|12/14/2018 - 9:03pm||I met him at an alumni event…||
I met him at an alumni event back in 2012. He was the nicest, most down-to-earth public figure I've ever met (not that I've met a ton of public figures, but still). He even went out of his way to talk with the staff and volunteers at the event and thanked each of them personally for their work. Genuine class.
|12/13/2018 - 7:30pm||I can't count the number of…||
I can't count the number of times in the past 10 years or so that I've taken solace in the basketball program's successes after yet another football disappointment. Our B1G football championship drought is entering its sixteenth year (!) and our winless streak against Ohio State is entering its eight year, and yet the basketball program keeps hanging banner after banner. I'm sure we'll turn things around in football eventually, but until then, thank Jesus/Allah/Buddah/Ganesh/Science for basketball.
|12/11/2018 - 8:43pm||This is not something you…||
This is not something you should publicly seek advice about on a message board. You could be revealing information that undermines any legal claims you might have (to be clear, I'm not suggesting that you've done that in this post). Consult an attorney with expertise in this area. And do it privately, under the protection of attorney-client privilege. In fact, I recommend you email the mods and ask that this thread be deleted immediately.
|12/10/2018 - 1:51pm||They're less relevant than…||
They're less relevant than in football, but they're not entirely irrelevant. My understanding is that the selection committee uses them as data points in determining seeding and sorting through the teams on the bubble.
|12/10/2018 - 1:19pm||Eh, don't really care too…||
Eh, don't really care too much. Yes we deserve to be higher, but the polls aren't all that relevant right now. Also, I'm willing to bet that the Coaches' Poll will have us at 4 or maybe even 3 (other coaches seem to respect Beilein and Michigan more than the media does because obviously).
|12/09/2018 - 9:31pm||Well this is clearly the…||
Well this is clearly the most important ranking of all then.
|12/09/2018 - 9:29pm||I remember it well. We beat…||
I remember it well. We beat India, but lost to Pakistan in OT on a buzzer-beater.
|12/07/2018 - 6:35pm||Then again, when the first…||
Then again, when the first reports about the B1G possibly adding Maryland and Rutgers hit the wire, my first thought was to call bulshit because how does that make any sense?
|12/07/2018 - 12:59pm||I would imagine that…||
I would imagine that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are a package deal. They're both public schools, and I don't think the State of Oklahoma would be okay with leaving Oklahoma State out to dry while Oklahoma bolts for greener pastures. Also, T. Boone Pickens is one of the most powerful boosters/donors in all of college athletics outside of Oregon, and he might throw his weight around to try to prevent Oklahoma from leaving the Big XII without taking Oklahoma State with it.
|12/07/2018 - 12:46pm||lol... Nice analogy.
lol... Nice analogy.
The other problem with Texas is that it would be a borderline-extreme geographic outlier. Oklahoma would be less of a problem in that respect since Norman is driveable from at least Lincoln and Iowa City (Stillwater is even better since it's further north, if Oklahoma State ever enters the conversation). Austin, on the other hand, is closer to Mexico than it is to any U.S. state.
|12/07/2018 - 12:36pm||BUT THERE WILL BE SO MUCH…||
BUT THERE WILL BE SO MUCH OF THE MONIEZ AND THE KABLE TEEVEE SUBSKRIBURZ
|12/07/2018 - 11:27am||Texas is actually better…||
Texas is actually better-positioned to compete as an independent than ND, given the mountain of cash they own. The only thing they lack is traditional cross-region rivalries (like ND has with USC). But they could easily create some.
|12/07/2018 - 11:22am||I would prefer Oklahoma and…||
I would prefer Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Texas is a pain in the ass to deal with, and is pretty much the reason why there's been a mass exodus from the Big XII in recent years.
Still waiting for the plan to get rid of Rutgers and Maryland. How is that going to play out?
|12/06/2018 - 11:40pm||Always wondered how a…||
Always wondered how a lumberyard managed to keep operating smack dab in the middle of a major college campus for so long. I'm sure they've been bombarded with numerous acquisition offers for that prime piece of real estate over the years. Best of luck to them. I'm sure the University will put that property to good use.
|12/06/2018 - 5:19pm||lol... I hadn't seen it, but…||
lol... I hadn't seen it, but that clip might make me give it a shot.
As for my moniker, it's a reference to this man.
|12/06/2018 - 3:17pm||Good point about a…||
Good point about a basketball championship also having a redemptive aspect to it, given that we've come so close so many times.
On your point about the college football postseason: I also felt that way during the BCS era. I preferred the pre-alliance system of conference tie-ins and pure voting to a worst-of-both-worlds system like the BCS. But I think the CFP got it right. It decides the champion on the field without devaluing the regular season. I would oppose expanding the CFP to 8 teams.
|12/06/2018 - 2:54pm||A lot of people are saying…||
A lot of people are saying this, but let's take a look at the last fifteen winners of the NCAA Tournament:
|12/06/2018 - 2:39pm||This is pretty much where I…||
This is pretty much where I'm at. Also, you bring up an important point: Jim Harbaugh and Michigan Football are widely disliked and ridiculed outside of our fanbase, whereas John Beilein and Michigan Basketball are universally respected among their peers, even by our rivals. As unfair and meritless as the public perception of our football program may be, it's hard to dismiss it entirely given our embarrassing record against Ohio State and a Big Ten Championship drought that is entering its fifteenth year. There's something to be said for having the respect of your peers, and let's be honest: the football program hasn't done much in recent years to merit the level of respect we seem to think it deserves.
|12/06/2018 - 12:59pm||I stopped reading after this…||I stopped reading after this:
In my view, no.
|11/30/2018 - 1:26pm||Back in 2012, the AD had a …||
Back in 2012, the AD had a "Coaches Tour" in which David Brandon and a group of coaches from various sports (including Hoke and Beilein) went on a nationwide tour and met with alumni clubs in various major cities (Chicago, New York, LA, SF, etc). Any alum could register for a reasonable fee and meet the coaches, pose for pictures, get autographs, etc. It was pretty neat, and one of the initiatives for which Brandon deserves some credit (notwithstanding the other terrible aspects of his tenure). I don't know if that's still a thing, but if it is, that would be one opportunity (though they don't take place until the summer, for obvious reasons).
Beyond that, you might want to try just calling Beilein's assistant and asking.
|11/29/2018 - 12:03pm||I know GERG was a favorite…||
I know GERG was a favorite whipping boy of ours, but how much of our defensive ineptitude in 2009 and 2010 was on Rich Rod and not GERG? I think Mike Martin (who supported Rich Rod) talked about a shift in philosophy under Hoke and said that under Rich Rod, the role of the defense in practice was basically just to help out the offense (or something to that effect). GERG had a pretty decent career as a coordinator outside of his Michigan tenure.
|11/29/2018 - 11:57am||Assuming he keeps this up…||
Assuming he keeps this up for the rest of the season, put yourself in his shoes: another year of being a broke college student subject to arbitrary NCAA rules that prevent you from realizing your market value, or worldwide fame and millions of dollars in guaranteed money as a potential NBA lottery pick? Tough choice.
|11/28/2018 - 11:37pm||Wow. I don't think anyone…||
Wow. I don't think anyone expected that level of dominance.
It feels good to say that for positive reasons. GO BLUE.
|11/27/2018 - 1:09am||Because you're projecting…||
Because you're projecting football vibes onto basketball?
Beilein's teams almost never choke in the tournament. They always either play to their seeding or exceed expectations. The only time we were upset in the tournament was the year we lost to Ohio in the first round (2012, I think). And even that year, we overachieved in the regular season and might have been seeded too high in the tournament.
We're a basketball school and have been for a few years now. And that's as much a credit to Beilein as it is an indictment of Harbaugh/Hoke. Embrace it.
|11/26/2018 - 6:56pm||No one cares about these…||
No one cares about these rankings.
|11/26/2018 - 6:47pm||JOHN BEILEIN FOR EMPEROR OF…||
JOHN BEILEIN FOR EMPEROR OF THE GALAXY
|11/26/2018 - 12:10pm||Wow. I'm so sorry. I can…||
Wow. I'm so sorry. I can think of nothing more devastating than having to bury your child.
If Michigan Football (or sports in general) isn't serving its ultimate purpose as a pleasant distraction from the stress of daily life, then I recommend that you step away from it. After having been dealt such a tragedy, your mental well-being should be priority number one.
Take care of yourself. At the end of the day, The Game is just a game. Once again, my sincere condolences for your loss.
|11/26/2018 - 11:52am||Let's be honest: we've had a…||
Let's be honest: we've had a lot of Games-We-Do-Not-Speak-Of over the past 10-12 years.
|11/26/2018 - 11:48am||I think Michigan is no…||
I think Michigan is no different in that regard, and I have no doubt that our players came out every bit as fired up and dialed-in as theirs. The problem is that our version of an A-game seems to be nothing more than just trying extra super hard. Their version of an A-game is studying Michigan obsessively, finding every weakness, and preparing a gameplan full of surprises and never-before-seen plays that exploits those weaknesses to maximum effect.
The take home is that after all these years and a reign of dominance that's nearly entering its third decade, Ohio State still treats this game like it's the Super Bowl against the '72 Dolphins. In contrast, despite disappointment after disappointment, we still treat this game like we're Ohio State's equal and expect to win by using the same gameplan we've used all season and just trying extra super hard this time.
|11/26/2018 - 11:33am||Say what you will about…||
Say what you will about Urban Meyer, but the man does not abide complacency.
|11/26/2018 - 11:28am||"The Defenestration"||
|11/25/2018 - 11:04pm||Ever hear of Florida State…||
Ever hear of Florida State and Miami? Also, Clemson won a national championship by humiliating Ohio State (31-0, if I remember correctly) and outlasting 'Bama, neither of which are ACC teams.
|11/25/2018 - 10:54pm||If you think an 0-4 record…||
If you think an 0-4 record against our biggest rival for a coach whose hiring was practically hailed as the second coming of Jesus (coupled with a 2-16 record for the program overall against that rival over the past 18 years) is akin to choking "now and then", and if you think that a Big Ten championship drought that is now entering its 14th year (coupled with zero appearances in the B1G Championship Game) for a program that once dominated the conference is something that should be met with a shoulder shrug and a "win some, lose some" attitude, then I'm really not sure what to tell you.
This is not about supporting the team. We all support the team. This is about expecting a program that generates a disproportionate share of hype to actually live up to it.
|11/25/2018 - 10:23pm||It's worth noting that…||
It's worth noting that against Urban Meyer and Mark Dantonio, the two coaches who have given Jim Harbaugh the most trouble, Lloyd was 2-0. Just sayin'.
|11/25/2018 - 9:44pm||In my view, here's where the…||
In my view, here's where the frustration comes from... We started the season with Harbaugh facing a tremendous amount of pressure, and the program facing an uncertain path back to elite status. After the ND loss, that path grew murkier, and the pressure on Harbaugh intensified. As the season progressed, it started to seem like ND was an aberration and that Harbaugh would finally break through and restore the program to the ranks of the elite. And after yesterday, we're back to where we were after the ND loss: the real Michigan is a team that beats up on lesser teams but chokes in its very biggest games, and it's unclear when or even if we'll ever be anything other than an also-ran.
That about sums it up, I think.
|11/25/2018 - 9:21pm||Who knows if our beloved…||
Who knows if our beloved football program will ever find its way and live up to its own hype. But until it does, I'm proud to root for a basketball team that is an absolute joy to watch and that just wins. GO BLUE. BEILEIN FOR EMPEROR.
|11/25/2018 - 11:53am||But does OSU really have…||
But does OSU really have that significant of a talent advantage over us? Judging by star ratings and recruiting rankings, our recruiting under Harbaugh has basically been on par with OSU's. They might have a bit of an advantage, but not enough to account for a 23-point shellacking.
Also, Clemson has never recruited on the same level as Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, et al., and yet Dabo's program has become a CFP mainstay that has surpassed many of the programs that perennially out-recruit Clemson.
|11/25/2018 - 11:39am||Might it be the fact that…||
Might it be the fact that every coach we've had since Bo (with the obvious exception of Rich Rod) has kept the program immersed in the "Michigan Man" mantra and stubbornly insisted on maintaining Bo's legacy of influence, even 12 years after his death? Yesterday's loss was straight out of Bo's Rose Bowl playbook: we tried to rely on execution alone against a team with equal or better talent, and we got exposed. Our offense and our defense looked exactly the same as they have all season, and the wrinkles and never-before-seen formations or packages we were all anticipating didn't materialize. Bo got away with that against OSU because Woody had the same philosophy, but Bo's postseason record against the USCs of the world was a measly 2-9. Urban Meyer is part of the Earle Bruce coaching tree, but he rarely talks about Bruce or Woody Hayes the way Harbaugh talks about Bo, and his teams look nothing like Bruce's teams. Bo was a great coach of course, but there were clearly flaws in his philosophy that held him back in the postseason. And with the way that the game and the other blueblood programs that we consider our peers have evolved, those flaws hold us back to a greater extent now than they did during Bo's time.
Culturally, we still perpetuate the "Michigan Man" meme and continue to uphold the mantra that Michigan is a special place whose excellence is somehow on a different plane from other programs, despite the fact that we've done nothing in recent years to merit that mentality. Hoke had a giant "This is Michigan" mural installed in Schembechler Hall, and Harbaugh kept it. Players and coaches are constantly reminded of the program's accolades from the distant past that bear zero relevance to the present day. There's a glorification of the past and a focus on purely symbolic distinctions (i.e., the fact that we have the biggest stadium, the winged helmets, etc) that permeates the program at every level and borders on obsession. Might we be sending the message to players that being at Michigan by itself counts for something and puts them at some sort of an inherent advantage? Might our self-absorption have bred an attitude of complacency that handicaps us against truly elite programs?
|11/25/2018 - 6:02am||Sorry for the profanity and…||
Sorry for the profanity-laden rant; I got a little carried away. I'm taking this one harder than past losses to OSU because of the way we got manhandled after thinking all season that this would be the year we finally turn the corner.
My main point is this: 16 losses to OSU in 18 years and an 0-4 record by a coach whose hiring came with more hype than any other hiring in recent memory points to some sort of systemic, structural problem within the program. I don't know what that problem is, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to deny that there's something deeper at play here that is preventing Michigan from getting over the hump and competing with Ohio State. It's hard to look for positives when there's no indication that whatever malaise is causing this shocking run of futility in The Game (which is damn near entering its third decade) is even being diagnosed, let alone treated, by anyone in charge.
I appreciate the effort to inject some optimism into the discussion. I really do. But claiming that things aren't as bad as they look by pointing out that the difference amounts to a handful of deficiencies is like claiming that a widget that keeps coming out of the factory defective time and again is not as bad as it looks because the defects amount to a handful of correctable flaws. At some point, you have to wonder what's wrong with the factory that makes it keep producing defective widgets.
|11/25/2018 - 4:50am||Yes it is, Goddamnit. It is…||
Yes it is, Goddamnit. It is every bit as bad as it looks, and then some.
I'm fucking sick and tired of the same old bullshit every fucking year. And every fucking year, someone chimes in and tries to find a silver lining or make a case for why we're this close to getting over the hump. Well guess what? We were this close to getting over the hump TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO. In 2008, after Tressel pounded Michigan for what seemed like the umpteenth time, we all said we were sick and tired of losing to Ohio State. Fast forward ten years, and we're still sick and tired of losing to Ohio State. Of all years, this was the year when it looked like we were most well-positioned to get the monkey off our backs. And we went out and faceplanted like we didn't even belong on the same field as Ohio State.
This shit is systemic, cultural, endemic, whatever you want to call it. Anyone who denies that there is something seriously wrong with a program that shits the bed time and again against its biggest rival is in denial. 16 out of 18 is not bad luck; it's a pattern.
|11/24/2018 - 5:58pm||Someone send this man a…||
Someone send this man a briefcase full of cash and a life-sized 'THANK YOU' card.
|11/24/2018 - 5:17pm||Both of them were the…||
Both of them were the problem (and throw in special teams, with that blocked punt TD debacle). We looked completely unprepared and flat-footed on both sides of the ball.
I'm honestly more shocked than disappointed. It would be one thing if this was a repeat of 2016, but we just watched an absolute shellacking. I don't think the score reflects how thoroughly OSU dominated us. How could we have shit the bed so badly in the biggest game of the season after having dominated the past ten games?
|11/24/2018 - 4:53pm||Basketball.||
|11/24/2018 - 10:31am||45-7. Harbaugh pulls out all…||
45-7. Harbaugh pulls out all the stops and takes out 17 years of the program's collective frustration. Shea passes for season highs in yards and TDs. Karon adds another 100-yard game to his tally. Defense holds OSU to around 200 yards, and yet we get another shot of an angry Don Brown looking like his son just crashed his car when OSU scores a garbage time TD to narrowly avoid a shutout.
And there will be much rejoicing. GO BLUE.
|11/22/2018 - 4:23pm||Basketball upsetting top…||
Basketball upsetting top-ranked Duke at Crisler on the same day that Woodson won the Heisman.
|11/20/2018 - 8:31pm||That's twenty seconds of my…||
That's twenty seconds of my life I will never have back.
|11/17/2018 - 11:11pm||Herbstreit is not all that…||
Herbstreit is not all that well-liked by OSU fans. I don't think fear of their reaction will factor into his pick.
Not that it matters what Herbstreit thinks.
|11/16/2018 - 1:16am||If I had to choose, I would…||
If I had to choose, I would say it's a tie between Ed Warinner and Don Brown. And if I had to choose only one, I would say Ed Warinner because OL had been the weak link for the better part of the last decade, and none of the other OL coaches we went through during that time had much success in turning it around.
But honestly, this is like choosing the nicest car out of a lot full of Ferraris. You can't really go wrong.
|11/16/2018 - 1:08am||(No subject)||
|11/15/2018 - 11:53pm||The problem is that OSU will…||
The problem is that OSU will play its best too. They may have a game or two every year in which they inexplicably shit the bed (at least that's been the pattern lately), but that never happens against us (regrettably).