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05/10/2018 - 10:23am If this was Marinelli like

If this was Marinelli like year 3, you could take the people diving in defending Patricia on here and cut them in half at least. 

That's hard core sports fans.

A high high percentage of them should avoid times when social issues and sports are combined. And do it at all costs.

1997 was still the dark ages of sexual assault prosecutions if you were a victim. This happened in a very conservative and pro-male cultural state in Texas. In a tourist area where authorities would have further  incentive to look the other way. Yet the guy was indicted by a grand jury and for months the case progressed. Until the victim got cold feet about testifying. Again very common in 1997 given the social climate of the country. 

And if he was "anxious to prove his innocence" why did he apparently take no steps to do so by going after the girl who apparently falsely accused an innocent man. 

What he says on this deal is crap and meaningless. If he says anything but "it never happened" he risks his entire career. That's a pretty big incentive to gamble on a lie and hope the water doesn't pop open the dam.

The other really large issue here is wait until the grand jury and court file leaks. Or a friend of a friend of the victim comes forward and starts talking. Or the victim herself. It could happen at any moment.

And if you think the Lions are on top of all that, get real. They couldn't even bother to do a 30 second internet search to vet the guy in the first place. 

They are starting with the conclusion that they must defend the hire and the football czar who made the hire. Do you really honestly think that starting point is going to lead to a thorough deep investigation of this by the organization. 

04/16/2018 - 1:28pm If we are of the belief the

If we are of the belief the offense will return to at least 2015-16 levels, Michigan wins every game on the schedule but 2. "If" the turnovers are even or close to even in the other games.

So every game but the opener and the last one. It will take more than playing good enough and clean in those two games. 

That if is a big if in football though. Especially college football. 

I have a lot of respect for the ability of the coach at MSU in any game. Same with Wisconsin and Penn State. 

But Michigan will be more talented than all three teams with experience behind them after last year. 

***Got to have a serviceable quarterback who can hit open guys at least though.

04/09/2018 - 11:19pm Civil lawsuits on all this

Civil lawsuits on all this basically opens the spigot of information. It's pretty much limitless what a Plaintiff's lawyer can get through pre-trial discovery requests. Including depositions of the likes of Izzo. Or in the case of football: Dantonio. 

All out there in the public to be scrutinized. 

You see it in many cases where the criminal justice system is inadequate: civil lawsuits act as the next best thing for a victim. 

The most famous example being the OJ case.

 

 

 

04/09/2018 - 4:15pm MSU ptb and their fans have

MSU ptb and their fans have no interest in anything that upsets their own mythology about their 2 major sports. 

They'd like to appear to be doing the right thing but it's not a must. But they definitely want to maintain the above mythology.

If you start from that conclusion, all the moves we keep reading about make perfect sense.

Count me as someone who can't talk sports with MSU fans right now. Even if it's to rub it in about basketball. I am in disbelief when I talk to them that they can tolerate any of what is going on at a school they claim to rabidly support. I wouldn't be able to stomach the retention of any coach at Michigan who operated programs like their Big 2 did. 

04/08/2018 - 12:02pm He only has to connect with

He only has to connect with his audience to get the result needed. There are many many factors that go into this. People who don't coach a sport wouldn't understand this. 

The obvious come back is they didn't have a good year.

But coaching a sport  effectively has so little to do with creating Hoosier's pre game speech moments, it might as well not even be considered as even a scant part of the formula.

I don't think any of what is shown on the series says anything of value about Harbaugh's effectiveness as a football coach. 

04/05/2018 - 1:36pm People just want to whine.

People just want to whine. They don't want to deal in facts. They don't want to listen to any of over a dozen national experts who foresaw Michigan's problems in 2017 before one game was even played. For many reasons totally out of Harbaugh's control. They want to bring up shallow gripes about salary and this rival owning Harbaugh etc.

These threads are probably numbered in the hundreds since the Michigan State loss and there hasn't been one point of substance that gets into the global issues that put Michigan at 8-5 last year. Not one.

Out of all the whiners.

All those threads and zero actually added. 

The only people who are making those substantive points again and again are the people who are accused again and again by the whiners of being "apologists" or something like that. 

You'd think these people would dig in and research things like roster status, roster management, recruiting, practice time and it's effect on back up quarterbacks. The why? 

Not the whine. 

"He should have taken another tackle in his first full class." Valid criticism.

"Offensive Line can't block anybody." Besides being misleading, adds nothing to the issues of why it has struggled.

People are free to post what they want. But in the end they are just being babies when they post the same junk again and again.

 

 

 

04/05/2018 - 1:18pm Yes. Worth every penny. 
Next

Yes. Worth every penny. 

Next question.

04/02/2018 - 2:18pm That's the part I never got

That's the part I never got in how the school has handled this. They took the natural fire wall toady fans build around cult hero coaches like MD and Izzo and tossed gasoline all over it.

When you challenge OTL, you challenge a well regarded news team, the well regarded reporter in charge of the piece, and their legal counsel That counsel goes line by line of every story and clears each line before it ever sees the air.

If you are the University, you had better have a strong case that you are the victim of some conspiracy of "fake news" before you head down that path in any way. Because you invite more aggressive reporting in response. Worse is you probably don't have enough facts to know where the next bomb will go off.

If you think about it, we've seen that time and again from MSU during this affair. They don't have enough information because they haven't done their homework. They don't know where the land mines are hidden. But they still charge in with chest out issuing blanket denials and launching baseless counterattacks.

It might make their fans feel good, but it's a very dangerous legal and public relations strategy. 

03/30/2018 - 6:17pm The G League will be a great

The G League will be a great alternative not so much because of the money. But because college, right or wrong has lost it's mojo as a meaningful prepatory experience for NBA basketball. 

I think people who are arguing the opposite underestimate how much the NBA has put behind this in terms resources. And also way overrate the quality of play in college. I dislike the NBA as a viewing experience, but there is no doubt the players are on another planet skills wise. It's a way bigger gap than any of the other major sports

The NBA is doing it not as a money making venture, but because they are tired of the product colleges are sending them. If top players know they'll improve their games for the pros on par with going to college, they'll almost always skip college. 

03/20/2018 - 5:45pm Whomever can land a superstar

Whomever can land a superstar who is top 5 to 7 in the league at worst is your GM hire. That's the only path to a title in today's NBA. 

Yes the 04 Pistons are an example of a team. But also an example of a team which won before the defense rules changed outlawing hands to the body while playing perimeter defense. The game opened up for the elite stars after that change. If that rule had been in place at that time, that Pistons' team was the equivalent of the current Celtics or Raptors.

A bunch of well coached B level players who would have fallen short. 

03/19/2018 - 5:03am With traffic and people

With traffic and people having to work, expect a scattered crowd in the building for a good chunk of this game. Maybe that will help the team play looser.

03/17/2018 - 9:57am Stanford was as bad as it

Stanford was as bad as it gets back then and USC was months removed from those unbelievable Bush, Leinart teams.  A football factory without peer nationally. 

40 plus point underdogs.

03/15/2018 - 11:48am When our main argument

When our main argument against talking about any topic of interest with ramifications beyond sports, is that this is a holiday because of some sporting event, we should be checking under the hood. And maybe look at balancing out our hobbies and interests. 

03/15/2018 - 5:49am Jumped the shark. Big time.

Jumped the shark. Big time. Clearly a dufus in his personal life too. 

03/14/2018 - 9:27pm College basketball has never

College basketball has never been in more trouble. This FBI investigation is proof. The tournamant is a masking agent for reality. But positive change might be just around corner.

The blue bloods and many big name programs are obviously engaged in systematic, well-orchestrated cheating to get the NBA ready guys to pick their school for a year. It's an arms race only a few schools can participate in.

There are hundreds of other schools like Michigan who won't or can't. 

So when one and done is gone and the NBA has a competing developmental league, the market for these players is likely to dry up among college programs. Basically the only players choosing college will be those who actually want what college is supposed to be offering.

Moreso than the promise of getting more ready for the pros.

Then the colleges will be competing against each other in recruiting on a whole different set of criteria. It should bring more parity and better recruiting if you have an elite academic school.

The last hurrah of the phonies like Izzo, Coach K., Pitino and Roy Williams might be at hand.

 

 

03/05/2018 - 4:38pm  "It is like everything Izzo

 "It is like everything Izzo thought he was and was going to be remembered for has kind of gone up in smoke in 24 months."

 

Good observation. Image is such a big deal to him and their fans. The whole situation presents a cruel choice.  The best way for them to rescue the school's image to outsiders is to cut bait with probably the most significant figure in their school's history. By doing that they reclaim dignity and end up making the choice where sports finally took a backseat. 

The guy who made the school national. It was a yearly Mr. March watch by CBS and the media from 2000 to 2010. They'll argue anything to keep that image alive, but no one outside of the fan base is buying it any more. 

I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he got caught up in program/image over good judgment. In a way similar to Paterno.  He believes his own BS right down to the overdone "yooper" voice cadence he breaks out in interviews every now and again. Like Joe with the coke bottle glasses and his pot shots at "renegade" programs like Miami and Oklahoma.

The fact that, outside of MSU fans, very few people still buy that BS or the myth probably torments the guy beyond words. 

 
03/05/2018 - 12:07pm Maybe, maybe not. But I have

Maybe, maybe not. But I have serious doubts Izzo returns. I've heard for years he was looking to end it. His team is going to be less talented next year. There is probably no upside to sticking around as far as competitive results. 

I am not sure what the ESPN/FBI thing does to his thought processes.

I think he wishes he would have left before it happened. Now he looks like he is pulling a Hollis if he bolts. 

You know he wants to restore his legacy and have a great team to go out on. 

03/05/2018 - 12:00pm I can't find a Michigan State

I can't find a Michigan State fan anywhere on line right now wanting to talk basketball. No fan base in internet history trolls and smack talks after wins like they do.

What a boring bunch. And this is hitting new levels of boring by them.

03/03/2018 - 7:51am You make a great point and I

You make a great point and I think what you are seeing is Jim adjusting the sails as he goes along on the way he is recruiting.

Michigan is different. The demands are different. The resources and freedom on the academic side are different. 

The backbone of the program the way Jim is constructing it will be the kind of talent who also wants what Michigan offers on all fronts. A recruit who sees the difference.

Remember Jim said he was rusty on the recruiting when he first took over.

Depending on how it plays out, this 2018 class will prove to be either proof that Jim won't be an effective/competitive recruiter, or it will be a pivot point for how he recruits going forward and give Michigan an actual edge.

I think people are way too hung up on star ratings and way too quick to judge. And in so doing they greatly discount the importance of a program having continuity where you have kids on campus for 4 or 5 years developing within that continuity.

03/02/2018 - 5:34pm love the $....

love the $....

02/27/2018 - 10:27am I also think the focus on

I also think the focus on whether Izzo, Roy Williams, K, Dantonio or any other coach stays employed is totally misplaced focus. 

The universities are going to do what they do in each case. When they make certain choices to double down on this coach or that coach, they suffer consequences in reputation that will live on for year's past whatever coaches' tenure.

That's the real penalty even while keeping the coach. A university reveals itself or what it is and everyone outside of sports fans thinks it's a perversion of priorities. 

Beilein has played Dr. "Survivors" to a draw for nearly a decade. A bounce here and there and Dantonio has dropped 3 straight to Michigan. Let them stay. Let them go. Whatever..... But these schools and college basketball particularly needs to be cleaned up. 

02/27/2018 - 9:56am The FBI investigation, which

The FBI investigation, which we still haven't seen in full because it's ongoing, paints a graphic picture. 

Anyone doubting there are secretive systems in place on behalf of many big name coaches to compete for and keep players in your program with benefits to the player's family, is choosing not to see what that investigation is doing. The FBI is looking at an issue the NCAA wouldn't or couldn't and forcing the NCAA's hand to do real investigations and issue real penalties. The pressure will come from the schools who aren't being named.

We can parcel out Izzo's weaker recruiting classes all we want and say that's evidence of him being clean. We can also note that without a horse like Bridges or Gary Harris recently, his teams are outgunned against everyone else grabbing all the elite talent. So therein is his motivation.

The FBI deal right now is only a current and very limited snapshot. It's not yet completed. Whether they are finding "crimes" in the penal code sense means less than the fact that there is now light on how big time college basketball operates. It's not going to let the story be told by phony BS coaches like Coach K and Roy Williams and their lecture tour lingo about hard work and character. 

It's the beginning of what hopefully will be a cleansing and an evening of the playing field. 

People saying Bridge's paying $40 made this all stop are as full of it as people claiming Izzo was aware of people writing a specific check for a specific recruit. There is a truth somewhere in the middle that is yet to be revealed. Not just about him, but all these rock star coach types.

If you would rather not read, go watch "Blue Chips" with Nick Nolte. Check out how the top recruits suddenly start flowing to his school in one class. The coach knows it can be done, is glad it's done, and is kept just clear of the details so he can play dumb to his fans. 

It's a movie, but that's what the FBI is unraveling.

 

02/26/2018 - 9:56am Don't kid yourself, it's

Don't kid yourself, it's basically how everyone but your fan base sees your 2 major sports right now.

But we'll wait for that conspiracy to be uncovered how the media is in cahoots to get your program. And we'll all eat our words. 

02/25/2018 - 7:07pm Everyone at this point knows

Everyone at this point knows what their big two programs are and have been about for the last decade. Only ones who will never be convinced of reality and will cotinue to deny the mess are their fans.

They live an existence in the mental cloud of denial willing to let the school do a slow burn to keep the hero worship of two clowns going unabated. 

And by so doing, keep making the school look even worse yet. 

A little more hardware picked up by the ring leader of the basketball side of the syndicate isn't going to change any outsider's mind. That story is written for posterity absent a miracle conspiracy involving investigative reporters, victims, and witnesses. 

 

02/25/2018 - 12:07pm I heard him yesterday. lol.

I heard him yesterday. lol. Coaches are never accountable in his world.

That's why you know things are bad at Michigan State. When a few weeks ago during a game in EL, he didn't jump to Izzo's defense and then called for a "full investigation".

When Vitale won't go to bat for you  as a coach no evidence needed, you are in uncharted territory of corruption.

02/25/2018 - 9:44am I think what were seeing with

I think what we're seeing with many of the longstanding "blue blood" programs is they've passed the "he does things the right way" phase and are in the "act like it's no big deal and accept any explanation that passes the smell test with my toady fans" phase. 

They'll keep the "outright denial, this is a witch hunt" phase in their back pocket if things really blow up. Like at Michigan State. 

If it doesn't blow up, they'll swing back into the mythical "he does things the right way" when everyone's memories are too dull to call BS. 

Dirty sport with big name coaches presiding over dirty well oiled systems of player procurement. All protected by a fire wall of sports addicted fans.

02/24/2018 - 6:54pm Why not play them? Worth the

Why not play them? Worth the risk as you've already been playing an ineligible player anyways. So you can't claim any ethical high ground by sitting him now. And he might eventually get cleared. 

Sit him and you're dead meat as far as winning anything going forward.

02/22/2018 - 11:57pm The school and their fans

The school and their fans look foolish. Nobody is being convinced.

Whether or not either or both of those clowns come back is beside the point. The point is entire University with no self respect dragging itself deeper into the mud over two sports coaches. 

The chances this is a hit job by the media are zero. The chances more things won't come out as more digging is done and more victims smell an opportunity for revenge are also zero.

The entire affair is sad and cautionary to other schools. 

02/22/2018 - 1:43pm Remember the timing there

Remember the timing there too. Those were two monster recruits, especially Appling. Whom I believe was Mr. Basketball or runner up. Izzo had just gotten to his 8th Final Four in a dozen years. I doubt he lost more than a time or two to Michigan the previous decade. The 2009 team had been celebrated as "bringing back Detroit" in that Final Four. Then in that summer of 2010, he spent around 3 weeks flirting with the Cavaliers' job. Basically waiting on Lebron's decision. Prompting MSU fans to rally for him to stay outside the basketball arena.During the summer no less.

That is some powerful mojo for a guy at the apex of his powers. And very powerful reasons to make bad things go away without examination.

We saw the danger similarly with Paterno when your adulation becomes cultish and make a man bigger than the institution. The pressure on men in those positions is immense to live up to an image. It's easier to do the minimum and steer clear of bad press rather than do the right thing. A lower standard than if the abused was their loved one. 

02/22/2018 - 12:14pm "Told ya....Tom and Mark dint

"Told ya....Tom and Mark dint know nuttin"...... "What else ya expect em to do?" MSU fan response to whatever new reports come out

Not hard to figure out why both guys went into hide and duck mode immediately. If I had a job making 7 figures plus, a cult of personality worship among tens of thousands of people, unlimited power without ever having to take any blame..... jeesh,  someone coming in wrecking my good time with legitimate questions about my motives and judgment would scare the hell out of me too.

02/21/2018 - 6:07pm The school is writing it's

The school is writing it's legacy going forward right now with how they are handling this. 

When they shielded those two coaches and let everything move forward business as usual, they condemned the school for a very long time in the eyes of the world

This article changes nothing on that front. It only makes the defenses MSU sports fans will cook up even more creative/desperate. 

02/21/2018 - 11:23am Knocking Ohio State's defense

Knocking Ohio State's defense all over the field the last couple years, proves that kind of offense will only work against super talented defenses with elite talent. Great point.

02/21/2018 - 5:07am What the hell has Wisconsin

What the hell has Wisconsin been doing for the last decade plus?  Michigan State?

I'd like everyone obsessing over rankings to go check out Wisconsin's ranking in the Big Ten in recruiting on average the last decade. It's probably not upper half in the conference. Michigan State is almost always outside the top 20 nationally.

We have two top 5 recruiting classes in a row and go 8-5. 

How about we get a program first and see what we become when were not relying stripped down upper classes left from another coach who failed his last couple years?

 

02/20/2018 - 10:00pm The behavior you see makes perfect sense considering the place

All this would be handled so much differently if it happened at Michigan.  That would be by necessity. 

MSU gets a lot of protective cover from the media and has no academic, social, or cultural tradition near as well regarded to live up to. They can be the sports factory and since that's all anyone really expects, they can be that with minimal outrage. 

To a great many people who associate themselves with MSU as alumni, the last few years success in two major sports IS the tradition. 

I am a State graduate and the place wasn't known for much as recently as the late 90s. I always struggled to give it identity when I'd talk about it in professional circles. And I was there 6 years. I knew it inside and out.  There was nothing inherently special about it and you never got the sense that mattered to anyone to create something special.

I guess if those two clowns had been so integral in creating your only actual identity, you might also behave transparently callous to protect them. You wouldn't understand the optics the rest of the world sees. You'd have tunnel vision and could easily con yourself it's all a big made up lie by investigative reporters with an agenda. 

Save those two and the narrative surrounding their tenures, save the school. It's warped. 

And the rest of the world has moved on throwing them on the Baylor pile. Moreso with each day of PR firms, and two coaches ducking answering obvious questions.

But that's all OK because to many many people who should know better, a few sports wins in the internet era all the identity the place has. 

 

02/19/2018 - 12:09pm It's early but I'm fine with

It's early but I'm fine with recruiting wars with Stanford. 

Well run  and coached outfit with continuity, consistent results every year, winning identity, with great academics. 

Not going to win them all.  

70 degree weather basically year round in a world wide business hub. Super pricey tuition as well.

Let's get guys on campus, develop them in and get some continuity. Not get too excited about any one recruit. 

02/16/2018 - 9:55pm  
Someone sent me a pod of

 

Someone sent me a pod of one of his rants this week. It was to be expected. And it did nothing to improve the larger situation for his favorite school. 

His whole show rests on the myth of MSU and how he could rile up Michigan fans using that myth. 

MIchigan fans who are smart are getting a wake up with all this.  A reminder that the differences between the two places are vast. And that a few years of bad coaches followed by a smattering of bad luck on a football field mean very little in the grand scheme of what's important. 

Michigan fans taking MSU's sports success less seriously is a huge threat to the fundamental con of his show. He's fighting his butt off to keep the myth alive. Not unlike their administration. 

02/16/2018 - 1:23pm ESPN running this story at

ESPN running this story at the top of their stories list sure has the feel of a baiting of the hook.

02/16/2018 - 9:43am The easiest way to both save

The easiest way to both save the school's reputation and save the hides of the coaches is to start to get real. Admit bad choices were made and that leadership in several athletic programs failed.

What we have here with Engler's statement, Dantonio's denial, Izzo's pot shots at ESPN and Hollis' odd letter is undisciplined flailing to prop up an image and salvage the past/present narrative. 

It might excite their sports fans. But it convinces no one else and further exposes a University culture driven by sports over safety.

History will treat the school and their coaches much kinder if they admit there were failures and simply own them 

ESPN clearly isn't going anywhere and when you egg them on, more stories are going to get published. 

02/15/2018 - 2:28pm I think it looks good. Love

I think it looks good. Love anything aimed right at my age range with reference to something classic 80s.

Another reason I like this blog.

I think it's pretty generation X heavy as far as users.

02/15/2018 - 1:03pm We all know about the rule change and

people need to stop giving ANY weight to how he behaves in press conferences. Instead listen to the podcast with his dad. He's full of life there talking all things Michigan, football, and coaching.

Like Bo, he recognizes the media for what it is and it is basically nothing anymore. The internet has rendered it obsolete and they are now fully agenda driven. Trying to hang on economically. Especially Detroit and state of Michigan msm.

Prop up and protect MSU to create a foil for the more popular school. Employ writers and personalities who troll the Michigan fan base to drive page views and clicks and comment section wars.

We all have opinions about the Michigan State situation currently. But if that ESPN report aired about Michigan football, if you think the media in Detroit and Michigan wouldn't be descending on Ann Arbor in a swarm with FOIA requests by the bundle, you are crazy. It happens at MSU and all we get from local msm are stories that originate as PR releases from the school. They have no interest in getting more facts on those two coaches. 

So Harbaugh gives them what people who do their job like that exactly what they deserve: robotically delivered filler. 

People have told me who have seen it first hand: if you think he's not enthusiastic about his job or the University, watch him recruit and watch the time and energy he pours into this.  

Ignore his behavior in the media. And besides weren't many of you also complaining about the theatrics with the satellite camps and overseas trips? You should like the more buttoned down version you think you are seeing.

02/15/2018 - 10:57am More smart people is good. I

More smart people is good. I like Harbaugh's offensive approach when it's got more experience and a functional or better quarterback. The first two years Michigan had both and the improvement was drastic from the Hoke cratering. Last year it didn't have either experience or a quarterback for 3/4 of the season.

Look at these offseason changes. Better recruiters brought in. Then a proven OC to also work directly with the WR. New S & C coach to address the apparent fizzling out in the 4th quarter in certain games.

Another year older all over the field plus a likely 5-star recruit QB with a record of production in the SEC.

On paper and in theory, very productive offseason. 

Team will go as far as the trench guys and QB will carry it. Like basically every other team.

02/13/2018 - 10:41pm In the end, MSU partisan

In the end, MSU partisan sports fans will buy whatever explanations are offered for why the two guys in charge weren't responsible. And the rest of the world won't buy them for a second. But the school will have proven where it's core values are in not cutting bait in the first place. 

It's reckless for MSU to defend the OTL cases like this because they will necessarily smear victims. Not to mention the unaccounted for unreported victims which are likely out there who will fight back against the school. 

I think the University will look back in 5 or 10 years and wished it would have honored both guys, paid their buyouts, and immediately admitted mistakes were made which are not acceptable. 

It's very poorly conceived and short term thinking to dig in like this over two sports coaches who aren't going to reclaim their images outside of the MSU community.

02/13/2018 - 11:10am Quit making up facts. Take

Quit making up facts. Take that show over to RCMB where it belongs.

02/12/2018 - 9:54am  
Leaving aside Nassar, which

 

Leaving aside Nassar, which sadly has become cover for the sports fans at the school to not talk about the assaults in their athletic programs.

Basically it's Baylor without the apparent urgency to do the obvious: get rid of the athletic leaders who allowed everything to happen. People down there didn't want to get rid of Art Briles either. All this is nothing new. Baylor school manned up and did what had to be done.

Dantonio took the "fake news" total denial route, followed by the media dodge. Izzo now throws "survivors" into his initial comments to the media when he is confronted by questions during one of his games or immediately after. It's the diffuse the bomb strategy.  He didn't do anything but care about President Simon's job until all this start bubbling to the surface with his program.

Two non-leaders dodging responsibility being given a free pass to be non-leaders by a fan base apparently made up of shallow thinkers with weak hearts. Right now I can't talk college sports with them and can't believe they care to. 

I know two people down there close enough to Hollis whom I trust, who told me he jumped immediately after he was confronted by the email from OTL a couple days before it was to go on the air. Reason the retirement happened so abruptly was if that story was out there when he did his resignation press conference, he could have said things in response to the story which messed up the stories Dantonio and Izzo were going to stick to. 

As for the rumor he told them they should leave to, haven't gotten verification of that. 

That will be a hard one to ever verify because no one but the three of them would likely ever know or mention it.

02/09/2018 - 3:47pm Brian's position had some

Brian's position had some merit. It was also extreme.  This coming year will tell whether there is a true inherent disease eating away at the football success aspect of the program.

The optimist will say it's too soon to judge considering the cratering of Hoke's last two classes (last year's upper classmen). The pessimist will say it's not and we should sound the alarm bell after last year. 

The only thing that matters is what Harbaugh knows about where it's at and what he's doing with regard to the issues. 

I am willing to bet this was a very young team, propping up a very weak and stripped down upper classes, playing without it's starting quarterback. With an unendiable factor of a coaching staff on the offensive side not handling those circumstances to the best of their ability. But a ceiling of 10 wins with the bowl no matter what the coaches did. 

But I could be way off.

02/09/2018 - 10:09am For what it's worth regarding

For what it's worth regarding Harbaugh, this class, and recruiting under Harbaugh in general: Things I've heard which I consider to be very reliable given the source.

 

--He LOVES this class and noted how not one guy ever behaved or indicated they were doing a Michigan football a favor by committing. I guess in the recruiting world it's fairly common to have at least a guy or two (or more) in any class who do project the opposite and even bring it to campus after signing. So it's reminicent of the type of players he stocked his program with at Stanford.

--He is uncompromising in his promise to the player and the parents that their child will get a great education and the expectations in that area will be high. He sells that prominently and is looking for that kind of kid who wants the same. The rigor of Michigan academics and the freedom for a player to choose his discipline track is something he sells actively. He also sells the academic support to help guarantee success. 

--The robotic type guy we think we see in press conferences or on the sideline since they changed the behavior rules,  is 180 out from the guy recruiting. His enthusiasm and passion for Michigan and the program being constructed leaves no doubt to recruits this is where his heart is. 

Offenses and schemes can be improved. More effective recruiters can be hired. Relationships with high schools can grow and deepen. But the type of foundation for something unique, successful, and lasting has been solidly laid.  

I don't want the thing blowing sideways again when Jim does leave, even say a decade or two down the road. Don't want it to lose it's way. 

We may have to accept the reality that certain recruits we'll never be in on no matter how much we win. And also know that in many cases, that's by design. 

 

02/09/2018 - 9:46am They should. And I take

They should. And I take comfort knowing Michigan would do the same in the situation. While it also would be searching for a new football coach and basketball coach. Or welcoming freshly hired ones. 

No one is bigger than the University. Ever. 

02/08/2018 - 3:59pm Couple

Couple observations:

 

--Outside of the post OSU "bitter" statement in 2016, same press conference as the rest. Really including the intro one which was basic vanilla. A high energy coach who is busy and wishing he was somewhere else accomplishing something more integral to his job. 

--Glad to see they are going overseas. Great for the players.  

--If signing of the stars was dropped this year to keep a lower profile with a less hyped class or because it was after a 5-loss season, it's probably good judgment. Or maybe it was because of the split nature of the class with the two signing days. 

--The speculation he isn't fully into his job is based on basically nothing. He's 24-7 from what I hear from people and we'd be shocked by the hours and intensity. He'll make the changes necessary. One thing not seen in the press conference is a stubborn, rigid thinker

 

02/08/2018 - 2:53pm  
Huh?
OK we've established

 

Huh?

OK we've established by this third request you don't have anything to rely on as authority for the above mess. But more mess.

I'll wait for Graham Couch or Lynn Henning to break the big professionally written version blowing the whole thing up and proving the pureness of both coaches. And wait. And wait.......

02/08/2018 - 1:56pm Hey great story of your

Hey great story of your version of the events. And we're still asking for a citation for your claims. I've heard all this stuff in your posts in some variation from Sparty sports nuts for over a week. It's all very dizzying throwing out a tornado of "facts" as they saw them reported, but when pressed to display some citation or any citation of some resource besides the message board ramblings of BurpmeIamaspartan or Izzofordictator247, it never happens. 

One thing all the OTL attackers have in common is I have yet to see one which correctly lays out the facts as they were presented in the ESPN story. Their carpet bomb strategy relies on the fact that no one has any time to go watch it over and over again or read the companion article so it's committed to deep memory.

So hit us with that citation(s) of that third party resource, so we can get busy changing our minds. Which I will gladly do.