This is pretty much spot on. Coming in UCLA was 1st in Effective FG, 2pt and 3pt FG and they OUTSHOUT all three percentages. They were unconsicous. Yet, that said, Michigan had it at 77-72, the ball took a bounce off a 2nd missed UCLA FT and the Bruins never looked back. M played very wll tonight but tired down the stretch, taking some bad shots. UCLA beats every other team in the country tonight.
That game was over from the jump. Absolute domination from start to fnish, particularly for a game of that magnitude. The hit certainly set the tone. It was the full display for Michigan - dominating defense, Woodson, Griese, running backs. Terrific in person even though I was completely isolated in Penn St. student section.
Man. Those first six paragraphs. They brought back memories. I was there for the end of the Knuble era and the rise of the Morrison, Botterill, Luhning, Legg, Herr, Muckalt et al. run. Yost was so freaking awesome during that stretch. And the players were so down to earth - Morrison, Botterill and Luhning were all in both my Accounting and Economics classes in Soph? Jr? years so I exchanged friendly hellos to them on a regular basis, I definitely miss THAT Yost and THAT CCHA era. Yost was a crazy old barn with no creature comforts at all. The student section was a mad house. I still can hear all those old familiar chants. What a great era ... hopefully this group can put together a nice run although I understand Yost is not nearly as intimidating as it once was.
Yeah. What the heck! It's not like they are only a few years removed from (1) the final game in year 1 and (2) a clutch 3 away from the final four in year 2. What's that? Oh.
I was there for Colorado too. Sat there stunned for many minutes but it passed. Later in life, I find that my future brother-in-law, who graduated from Colorado, was there as well. Anyway, I digress. This one probably stings for people more because it was MSU, but it will pass. Terrible way to lose. That Colorado play is still imprinted in my brain. My immediate thought today was Kordell Stewart. I so clearly remember the lead up ... and I still think Marcus Ray, KNOCK IT DOWN. Hopefully everyone can gain a little perspective in the weeks/months/years to come.
Hahahahaha. C'mon man. Its early season basketball. You know that Bucknell team UM ran out of the gym earlier in the week? They are giving Villanova a heck of a game tonight. It is silly to draw too much from the ebbs and flows of early season games.
Young (not yet 40). College connections - Penn St. (played there), assistant with Al Golden at Temple, assistant with New York Giants under Tom Coughlin.
Energized Temple's football team. Doing a good job recruiting.
Downside is clearly young and lacks head coaching experience, but frankly with all the retreads and risks already listed here, he should be in among the group.
Not for nothing, but Keita seems like he is getting a lot more key minutes than Christmas recently. According to KenPom, they are so similar that it should not matter much. Christmas seems to have a more refined all around game, but both are all D, no O. One possible explanation is that Christmas is unhappy at Syracuse. Christmas is from Philly and there have been faint rumors that he could be transferring back to Philly area school.
I am probably the only die hard Temple and Michigan fan here. Lifelong Temple fan and Temple Law but I went to UM undergrad and follow both teams very closely. i remember that in 93. Temple played ugly. William Cunningham had no chance to guard Webber soft so he played physical. Temple always had inferior talent but played hard. It does not matter what you hear about Chaney -- he did not do anything that any other coach does. Just because he said some stupid things after John Bryant (of St. Joe) got mildly injured after a hard foul does not mean that Chaney sent players in to intentionally injure the opponent. Hard fouls are part of the game. Michigan showed a lot of toughness winning that game but I'm not sure you can conlude from the game that Chaney did anything warranting "disrespect."
Sure. Hate to get ahead of ourselves but what the heck. Temple is not defensively oriented this year. They were always known as a defensive team under Chaney and Dunphy coaches up defense but do not listen if the pundits call them a defensive team. They are not. They gave three excellent perimeter guards. If the guards are aggressive and hitting shots, they are a tough beat. Wyatt and Moore can shoot and penetrate. Fernandez can dish. Inside, Jefferson is a monster. Not big, but a very physical rebounder and defender. Micheal Eric is the wildcard. He missed the tournament last year with a patella injury (they probably would have beaten SDSU with him). He also missed a large chunk of this season due to an aggravation of the injury. With him, and his close 7 ft, Temple has a better defensive presence. He provides a new angle to the team. However, he has been a step slower than ideal after coming back from the injury. Off the bench, DiLeo is a sturdy "defensive" sub, Brown can hit the 3 and Lee is a long shot blocker/rebounder. Realistically they only go this 8 deep. I'd say Moore/Wyatt are the biggest threats, although Fernandez can get hot. All three guards have length and can defend -- but they are not quick enough to be really good defenders. Teams get into the paint too easily on them. Burke will be a load for them to handle. Just look at what the 5 8 and lightning quick PG Chazz Williams (on UMass) did to Temple 2x in the last 10 days.
It's interesting because Temple (looking ahead) probably likes the Michigan matchup -- Temple struggles with more athletic running/pressing teams. At the same time, Michigan probably likes the Temple matchup. Neither team plays fast. The key to the matchup (if it happens, and my personal bball apocalypse occurs) will be which team shoots better. They both rely on the 3.
I'm a lifelong Temple fan. When I visited Michigan in March 1992 to consider it for undergrad, the Fab Five was in its heyday and they wound up playing Temple in the tournament in back to back years. That was not great. Went to UM undergrad, then Temple law. Now it is coming around again. I've spent so many hours agonizing over these two teams over the last 4+ months and as a reward, this is what I get. A potential round of 32 game from hell. F.
One possible measure of the impact of the 38 3pt attempts is UM's eFG. UM has averaged 53.8 eFG (a KenPom metric that credits 3pt as 1.5 and 2pt as 1). They shot 50% eFG last night, which resulted from 14-38 from 3 and 7-18 from 2. In other words, they shot better than season average from 3 (avg. is 35) but much worse from 2 (avg. is close to 55). So I guess the point is that the 38 3pt attempts would not look as bad had they been closer to avg. in the 2pt department.
Yes, it has been a rough 12 years. But this trend dates back to the early to mid 90s. Michigan has always been dominant. Lake State did the deed several times in the early 90s. Remember the Maine OT debacle. UM finally broke through in Cincinnati vs. CC. Then the next year UND breaks our hearts in Milwaukee with probably best team UM has had over the last 20 years. Unexpected Frozen Four win over BC notwithstanding, it has been a maddening 20 years of UM tournament hockey ... but as always, better to "enjoy" the agonizing ride then to not be playing at all.
Let's face at -- these talking heads can say whatever they want. That has minimal impact on the rankings -- the reason Alabama gets its rematch is because they lost early and then all of the teams ahead of them lost. Michigan lost to Ohio in their last game of the season - there was no time for them to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the voters or BCS computers. Timing of the L, which has been a constant theme in college football, is still applicable here.
Damn. That is just great. Been over a decade since I was at Yost. In four years (93-97), I did not miss many games (between student section and radio). Football and basketball games are fun, but I'll always remember the craziness of Yost. Easily the most intimidating "revenue" venue at UM. Let's get another banner tonight!
Wow. You know that Red still smarts from 97 if he brought it up so easily in those post-game comments. Must be nice "redemption" in a way, for him. Because 97 sucked. Big time.
Blame my foggy memory. BU beat UM in Milwaukee. I guess my bad memories were all the UND *fans* around us taking such joy in UM losing. UND went on to beat BU in the final.
As a senior, I still vividly remember the UM team that was supposed to repeat instead get dominated by UND at the Frozen Four in Milwaukee until a late Morrison goal made it close (and gave us faint hope). The entire building was rooting against UM except UM fans and took such joy in our demise. UND should be the favorite in the upcoming match-up, just as UM was the favorite back in 97. Let's turn the tables this time!
I can understand being "cautious" about Penn St., but this is only a coin-flip game if the Michigan/Penn St. coin we are using is rigged to land on Michigan 60-70% of the time. I listened to or watched most of that TU/PSU game. Penn St.'s offense is absolutely atriocious. They could do nothing right once they got anywhere near the red zone. If Bernard Pierce did not get hurt, Temple probably would have won. Penn St.'s D has no speed and is small. Pierce was bruising through them. In fact, Temple probably should have won anyway had a few bounces gone their way and the playcalling not gone into a shell. Temple has not beaten Penn St. since 1941 so I feel like the coaches clammed up. Anyway, take it for what is worth, but Penn St. is not very good at all. They should get torched in Iowa.
I'm in Philadelphia, so slightly skewed (to the positive) view of Temple. But even so, it is unfair to say UConn is not good because they lost to Temple. UConn may not be very good, but Temple is an okay team and this game had a lot of intangible factors (Big East envy, revenge, etc.). Temple is well coached and motivated. There is a good chance they'll go undefeated in the MAC. Truth is, we'll know a lot more about Temple, the Big East and the Big 10 after this week when Temple visits Penn St. For the first time in forever, there are actually people who think Temple could spring the upset.
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This is pretty much spot on. Coming in UCLA was 1st in Effective FG, 2pt and 3pt FG and they OUTSHOUT all three percentages. They were unconsicous. Yet, that said, Michigan had it at 77-72, the ball took a bounce off a 2nd missed UCLA FT and the Bruins never looked back. M played very wll tonight but tired down the stretch, taking some bad shots. UCLA beats every other team in the country tonight.
That game was over from the jump. Absolute domination from start to fnish, particularly for a game of that magnitude. The hit certainly set the tone. It was the full display for Michigan - dominating defense, Woodson, Griese, running backs. Terrific in person even though I was completely isolated in Penn St. student section.
Man. Those first six paragraphs. They brought back memories. I was there for the end of the Knuble era and the rise of the Morrison, Botterill, Luhning, Legg, Herr, Muckalt et al. run. Yost was so freaking awesome during that stretch. And the players were so down to earth - Morrison, Botterill and Luhning were all in both my Accounting and Economics classes in Soph? Jr? years so I exchanged friendly hellos to them on a regular basis, I definitely miss THAT Yost and THAT CCHA era. Yost was a crazy old barn with no creature comforts at all. The student section was a mad house. I still can hear all those old familiar chants. What a great era ... hopefully this group can put together a nice run although I understand Yost is not nearly as intimidating as it once was.
Yeah. What the heck! It's not like they are only a few years removed from (1) the final game in year 1 and (2) a clutch 3 away from the final four in year 2. What's that? Oh.
I do not believe the Bubble Solver has Michigan in, particularly if you read the blog post accompanying the data. I coud be wrong though.
I was there for Colorado too. Sat there stunned for many minutes but it passed. Later in life, I find that my future brother-in-law, who graduated from Colorado, was there as well. Anyway, I digress. This one probably stings for people more because it was MSU, but it will pass. Terrible way to lose. That Colorado play is still imprinted in my brain. My immediate thought today was Kordell Stewart. I so clearly remember the lead up ... and I still think Marcus Ray, KNOCK IT DOWN. Hopefully everyone can gain a little perspective in the weeks/months/years to come.
Hahahahaha. C'mon man. Its early season basketball. You know that Bucknell team UM ran out of the gym earlier in the week? They are giving Villanova a heck of a game tonight. It is silly to draw too much from the ebbs and flows of early season games.
Current HC at Temple.
Can check off many boxes.
Young (not yet 40). College connections - Penn St. (played there), assistant with Al Golden at Temple, assistant with New York Giants under Tom Coughlin.
Energized Temple's football team. Doing a good job recruiting.
Downside is clearly young and lacks head coaching experience, but frankly with all the retreads and risks already listed here, he should be in among the group.
Not for nothing, but Keita seems like he is getting a lot more key minutes than Christmas recently. According to KenPom, they are so similar that it should not matter much. Christmas seems to have a more refined all around game, but both are all D, no O. One possible explanation is that Christmas is unhappy at Syracuse. Christmas is from Philly and there have been faint rumors that he could be transferring back to Philly area school.
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I am probably the only die hard Temple and Michigan fan here. Lifelong Temple fan and Temple Law but I went to UM undergrad and follow both teams very closely. i remember that in 93. Temple played ugly. William Cunningham had no chance to guard Webber soft so he played physical. Temple always had inferior talent but played hard. It does not matter what you hear about Chaney -- he did not do anything that any other coach does. Just because he said some stupid things after John Bryant (of St. Joe) got mildly injured after a hard foul does not mean that Chaney sent players in to intentionally injure the opponent. Hard fouls are part of the game. Michigan showed a lot of toughness winning that game but I'm not sure you can conlude from the game that Chaney did anything warranting "disrespect."
Sure. Hate to get ahead of ourselves but what the heck. Temple is not defensively oriented this year. They were always known as a defensive team under Chaney and Dunphy coaches up defense but do not listen if the pundits call them a defensive team. They are not. They gave three excellent perimeter guards. If the guards are aggressive and hitting shots, they are a tough beat. Wyatt and Moore can shoot and penetrate. Fernandez can dish. Inside, Jefferson is a monster. Not big, but a very physical rebounder and defender. Micheal Eric is the wildcard. He missed the tournament last year with a patella injury (they probably would have beaten SDSU with him). He also missed a large chunk of this season due to an aggravation of the injury. With him, and his close 7 ft, Temple has a better defensive presence. He provides a new angle to the team. However, he has been a step slower than ideal after coming back from the injury. Off the bench, DiLeo is a sturdy "defensive" sub, Brown can hit the 3 and Lee is a long shot blocker/rebounder. Realistically they only go this 8 deep. I'd say Moore/Wyatt are the biggest threats, although Fernandez can get hot. All three guards have length and can defend -- but they are not quick enough to be really good defenders. Teams get into the paint too easily on them. Burke will be a load for them to handle. Just look at what the 5 8 and lightning quick PG Chazz Williams (on UMass) did to Temple 2x in the last 10 days.
It's interesting because Temple (looking ahead) probably likes the Michigan matchup -- Temple struggles with more athletic running/pressing teams. At the same time, Michigan probably likes the Temple matchup. Neither team plays fast. The key to the matchup (if it happens, and my personal bball apocalypse occurs) will be which team shoots better. They both rely on the 3.
I'm a lifelong Temple fan. When I visited Michigan in March 1992 to consider it for undergrad, the Fab Five was in its heyday and they wound up playing Temple in the tournament in back to back years. That was not great. Went to UM undergrad, then Temple law. Now it is coming around again. I've spent so many hours agonizing over these two teams over the last 4+ months and as a reward, this is what I get. A potential round of 32 game from hell. F.
One possible measure of the impact of the 38 3pt attempts is UM's eFG. UM has averaged 53.8 eFG (a KenPom metric that credits 3pt as 1.5 and 2pt as 1). They shot 50% eFG last night, which resulted from 14-38 from 3 and 7-18 from 2. In other words, they shot better than season average from 3 (avg. is 35) but much worse from 2 (avg. is close to 55). So I guess the point is that the 38 3pt attempts would not look as bad had they been closer to avg. in the 2pt department.
Yes, it has been a rough 12 years. But this trend dates back to the early to mid 90s. Michigan has always been dominant. Lake State did the deed several times in the early 90s. Remember the Maine OT debacle. UM finally broke through in Cincinnati vs. CC. Then the next year UND breaks our hearts in Milwaukee with probably best team UM has had over the last 20 years. Unexpected Frozen Four win over BC notwithstanding, it has been a maddening 20 years of UM tournament hockey ... but as always, better to "enjoy" the agonizing ride then to not be playing at all.
Let's face at -- these talking heads can say whatever they want. That has minimal impact on the rankings -- the reason Alabama gets its rematch is because they lost early and then all of the teams ahead of them lost. Michigan lost to Ohio in their last game of the season - there was no time for them to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the voters or BCS computers. Timing of the L, which has been a constant theme in college football, is still applicable here.
Damn. That is just great. Been over a decade since I was at Yost. In four years (93-97), I did not miss many games (between student section and radio). Football and basketball games are fun, but I'll always remember the craziness of Yost. Easily the most intimidating "revenue" venue at UM. Let's get another banner tonight!
Wow. You know that Red still smarts from 97 if he brought it up so easily in those post-game comments. Must be nice "redemption" in a way, for him. Because 97 sucked. Big time.
Blame my foggy memory. BU beat UM in Milwaukee. I guess my bad memories were all the UND *fans* around us taking such joy in UM losing. UND went on to beat BU in the final.
As a senior, I still vividly remember the UM team that was supposed to repeat instead get dominated by UND at the Frozen Four in Milwaukee until a late Morrison goal made it close (and gave us faint hope). The entire building was rooting against UM except UM fans and took such joy in our demise. UND should be the favorite in the upcoming match-up, just as UM was the favorite back in 97. Let's turn the tables this time!
I can understand being "cautious" about Penn St., but this is only a coin-flip game if the Michigan/Penn St. coin we are using is rigged to land on Michigan 60-70% of the time. I listened to or watched most of that TU/PSU game. Penn St.'s offense is absolutely atriocious. They could do nothing right once they got anywhere near the red zone. If Bernard Pierce did not get hurt, Temple probably would have won. Penn St.'s D has no speed and is small. Pierce was bruising through them. In fact, Temple probably should have won anyway had a few bounces gone their way and the playcalling not gone into a shell. Temple has not beaten Penn St. since 1941 so I feel like the coaches clammed up. Anyway, take it for what is worth, but Penn St. is not very good at all. They should get torched in Iowa.
I'm in Philadelphia, so slightly skewed (to the positive) view of Temple. But even so, it is unfair to say UConn is not good because they lost to Temple. UConn may not be very good, but Temple is an okay team and this game had a lot of intangible factors (Big East envy, revenge, etc.). Temple is well coached and motivated. There is a good chance they'll go undefeated in the MAC. Truth is, we'll know a lot more about Temple, the Big East and the Big 10 after this week when Temple visits Penn St. For the first time in forever, there are actually people who think Temple could spring the upset.