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12/05/2018 - 2:11pm If you pay attention to…

If you pay attention to social media, a lot of trainers for 5* types are very vocal about 'letting guys do their thing without cuffing'...........translation, they don't want any parts of a structured, half-court offense that doesn't necessarily showcase their respective abilities to the NBA GMs/scout.

Put more succinctly, potential one and dones don't want coaching, they simply want a placeholder that allows them to best position themselves for the draft. Michigan is the polar opposite of that approach.

12/05/2018 - 2:08pm Realistically, for prospects…

Realistically, for prospects that aren't ball dominant, the NBA really looks for guys that have the combination of size/athleticism to defend and the ability to knock down a 3. I don't think Iggy necessarily checks those boxes at the NBA level despite his early returns on 3%. But if he continues to knock down the long ball at this clip a lot of questions regarding his projection will be answered.

Little on the other hand, certainly checks the boxes with respect to his physical profile and athletic abilities.

12/03/2018 - 11:16am As an avid Laker fan that…

As an avid Laker fan that watches nearly every game, I was definitely excited to see Wagner get some extended run yesterday. Caveats apply for garbage time, but his stroke from the perimeter looked legit with repeatable mechanics and he also attacked a closeout that created some space before he lost balance in the paint. Need to see him in real game action against legit comp (Suns are very, very bad) to really evaluate, but he looks like he can hold his own on the offensive end with continued development. Will definitely need to set much better screens, and if he can do that, it will create much more space for him to attack wild closeouts.

Defensively, a completely different story. The Suns gave the ball to Ayton on the block with Wagner matched  up on him, and to put it kindly, Ayton got to his spot as if Wagner wasn't even in the area as he scored a layup. Contrast that with Ayton's futile attempts at bullying Chandler in the post and then shooting wild midrange jumpers that clanked off the backboard once he realized that iso post offense simply wasn't a good idea against Tyson Chandler.

Unfortunately, I don't think Wagner is going to play very much for us. He's a considerable downgrade on the defensive end from McGee, and especially Chandler. McGee is the better offensive option and Chandler is the better defensive option. Barring injury, I don't think he gets more than mop-up duty in garbage time. Lakers are in win now mode and are surging, we're not looking to develop at this point............I can see him getting moved in a trade deadline deal or perhaps this Summer.

 

12/02/2018 - 1:50pm I had Iggy at #29 (9 spots…

I had Iggy at #29 (9 spots off five-star status) FWIW, but rankings from mainstream sites (and my own to a more limited extent) are based on NBA draft projection as opposed to college production exclusively.

You take a guy like Iggy, who isn't really projected to be a 1st rd pick by any of the experts, and compare him to a guy like Nassir Little of UNC for example. Iggy has certainly produced more than Little to date...……….but will that translate over to the NBA is the question?

There are real questions about Iggy's ability to finish at the NBA level against legit rim protection (bigs in college are horrid for the most part) because he doesn't get lift when finishing and he's not going to bully anyone in the league to create space off the dribble. His game is really predicated upon ambidextrous finishing and bully-ball driving to the paint. Those things don't appear likely to translate at this point. He's a good shooter so far in college, but his mechanics are less than ideal and hence question marks there too. And I think we all know it would be a challenge for him to defend perimeter players at the next level and he doesn't have quite the size to be a legit post defender. Essentially he's a guy with a lot of questions, doesn't quite have an NBA position, is old for his class, but yet he produces at a great clip.

Little is the opposite...……..doesn't produce nearly at Iggy's level yet, but he has the physical attributes to compete in the NBA in terms of explosion, strength, lateral movement. His handle is solid, although his acceleration is lacking, and he has decent shot mechanics. He has the look of a Gerald Wallace type that can check 3s and 4s while finishing at the rim and a solid defender/rebounder that will eventually be a decent floor-spacer from distance.

12/02/2018 - 12:40pm I get that, and even agree…

I get that, and even agree to a certain extent, but in this case Akins has the look of a top 100 prospect nationally when the time comes. A bit too early to start ranking 2021 kids realistically right now.

Frankly, the difference between most kids in the 30-100 range isn't all that great in terms of immediate impact. A guy like Brandon Johns is a perfect example of that. I had him in the mid 40s last year, while I would've had a guy like Livers in the mid 70s...……..but Livers' impact as a freshman is likely to be much greater than what Johns will accomplish.

12/02/2018 - 12:31pm Here's some more film of…

Here's some more film of Jaden I put together from May at EYBL Session III. You can see the full arsenal on display here vs elite competition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmmkifKmO5c

12/02/2018 - 12:25pm No clue at this point. The…

No clue at this point. The recruiting pool in December is vastly different from the recruiting pool in late March/early April, especially under Coach Beilein. Coach B doesn't typically play the waiting game as much as other schools, especially if a prospect isn't reciprocating strong interest. I suspect new targets will pop up in the 19 class once the season ends, hopefully in another F4 appearance.

10/22/2018 - 7:34am The staff views Zeb as an on…

The staff views Zeb as an on-ball guard (can be a traditional PG or moreso the Caris mold where he's not necessarily a traditional PG but facilitates the offense in half court sets). Coach Beilein prefers an interchangeable lineup with most players ranging between 6'4 and 6'8 with similar skillsets and positional flexibility. This falls in line with that, as Jackson is a legit 6'2-6'3 with good length and athleticism. Definitely has  prototype size for a point guard/lead guard.

10/19/2018 - 10:43am While I'm admittedly a Lonzo…

While I'm admittedly a Lonzo critic, his net impact on the court when considering playmaking, defense and rebounding more than compensates for any lack of outside shooting. By nearly any metric, Ball was the second best defender at the point guard spot and top 30 overall.............not among rookies, but the entire NBA.

The question for him as it relates to the Lakers is whether he's an ideal fit next to Lebron James? I think his shooting will increase moderately this year but we'll see how it shakes out.

 

10/19/2018 - 8:13am I'll chime in as an avid…

I'll chime in as an avid Laker fan, and obviously a vested interest in Moe and Stauskas.

Moe has a knee issue, he's been cleared for non-contact basketball activity. The expectation is that when healthy, he'll fight for backup center minutes because Zubac simply isn't able to switch on the perimeter at all and has not been very good offensively other than as a role man finisher off PnR dumpoffs. We're willing to trade spot-minute rim protection (Zubac) for 10-12 minutes of Moe's ability to space the floor on the offensive end........if he can be an adequate rebounder. Rebounding is the weakest point on the team for my Lakers, Kuzma at the backup C just isn't big enough to defend the paint.

By far the best NBA game I've ever seen from Nik. Knocking down shots, displayed good vision when attacking closeouts. He's never going to be a ball-dominant, combo-guard in the NBA........just lacks the acceleration to get any separation off the dribble. But if he can be a consistent shooter and attack closeouts with decent playmaking/passing then he will survive in the NBA and perhaps be a key bench player.

 

With regard to the NBA vs college game, its not even close for me. The NBA is FAR superior in all facets (actual basketball and entertainment value). College  basketball lacks athleticism in a very bad way (in relation to the NBA) and frankly its very difficult to watch at times because of zone defense and running tons of deliberate half-court sets that run deep into the clock. The speed of the game at the NBA level is just so much faster, the individual skillset and athletic ability of players in the league is just absurd.

If you're not a fan of ball-dominant stars then you will hate the NBA. If you're not a fan of methodical basketball then you'll likely gravitate less toward college.

09/28/2018 - 12:55pm Football recruiting is…

Football recruiting is obviously not my area of expertise, but wanted to convey that 2020 Michael Carmody is the brother of one-time 2018 Bball recruit Robby Carmody............currently on the Notre Dame hoops squad. I'm very tight with Robby's former trainer/AAU coaches and I'd be a bit surprised if Michael doesn't end up in South Bend to join his brother. But I guess stranger things have happened.

09/25/2018 - 2:56pm In all honesty, I've never…

In all honesty, I've never spoken with a prospect, his parents, or anyone within their respective camps and been expressly told that a complex system would preclude a kid from going to Michigan.

I have heard the typical "Michigan doesn't show enough love", "The system is boring", "They don't recruit good athletes" and the like as factors cited against Michigan during the recruiting process, but never complexity.

09/25/2018 - 1:14pm There is some truth to this…

There is some truth to this from a prospect's viewpoint. 5stars are typically looking for a place to showcase their respective talents as opposed to further development.

Development implies that one has a lot of work to do with his game in order to achieve the ultimate goal, the NBA. Showcasing implies that one will be put in a position to best sell his game to NBA GMs. I know that most will likely disagree, but its rather easy to see why one selling point resonates with top 20 prospects while the other may not.

09/25/2018 - 1:11pm I'm here. Not much I can do…

I'm here. Not much I can do about the decisions of 17-18 years olds, even if I don't like said decisions for personal reasons.

Texas has been strong throughout (selling KD comparison), Kentucky is the dream school (but no offer as of yet), Washington is close to home, SDSU is simply a filler to respect his brother (not a serious player though), UCLA is a tradition rich program.

Michigan didn't make the cut because he simply liked the other options more, really not much else to it.

If Stewart doesn't commit to Kentucky, then I'd expect Cal to offer McDaniels and him to accept shortly after.

09/11/2018 - 1:46pm Composite is sort of a joke…

Composite is sort of a joke in my opinion considering only 3 services are accounted for, particularly when the composite penalizes prospects that aren't in the top 150 for Rivals or top 100 for ESPN by assigning said prospects an arbitrary number (functional example is a 4star prospect that isn't in the top 100 for ESPN).

Bottom line is that outliers by any one of those services swing the composite too much to the extent that its value is severely compromised.

09/11/2018 - 12:48pm Really nothing new there…

Really nothing new there. Taking his time, no visits set up as of now.

08/10/2018 - 2:36pm No surprise here, I've been…

No surprise here, I've been hinting at this for a while now. From a basketball standpoint, I don't think he would've been a great fit despite his ability to score.

08/10/2018 - 12:03pm That's a lofty comparison…

That's a lofty comparison.........not quite ready to proclaim that just yet.

08/10/2018 - 11:22am Livers is realistically 6…

Livers is realistically 6'6ish rather than 6'7 or 6'8. Johns is a legit 6'7 and pushing 6'8, both are fairly well put-together from a muscle mass standpoint. We have yet to see Johns switch on the perimeter or defend the post at the B10 level so the jury is still out in that regard. Livers can certainly switch on the perimeter, though he's a bit undersized to wall-up in the post.

08/10/2018 - 11:19am THIS. I don't think people…

THIS. I don't think people realize Iggy isn't likely to be a knockdown shooter, although he does take a fair volume of 3s. He excels at penetration of the dribble and creating shots for others utilizing strength and above average ballhandling/vision for a player of his size.

The thing that likely prevents him from being a #1 option on offense is lack of first-step acceleration. Just don't think he has the ability to blow by defenders on a consistent basis just yet. That said, he's the perfect player for UM in that he's very likely to be a day 1 producer that doesn't draw heavy consideration from the NBA due to athletic limitations and so he may be around 3 years.

08/07/2018 - 10:54am I'll share this bit of…

I'll share this bit of information related to Coach Beilein - internally, everyone is very optimistic on Coach B's health and that this won't deter him from leading the basketball program moving forward. His full recovery is expected and Coach Beilein is very good about taking care of himself from a health perspective.

08/06/2018 - 4:49pm I like Bajema’s game, but…

I like Bajema’s game, but this clip isn’t very helpful from an evaluation standpoint. Not much defense/resistance at all. 

What we really need to see is Cole playing vs high level athletes/competition in a half court setting to measure where he’s at physically and from a skill standpoint. 

08/05/2018 - 1:22pm Again have to disagree. His…

Again have to disagree. His ability to leap did not decrease, but the space available in order for him to elevate decreased significantly when he arrived at UM.

 

in other words, Donnal only looked like a decent athlete when he had tons of space to get a running start. When forced to explode in tight spaces against legit competition, he simply wasn’t capable of doing it irrelevant of confidence or offensive complexity. 

All that to say comp level is often a determining factor in evaluation and ultimately projections. 

To illustrate this, Tim Hardsway Jr was a fine ‘run and jump’ athlete but he certainly didn’t have the quick twitch explosion of GR3 to elevate suddenly and in traffic.  

My apologies to the board for this side debate. This will be my final post on this particular topic.

 

08/05/2018 - 12:40pm Have to adamantly disagree…

Have to adamantly disagree here. A player’s handle, athleticism, shooting, lateral agility are all immensely impacted by competition level.

Again, I’ll use an example close to home to sort of illustrate this in context. Mark Donnal looked great in HS, running the floor, dunking at will, etc. At Michigan there were times it looked as if he couldn’t get more than a few inches off the ground and he was certainly one of the least athletic players in the B10.

Competition Level matters A LOT. It’s the precise reason that evaluation at any level is so difficult. In esssence my job is to project whether productivity will translate from one level to the next based on those aforementioned variables. 

08/05/2018 - 10:57am I think the issue with…

I think the issue with ranking players according to their current talent level is that it becomes impossible to account for competition level. For instance, Joe Girard averaged nearly 50 points per game (or something absurd) as a junior for Glen Falls. But there's no chance in hell he's the #1 prospect in the country. He's averaging 50 points per game because he's playing against the functional equivalent of air in upstate New York.

I do put a lot of weight in current productivity, but comp level has to be accounted for.

08/05/2018 - 10:31am Being lethal in a pick and…

Being lethal in a pick and roll often comes down to being a triple threat - going around the hard hedge and finishing at the rim, finding the roll man for dumpoffs or shooters on kickouts, or hitting the midrange jumper when the defense shows the drop coverage.

Trey Burke mastered it, Stauskas was very good, Levert accomplished 2 of 3 (couldn't hit the midrange jumper off the dribble).

08/05/2018 - 10:28am Hard to say without seeing…

Hard to say without seeing him against legit competition in HS/AAU.

08/05/2018 - 10:07am For me, rankings are the…

For me, rankings are the intersection of productivity, upside, skill, athleticism and measurements. How much weight you place on one variable often correlates with the other variables.

 

To put this in specific context I’ll use Jalen Wilson as an example. When he committed he was a 5star on nearly every site. When I gave my input and ranking a few eyebrows were raised. A lot of my eval/ranking on Wilson is based on the fact that he’s already physically developed/has a college ready frame, yet he is t very athletic. That translates to being close to maxed out physically. You combine that with an above average skill set (as opposed to good) and it generally equates to a guy with a high floor and low ceiling in college. 

Other prospects, such as Jaden McDaniels, are tapping on elite status in nearly every one of the aforementioned variables.......hence him being #1 in my rankings months ago when he was a 40-80 type to every other site. 

08/05/2018 - 9:16am The ball skills and…

The ball skills and potential as a secondary shot creator are the more enticing attributes IMO. That said, I believe his shooting will ultimately determine his effectiveness 

08/05/2018 - 9:09am My hot take......while I…

My hot take......while I think Jalen Wilson will produce more as a freshman and perhaps a sophomore, I think Bajema will ultimately be a better player at Michigan. 

08/04/2018 - 5:01pm As I’ve stated before, my…

As I’ve stated before, my opinion is not supreme to any poster here or anyone else for that matter. I simply have the advantage in terms of live viewings in volume. 

Based on those live viewings, I don’t necessarily think anyone from that group has #1 option on a very good college team because they all have obvious holes. Wilson lacks the athleticism and handle. Iggy lacks the acceleration and consistent shot off the dribble. Dave lacks size. 

That said I think Iggy and Dave have some real potential as #2 guys that are potent scorers and perhaps develop into 15ppg type players down the line with the ball in their hands an awful lot. 

The lack of an iso player is what killed us this year at times. When we couldn’t get clean looks via sets, the offense simply died because we didn’t have a “get him the ball and everyone else get out of the way” player.

 

08/04/2018 - 4:04pm Zeb Jackson is a guy that…

Zeb Jackson is a guy that caught my eye back in April that will no doubt be top 100 for me. He recently visited and is from the Toledo area. 

My interview with him

http://endlessmotor.net/2018/04/16/an-introduction-to-2020-pg-zeb-jackson-talented-floor-general-primed-to-blow-up-this-summer/

 

April highlights I put together on him

http://endlessmotor.net/2018/04/16/zeb-jackson-20-c2k-elite-storm-classic-highlights/

 

08/04/2018 - 4:00pm Great point. Guess it would…

Great point. Guess it would’ve been more helpful to put it in the specific context of D1 players as another poster above pointed out. 

For instance, Austin Davis is a below average athlete. 

08/04/2018 - 3:57pm Burke, Stauskas, LeVert and…

Burke, Stauskas, LeVert and senior Walton.

08/04/2018 - 3:13pm Our talent and depth on the…

Our talent and depth on the wing is an embarrassment of riches in my opinion. Livers, Johns, Iggy, Nunez, Wilson and now Bajema makes for 6 guys that stand between 6'5-6'8 that all have shotmaking ability and various levels of shot creating ability that gives Coach Beilein the flexibility to tinker his lineup within a game based on a particular matchup or the hot hand.  

08/04/2018 - 2:58pm I don't think Bajema is a…

I don't think Bajema is a poor pick-up by any means, definitely some skill there. Just think that he's a bit redundant to Jalen Wilson in terms of being a role player that may have some issues on defense. Definitely think our biggest need is a primary shot creator that can collapse a defense off the dribble.

08/04/2018 - 2:06pm Have to disagree there,…

Have to disagree there, there are hundreds of D1 players that are below average athletes. Doesn't mean those type of players can't be effective, but athleticism simply isn't a strong suit.

08/04/2018 - 1:57pm All the bluebloods are after…

All the bluebloods are after him at this point...…….and I don't think its a coincidence that DJ Jeffries 'decommitted' from Kentucky. I'd expect the Wildcats to offer Jaden at some point in the future. I was the first to have him ranked #1...…….but I expect him to be the unanimous #1 overall prospect by the Winter. He's been hard to get a hold of by most coaching staffs, with his Dad sort of taking the lead on his recruitment. That said, he's fairly unmoved by the process and is working with his own timeline and doesn't feel any pressure at all. A likely Spring signing which bodes well for Michigan on the basis that we're likely to have a strong season.

08/04/2018 - 1:54pm Bajema is definitely a…

Bajema is definitely a gamble, and hard to evaluate, because his comp level is very poor on the AAU circuit. That said, I do think he has some ball skills, with the ability to perhaps be a secondary shot creator at the next level against mismatches or off a ball screen.

I just don't think he's the type of isolation player that we need to create shots at the end of the shot clock. I think a lot of his college projection depends on just how good of a shooter he is at the next level.

I think Bajema's archtype is perhaps an extremely poor man's Hedo Turkoglu.

Unlike most others, while I think Cole Anthony is an absolute beast, I don't think he's necessarily a generational talent. There are other PGs in this class, and in other classes that were ranked lower that I'd rather have.

07/20/2018 - 8:53am Can’t offer an educated…

Can’t offer an educated evaluation on him, as I haven’t seen him live. 

07/18/2018 - 10:38pm Of the 2019 prospects that…

Of the 2019 prospects that aren't currently in the radar, here's a few that I think would be a good fit for us based on need and talent:

 

Tre Mann

Khalil Whitney

Isaiah Wong

James Bishop

ReJean Ellis

Dahmir Bishop

07/18/2018 - 8:40pm For me, he's #140, and that…

For me, he's #140, and that was a generous ranking to be candid.

His rankings are all over the place elsewhere, as ESPN has him a generic 3 star/76 rating, Rivals has him #112 and 247 has him at #55. The 247 composite is useless at this point in my opinion, as an aggregate ranking from only 3 sites is vulnerable to heavy influence from outliers (247 is the outlier here).

Crowley has the look and feel of a prospect that was far ahead of his peers as an underclassmen from a size and athleticism perspective, especially considering he plays HS ball in Mississippi. However, that simply wasn't enough to cut it against legit competition absent elite athleticism, for which Crowley does not have.

In terms of the potential fit at Michigan, I just don't see it. Crowley needs space to excel on the offensive end...……...in simple terms an uptempo style of play is where he's effective. Michigan simply does not get out in transition with any sort of volume. Under Coach Beilein, we're an extremely methodical team that runs sets that often see us take shots with under 12 seconds left on the shot clock. That isn't the type of system that Crowley projects well to in my opinion.

07/18/2018 - 5:47pm I don’t evaluate based on…

I don’t evaluate based on highlight clips against low-level comp or settings where defense is not played, such as the clip above.

With regard to Crowley specifically, I’ve watched him live numerous occasions this Spring/Summer on the EYBL circuit for Woods Elite. And it’s my opinion that he’s not very skilled and isn’t a great fit at UM. If that ‘doesn’t hold water’ for you I respect your opinion, but I think if you examine his game from a statistical standpoint (against legit comp) it will lend support to my evaluation. 

07/18/2018 - 1:13pm I've viewed Crowley…

I've viewed Crowley extensively this Spring/Summer and I don't think he's a very good fit for what we need (isolation scorer), nor am I a big fan of his game.

Crowley is the opposite of what we generally recruit, in that he's a good athlete that isn't very skilled. He doesn't shoot the ball particularly well and does not have the ability to create shots off the dribble at the next level as of right now.

I can definitely see some defensive potential there though as a guy that can defend 2 and perhaps 3 positions at some point in his career.

07/14/2018 - 5:14pm The biggest need on the…

The biggest need on the roster is an isolation player that can create off the dribble and score when the offense breaks down. It was definitely a sore spot last year without doubt. I think Poole has some tools to work with in that regard, but obviously the jury is still out.

Jaden McDaniels is the obvious choice, but he's going to be a tough pull but we do have family connections. I think Williamson will develop into that eventually, but he's another tough pull from Texas.

It is very possible we end up with a kid that isn't on the radar as of right now.

07/14/2018 - 4:31pm A kid that I would be at the…

A kid that I would be at the top of my PG list based on talent and fit would be Tre Mann out of Florida. Kid is literally Trey Burke plus 2-3 inches. Doubt we get involved this late in the game, but that would be my ideal pickup at PG.

At the wing, McDaniels would be my first choice followed by Sam Williamson.

07/14/2018 - 4:17pm Beverly - not a PG by any…

Beverly - not a PG by any stretch of the imagination. He's essentially a SF in the body of a CG. I personally don't see a great fit there and I imagine the staff feels the same...…...hence no offer.

Watts - his father wants him at Michigan, but his surrounding camp does not. As of now, I think Watts lands somewhere else for a variety of reasons and I'll leave it at that.

Anthony - do it all PG that probably lands somewhere else because Duke, Kentucky and others are involved.

07/14/2018 - 3:50pm I'm probably in the great…

I'm probably in the great minority here, but I don't see Carton as a huge loss.

DJ is a very good prospect, but I don't necessarily think he would've been a great fit at Michigan. A 5'10-5'11 PG/CG with an average shot in an offensive system that is almost entirely half-court (as opposed to heavy usage of transition) just doesn't seem to be an ideal fit.

Frankly, I think Carton probably made a good decision to go elsewhere based on fit and depth chart. And I also think Michigan will be just fine without DJ for the identical reasons.

 

06/25/2018 - 5:41pm As an avid Laker fan, I can…

As an avid Laker fan, I can attest to Pete's (Laker Film Room) work and the corresponding quality. He is the equivalent of Brian and co. (and frankly held in higher regard by Laker fans) for the Laker community.

The general feeling among casual Laker fans with Mo is slight disappointment, he's not a big name and so he doesn't create buzz in a town that's all about being buzzworthy. He has some obvious holes in his game based on lack of athleticism and defense.

Among the more educated Laker fans (and there is a large contingent), Mo is viewed as a backup center that will should be able to carve out a decent role as a stretch 5 and have a decent career. This segment of the fan base can see his utility based on desired roster construction, but realizes he's not a starter-quality player as he's one-dimensional to a large degree. This segment also gives the Laker scouting department the benefit of the doubt based on their 5 year draft history, which is superb.

My take - I think Mo is a good fit based on team personnel and areas that require improvement, at least on the offensive end. Wagner can provide floor spacing for shot creators such as Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball and Julius Randle. Of course we all know the desired roster includes Lebron and/or Paul George and/or Kawhi Leonard...………….and Mo is the perfect fit to go along side those guys. That said, I don't think Wagner will ever be a starting center on a good team. Its nearly impossible to be a starting center in the league without providing rim protection and the ability to switch on the perimeter absent ELITE offense. We're basically talking DeMarcus Cousins and Mo isn't anywhere near that level.

I think Mo is somewhere between an extremely poor man's version of Brook Lopez (can stretch the floor from distance, but he doesn't provide the rim protection or post offense of Lopez while being 3-4 inches shorter) and Channing Frye (stretches the floor, similar size, but Mo is better in transition and can attack a closeout off the dribble).

06/22/2018 - 2:19pm Watts reminds me a bit of a…

Watts reminds me a bit of a less athletic Taylor Battle (former Penn State star), in that he's a high-volume scorer that can win a game by himself or shoot you out of game by himself.