don't NEED it, but it's all about the $$$.

08/01/2017 - 6:01pm I was in ATL in 1996 and now live in LA

I went to at least a dozen events in '96. It was hardly a blast. I enjoyed the competition, but the number of street vendors made the whole thing look hokey. Then the opening ceremony with the redneck pickup truck thing was embarrassing, especially after Barcelona put on quite a show. The final straw was the horrible transportation situation. Buses brought athletes late to events which is excusable. Not to mention that MARTA (subway) was a joke with all the delays. Traffic though was never better those two weeks.

Regarding LA, it's uniquely positioned to host a very good Olympics. I read today that the Clippers are looking at building an arena next to the NFL Stadium, plus you have Staples, the Coliseum, StubHub Center, Rose Bowl, a new soccer stadium, and The Galen Center. We just passed Measure M for improving roads and subways, and Measure H to work on the growing homeless issue. We are already improving LAX with spending billions there (it desperately needs it). They won't be building an athlete's village (using dorms at UCLA and/or USC?). It's really a question of building temporary facilities for swimming, cycling, etc. And you know the TV audience will tune in.

The only major thing that could go wrong is a massive earthquake to destroy facilities. I think all the preparation brings more gifts to the city than the actual events.

03/28/2017 - 11:58am 1978 Toyota Celica

The cars in the late 1970s and early-mid 1980s were bad, and I mean really bad.

First car I owned I found out the guy who sold me it rolled back the miles. He ended up buying me my first car after my dad put the screws to him.

Then with that money, I bought a Dodge Omni 024. The car was so bad, the carburetor wasn't even bolted on to the car.

The worst mistake though was a 1978 Toyota Celica. 10 days after buying it, the engine lost compression so it needed 2 months of work replacing everything. Then the clutch went out. Horrible car, but I still liked it for some reason.

I drive a 2013 Chevy Volt. Not a GM guy but it's the best car I've ever owned, hands down.

03/28/2017 - 10:56am Graduation was the biggest letdown of my time at Michigan

For what was supposed to be one of the highlights of my 4 years, graduation sucked.

The speaker was University President James "The Dude" Duderstadt. The University came up with the lame excuse that it is customary for the President in his or her first year to be the guest speaker (still dont know if this is true). Duderstadt was one boring individual and I wouldn't want to hear him in any venue, more or less at the end of my 4 year college experience. The previous years' speakers included Mike Wallace, Marshall Shulman (foreign policy expert) and Javier Perez de Cuellar (UN Sec-General)...and we got The Dude. (not The Dude from the Big Lebowski either).

(On a side note, our local high school had Bill Clinton come and speak 4 years ago. His nephew was graduating, and he gave a great speech.)

Then, there was the equally lame, "Will the entire LSA Class of 1989" please stand up? Other big schools, including Wisconsin, would award the diplomas by calling your name. Yes, there are lots of names, but they could divide it up alphabetically. Lots of time and cash invested and they don't even read your name.

The final straw for me personally was many of my friends had either graduated the year or semester before, or were in the B School's separate graduation, so I went to graduation pretty much by myself and latched on to a few other people I knew. That sucked.

Graduation from my MBA program at Minnesota was much better.

The very best Commencement speech was Art Buchwald's. He stood up and said, "As you can see, we're leaving you a pretty perfect world. Don't screw it up." and then sat down.

02/26/2017 - 11:20am Burton Tower was the University's first big erection

I too recall Regent Power jumping off the tower in 1987 during my sophomore year. I had a class the hour before at MLB, and walked by again later in the day after I heard the news. There were a number or memorial tributes at the site, but not much more than that was said.

11/26/2016 - 6:06pm Ad revenue alone won't solve it

I work in the CDN (content delivery network) space. Throw more servers at it and that's not the right solution. You need to geographically spread out the load so that everyone isnt trying to access the same way. When you go to, the background of the site is served off of servers in a central location or two, and the images and database are sitting at the far ends of the Internet, in hundreds or thousands of locations. Content is mirrored (replicated). 

Think of it as a restaurant. Sure, you can build a bigger kitchen to serve everyone, but if people can't get into the parking lot to begin with, then who cares if you have a bigger kitchen?

The solution is dynamic web acceleration. Amazon Web Services does it cheaply, and so do other CDNs.


11/26/2016 - 5:13pm This is what CDNs are for

Offload the images and database to sit on a CDN and the site background on a cloud server(s). It's what every major (and many minor) sites do. And no, it's not expensive.

11/13/2016 - 1:01am Our SOS should be better than Clemson

Yes, they beat Louisville at home, but they haven't beaten another current Top 10 team. A win over Auburn, which just lost and is 7-3. FSU at 5-3? Nearly losing to NC State? Losing to Pitt at home? Our SOS includes wins over Top 10 Colorado, Wisconsin, and Penn State and a last second loss to a mediocre Iowa team, but on the road. So our loss is better than theirs today.  But Clemson's win over Louisville is more impressive I think. Who knows for sure?

I see it as:

1) Bama

2) OSU

3) Clemson (interchangeable at 4)

4) Louisville (lost H2H to Clemson)

5) Michigan

6) Washington

7) Wisconsin

8) Penn State

9) Colorado (only losses to Michigan and USC, a very good team)

10) Oklahoma 

10/05/2016 - 10:53am Hawkins coming to Michigan

09/30/2016 - 12:48pm Spent a lot of time in Madtown

I had a girlfriend as an undergrad who went to UW. (it was also my safety school) I must have visited that place 20+ times, and lived in Madison afterwards for a couple of months. I nearly transferred after sophomore year because I had more fun there than I did in A2, and actually like their campus more because of the lakes and bars nearby on State Street.  I went to several parties at Camp Randall and football games broke out each time. In the end, I couldn't pull the trigger to transfer and glad I stayed for my UM degree.

My roommate and many friends in my MBA program at Minnesota were Badgers. Really great people, and as rabid and loyal fans as we are. I never noticed any inferiority complex or hatred from them, just respect, and they were all pretty bright people (minus my ex who looking back was not the sharpest tool in the shed).

I think they are my second favorite team in the B1G and I will root for them when we aren't playing. It's hard for me not to like them. Probably no other team I can say this about in our conference.

07/29/2016 - 7:02pm Nope

All I said was we just had the worst mass shooting in US history and people were talking about all other kinds of OT stuff, not even acknowledging it. I found that a bit peculiar, even for a "sports site" that talks about Flint water, what are you drinking tonight, favorite movies, etc.

If you consider that stupid, then so be it.

07/29/2016 - 6:09pm So I bring up the Orlando shooting on MGoBlog...

And people say "no politics" and "it's too soon to discuss" and "this is a sports blog..."

Yet this blog entry is fine.

It's politics, not sports related, but doesn't involve guns...

I don't get it.

07/11/2016 - 11:34pm Yes and no

In the past 5-10 years, there have been fewer spots in CA for in state kids. However, the UC system is adding another 10K kids into the enrollment, and there is a bill going through the State Senate prohibiting in state kids being rejected with the same credentials as out of state kids.

As for Michigan opening doors, I don't see it. Sure, it helped me in applying for grad school, but not any more than a UC degree from their first tier (the ones I mentioned), especially on the West Coast.

The bottom line is that if you went to an Ivy, or Stanford, or believe or not Notre Dame with one of the strongest alumni networks, than yes, where you went to undergrad may matter and help. It certainly though isn't "$120K more matters".

07/11/2016 - 5:45pm In state is a pretty limiting factor

Many of us live out of state. We live in Cali, and as an alum, as much as I would love for my kids to attend Michigan, why would I pay nearly 2X for 4 years to attend Michigan when they can attend Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, UCSB, Irvine, or Davis ($120K vs $240K)? 

For a school with as large of an endowment as Michigan, why can't they offset the high OOS tuition to keep it in check with other state schools?

From 2014 (it's worse now)…

06/18/2016 - 8:28pm Remember him from Rick's

I was standing next to him at Rick's which didn't have the highest ceiling to begin with. Wow, what a massive human being.

He is "down" to 425 lbs, and hopes to get to 330 lbs. Can you imagine the stress even 330 lbs puts on the body's knees, internal organs, etc.?

He probably needs to be down to at least 240-250 to be healthy.

06/18/2016 - 1:57pm Stanford Tuition = Michigan OOS

On a recent visit, it was surprising to learn that Stanford's tuition is the same as Michigan OOS. In fact, if your parents make under $125K/yr, Stanford is tuition free, and if they make under $65K, so is room and board.

Sure, Stanford is uber selective and has a $22B endowment, but why is Michigan $16K more per year OOS than another Big 10 school like Wisconsin? Michigan's endowment ($10.3B) is nearly 5x Wisconsin's so why aren't they spending some of the endowment on offsetting tuition increases?

06/18/2016 - 1:35pm How about the President's pay?

MSC was making $800K and in my opinion, didn't do a good job as an admin or keeping tuition costs in check.

At least Pres Shlissel earns his money as an excellent admin.

06/18/2016 - 1:32pm Michigan has always been the most expensive OOS university

When I was a freshman in '85, OOS tuition was $5,000. The only other state school that was comparable in price was Univ of Vermont.

Fast forward 30 years,  when all is said and done, it will be about $300K for my 13 yr old to attend with room and board. Since I have two daughters, the other 10, it would cost at least $600K to attend Michigan. And they would be in debt since I could only probably fund 40% of that.

Compare this to them staying in state at UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSB, UCSD, and UC Davis. Probably $150K. I could pay for everything for them, and for the same cost they could also get a nice down payment on a house and a car too. Which is the better deal to set them up for success?

I still root for Michigan, and got a great education there, but my connections from school really didn't do anything for me.

On another note, did anyone see Michael Moore's new movie, 'Where to Invade Next?" He goes to Slovenia to interview American students attending for free. They said the quality of the education was very good. You could also do the same in Germany, and there are a lot of classes taught in English.

Since my kids are dual citizens of Spain and the US, that's tempting for me.

06/15/2016 - 2:56am I've owned a lot of cars...maybe 14?

Including some with crazy stories (first car I bought had the miles on the odometer turned back and the seller ended up giving my money back and then bought my next car for me)

Best Car: 2013 Chevy Volt--Love, love, love this car. 95% of the time uses only electricity. Takes off like a rocket 0-30 mph. Used less than 100 gallons of gas in 3 years including several road trips. Has a ton of options and electronics. Pretty reliable, especially for a GM. One of the only cars I have bought coming off a lease and I got it for a steal.

Worst car: Tie

2003 VW Passat-- Horrible car. Brakes and rotors went bad at 13K miles. Seat heater burned a hole in my a$$. Dealer changed my oil, yet didn't add in any oil and engine nearly fried until my oil light came on.

1979 Dodge Omni 024. Car was so bad, the carburetor wasn't even bolted on to the car. 0-60 in two days. Junk extraordinaire.

05/26/2016 - 10:38am Great minds think alike

I was going to post this after seeing this thread for the first time this morning, but you beat me to it. Classic scene. I follow SV religiously.

On a side note, timely thread. I'm going to ask my boss for a larger contribution to expenses today. I pay for all of my health insurance for me and my family, to the tune of $1100/month. I work for a German tech semi-start up. (we are going on 8 years in business, but the company is just starting to kick in with revenues.)

I make a decent base and commission as the guy who runs sales for North and South America, but I work as a 1099 by choice because of retirement and tax benefits (I have my own company that pays me as an employee). What I don't really get is health or dental and stock options. Being German, the company doesn't really get the whole employer contributes most of the insurance for its employees. 

I bring in a lot of business for the company so I'm hoping I have a leg to stand on, and my boss is a good guy who likes me.

Rule #1 as a business owner: Treat your sales guys/girls well.

05/18/2016 - 1:32pm Great video! Some things I noticed

I think it was late night when that game started. Was it an evening game for Honolulu time?

1) Man, video quality was horrible back then. Yes, I know this was encoded for YouTube, and video degrades over time. but how we put up with such poor quality to watch a game, I don't understand. Internet video, nevermind 1080p and 4K, is 10 x better now.

2) Styles were really cheesy then. And it is Bo, but love the hat he had on at the airport. That's total old school.

3) Our players look a lot bigger, and I mean, a lot bigger than Hawaii's. I'm thinking the difference these days would not be so great as training methods have progressed.

4) The barefoot punter from Hawaii stands out. I remember barefoot kickers like Tony Franklin who kicked 64 and 65 yd field goals in his day. With the advent of better shoes, you don't really see barefoot kickers and punters anymore.

5) The airplane in the video is a DC8 I believe. That doesn't match the flight schedule posted earlier in the thread which said it was a 747 on that route. Likely stock footage.

6) The Hawaiian cheerleader is still very cute by today's standards. Even if it was from 30 years ago. Most girls from that era looking back are not like I remember.