|06/25/2018 - 9:23am||It's always going to be a…||
It's always going to be a reach to pull elite kids from strongholds, but it does sound like UM made a strong case. Can't ask for much more.
|06/24/2018 - 10:27pm||Hope you didn't sprain your…||
Hope you didn't sprain your ankle jumping back on the bandwagon.
|06/24/2018 - 10:25pm||So yeah...this is a pretty…||
So yeah...this is a pretty good weekend.
|06/24/2018 - 9:02pm||A telling sign is that…||
A telling sign is that account and Bluey both posted the same section of Brian's long-ago offensive recruiting preview about the WR position. Maybe it's two different people, but then they are basically following each other on this site. He also, for example, copy-pasted the same response to you that he posted here relating to his previous identity as Maizen and hating Beilein.
I'm not a fan of doxxing people on the internet; let him be an idiot in private. But hell, at least try to cover your track a bit better.
|06/24/2018 - 8:53pm||So just a coincidence that…||
You might want to be careful, then, since a quick look at his twitter feed looks like he basically follows your around and adopts the exact same posts as you.
|06/24/2018 - 8:46pm||Welcome aboard!
I feel bad…
I feel bad for Ace's fingers at this point; lots of Hello posts to write.
|06/24/2018 - 7:18pm||What was always weird to me…||
What was always weird to me regarding Barrett was that he was a pretty good passer coming out of HS. Like, between him and Miller he was viewed as the "passer" and Miller the WR/RB taking snaps. And yet, Barrett ultimately became a liability at QB when defenses could slow him down on the ground.
|06/24/2018 - 6:58pm||Utah was the first game…||
Utah was the first game under Harbaugh, the first of the year, and a couple timezones away. That was a recipe for a bad ourxome, and they still almost pulled it off. And then other than that PSU game where Franklin unloaded literally everything he had, they were close games against good teams decided by a couple of points, oftentimes on flukey plays (FSU, Iowa, and MSU jump to mind). It's a small sample size and could just as easily be 5-3.
|06/24/2018 - 6:53pm||Looks great. He's the #45…||
Looks great. He's the #45 player in the country.
|06/24/2018 - 6:16pm||But you literally shit on…||
But you literally shit on every recruit, even when it's merely an offer.
Also also, LSU's average star rating right now is 89.22, while Michigan's is 90.14, with LSU having taken 17 players including a Juco (I honestly don't know how they factor in a Juco in their rankings). Virtually every team has a majority of 3* classes because there are just more of those players compared to the rest. And that says nothing about how players move up and down rankings as the season progresses.
So again, I'm waiting for more out of you than "I want Michigan to sign higher-rated players based on rankings right now" which I guess is the only point you want to make and, I will reiterate, I've heard loud and clear.
But hey, you also know which offers are commitable and which aren't across the college spectrum, so maybe you're a genius that nobody has ever previously identified.
|06/24/2018 - 6:05pm||I don't understand how the…||
I don't understand how the guy who sets up the logistics of visits has anything to do with recruiting. Unless recruits are angry they keep getting put on the middle seat of a row on Jet Blue, this seems like a reach.
|06/24/2018 - 5:54pm||Honest question - what…||
Honest question - what answer did you want?
|06/24/2018 - 5:12pm||Ah crap, I should have…||
Ah crap, I should have checked the name before responding. Didn't realize it was Bluey.
|06/24/2018 - 5:10pm||They wanted to play for…||
They wanted to play for Michigan and Michigan thought they were good players?
I don't know what you're asking otherwise.
|06/24/2018 - 3:50pm||Or Taggart saw the guy on…||
Or Taggart saw the guy on campus a d then immediately offered. But no, your take that a coach with a track record of solid recruiting in the south totally follows a guy he used to work for.
|06/24/2018 - 3:29pm||I noticed you didn't post…||
I noticed you didn't post one about Eric Gray because that would have been a top-250 recruit and that doesn't work with your doom-and-gloom approach.
BTW, because I too can look at a news feed at 247 and think I know anything, LSU just offered the #957 recruit in the country, and seem reasonably high on him. Literally at random, I see other teams offering guys who are lowly-ranked because they showed up at their camp and they like him. But whatever, you're a sad little person and shitting on HS kids makes you feel important.
|06/24/2018 - 2:33pm||Honestly, go back to some of…||
Honestly, go back to some of those Hello posts and you see a fair number of lower-rated guys committing because the higher-rated guys tend to take more time because they are fielding more offers. I randomly picked the Jordan Anthony post and you see guys like Nico Collins, Oliver Martin, Aubrey Solomon, and Drew Singleton still in the "waiting" stage even with the class near it's capacity. And Anthony was pretty late in the process. And hell, Josh Metellus was picked up pretty early as a who-dat commit and was voted Big Ten honorable mention last year as a sophomore and looks to be a solid player on this elite defense they have coming back.
Does Michigan need to get more elite recruits? Absolutely. But classes aren't usually full of 4.5*+ guys. That 2017 class was an outlier even by Michigan's standards, and this class feels like it'll settle into that top-10/15 level once the dust settles. You can absolutely win a lot of games with that level of talent, and if they can show that last year was the aberration it sort of feels like (exasperated by the injuries at QB), then you nudge that consistent ranking up a tad more and then you're in the playoff talk consistently.
Personally, my biggest complaint with Michigan this past decade is that they seem ready to knee-cap a coach after only a couple of years, and that instability more than anything else hurts recruiting. When a kid doesn't know if his coach will be there in 2-3 years, why would he stick around? That's why even if Harbaugh struggles, I'd rather give him time to figure it out than rush off with the "unacceptable" bullshit and move on to the next guy. People forget that John Beilein would have been run out of town numerous times by the same people here now clamoring for Harbaugh to be on the hot seat (in particular a color-based username, who almost always responded to posts after losses and rarely after wins). Harbaugh didn't forget how to coach or recruit, and the reality here isn't "he can no longer convince good players to play at Michigan". I honestly don't know if certain assistants are better or worse than others in recent memory in terms of getting guys into the program, but I also doubt anyone here knows either, and so instead of just saying that we get the wild-ass speculation.
|06/24/2018 - 2:09pm||So wait, spread offenses don…||
So wait, spread offenses don't count anymore? You have this thing about spread offenses that I don't get, since you seem to conflate an RR-style with, say, Clemson's, even though they are different in a number of key ways.
As for the record, going from 3-9 to 7-6 over 3 years with basically a whole new offensive system and a pretty barren cupboard at a number of key spots shows positive growth, especially since the year after he left Hoke basically ran a version of the same offense and put up really good numbers. It's almost like having upperclassmen at key spots makes your offense better.
As for the 3 teams you mentioned, Michigan averaged about 18 points per game against MSU and PSU. Not great, but 2008 and 2009 PSU were the last "great" PSU teams before the sanctions cratered them, and MSU's defenses over that time weren't particularly good (around 20 ppg), and Michigan scored about that many. They lost those games for a number of reasons, but I'm not sure you can pin any of them on the offensive system. Not that you care - you're in a bad mood.
|06/24/2018 - 1:48pm||He's got a 247 account and…||
He's got a 247 account and twitter - that's all you need to be wrong on the internet these days.
|06/24/2018 - 1:46pm||Oh man, don't tell OSU about…||
Oh man, don't tell OSU about that list either then.
|06/24/2018 - 1:43pm||Clemson's last 5 classes…||
Clemson's last 5 classes were 17,17, 21, 26, and 20, which equals...101. Michigan's last 5 classes were 19, 30, 28,14,16 which equals...98. So other than that two-year bumper crop to offset for the really small classes under Hoke, Michigan has effectively recruited the same number of players and retained a decent number of them even with a coaching change in the middle. Their classes are exactly the size they need to fill their positional needs, something you'd expect from a coach who has been at a program for a decade.
Also, the ACC is pretty good at football. They aren't the Big East conference of years past, or hell even the Big 12 of the past couple of years. FSU and Clemson have been perennial powers for years now. Miami and VT are solid programs with good coaches and a history of success. To say they are a basketball conference basically means you don't want to make an actual argument so you'll throw around some trite phrase and hope nobody notices.
Also, I don't get your issue with the type of offense they play vs. Michigan's. You keep saying "spread" like that is some singular term as opposed to a style of offense that requires different-but-equal types of players. Michigan's offense is as much about misdirection and mismatches as any "spread" offense you'll see; it's arguably closer to Clemson or Washington as it is to Iowa or Wisconsin, even though Clemson and Washington run different flavors of a spread-style offensive system.
But whatever, keep being mad. I tried to engage with you earlier about two recruits, you copy backed some blurbs from 247, and that was it. So I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you still trot out the same lazy BS.
|06/24/2018 - 1:16pm||You mean the Rich Rod…||
You mean the Rich Rod recruiting that led to some of the best offenses in recent Michigan history? Or the one that helped Hoke have the one 11-win season Michigan has had in over a decade? Or the classes that helped Harbaugh net back-to-back 10-win seasons for the first time since the early 00's?
I get that you think you know a lot about football; I'd accept that you know more than the average person who calls into talk radio. But due to your complete inability to remain consistent in your message, any kernel of knowledge you have is drowned by the rest of the bullshit you spew.
|06/24/2018 - 1:12pm||Honestly, if the message…||
Honestly, if the message board listed who created the post, I'd be happy.
But Bluey is an asshole and creates threads that shit on kids who undoubtedly visit the site. So while I don't believe that any HS kid should care what some asshole on the internet thinks about him based on reading a third of a page of 247 and watching a 2-minute highlight film, it isn't a good look for the site to have it plastered on the front page. Again, it seems the mods are fine with it, but for all the "don't tweet at recruits" instructions I see around here all the time, it's a little hypocritical to allow a post that is "offering this kid shows the depths of despair Michigan has entered and we are all fucked."
|06/24/2018 - 1:08pm||Looks solid, could be a…||
Looks solid, could be a jumbo WR is certain sets. Solid pickup at an area where they have some flexibility.
|06/24/2018 - 1:08pm||Aren't you the asshole who…||
Aren't you the asshole who complained constantly that a bunch of offers for other targets weren't "committable" because it didn't fit your narrative? Also, Brian disliked McElwain for a lot of reasons, only about half of which had to do with his actual abilities as a coach, and virtually none to do with his ability to coach WRs. He had way more of an issue with him not being able to take a "joke" that someone said he humped a dead shark on a boat.
Also, do you have nothing else going on in your life than to follow offer sheets for recruits to Michigan and ONLY report on the ones you want to shit on?
|06/24/2018 - 12:50pm||Welcome aboard.||
|06/23/2018 - 9:38pm||I think you confuse "follow"…||
I think you confuse "follow" with "understand". I 100% believe you sit in front of your computer and click on 247 links and believe that makes you an expert, but considering just how many times you've been proven wrong or misinformed just this week, I'm not sure all that's translating.
|06/23/2018 - 6:14pm||Yeah, I still remember…||
Yeah, I still remember working in South Quad's cafeteria as a freshman and seeing the football players dine there. These guys were basically my age and yet they looked like a whole different type of human being. Just super tall, super broad guys who would be the biggest dude in a room in about 95% of the world.
|06/23/2018 - 4:32pm||Johnson absolutely looks…||
Johnson absolutely looks like a great athlete, and has the test scores to back it up. But St John's College is apparently one of the top teams in the country (I knew a guy who had gone to HS there and they were good at FB then, looking now they are top-15 per Maxpreps), so I'd counter that he's been just as well scouted as anyone else. And that Nike camp was a month ago; I don't know how often guys get re-evaluated on the services, but it wasn't like he earned the honors last week.
As for looking at the tapes, both highlight reels look about the same to me. Both guys pick some errant downfield passes off, tackle guys on screens and dump-offs, return some kicks, etc. These aren't towering DBs, but both seem to be moved around a bit to maximize their impact. If you've watch all-22 for a bunch of these guys then I defer to you, but trying to read too much from a 4-minute highlight reel (especially considering how quixotic HS defenses can be with disparate talent), then so be it.
|06/23/2018 - 4:05pm||I agree there is a place and…||
I agree there is a place and time to discuss a class holistically. But to be fair, the only "big picture" posts I've seen recently begin with a negative spin and then go off from there. I think there can be a constructive discussion, but so often it's people who look at starz, count them up, compare them to OSU and Alabama, and then get mad people aren't on the same "Michigan is screwed forever but hey I'm still a fan and don't get mad I'm just being real" jag because they don't want to totally give up their seat on the bandwagon in the event things turn out fine.
|06/23/2018 - 4:01pm||Nice breakdown. I continue…||
Nice breakdown. I continue to be amazed HS-aged kids can be that big.
|06/23/2018 - 2:43pm||I responded to your comment…||
I responded to your comment that "We are recruiting like Minnesota, Kentucky and Kansas State and yet we wonder why we can't beat Ohio State."
We are not, in fact, recruiting like those schools. I also don't know what qualifies as recruiting "well" anymore around here. There are a finite number of highly regarded recruits in this country, and Michigan will get some of them and others they will lose out on. Apparently I'm insane because I'm not that bent out of shape that Michigan seems to be recruiting kids in a way that Don Brown has done before, and are in on some solid recruits going forward.
But Jim Harbaugh's first couple of years were built on Hoke's later classes, which were ranked reasonably high (two top 10, then a top 20) but which, by the time they actually got to Harbaugh, well hollowed out by injuries, misses, etc. The top-half of those classes had some studs (Peppers, Lewis, Charlton) and a ton of misses. And yet, Michigan came within a couple of plays of beating OSU the past 2 years, and unlike under Hoke this staff does feel like it has a plan and is recruiting to it, as opposed to Hoke's "we can teach speed" and "who needs more than 3 offensive linemen" approach.
|06/23/2018 - 2:30pm||Either wouldn't be well…||
Either wouldn't be well-received by an angry, vocal minority. The rest wouldn't shit on kids who want to play at Michigan and seem like perfectly fine football players.
|06/23/2018 - 2:22pm||I knew that moment of self…||
I knew that moment of self-reflection was too good to be true.
I also noticed you said Quinten Johnson would be a good pickup for UM, while DJ Turner III, another 3-star with practically the same offer sheet and effectively the same national ranking at a similar position (Johnson is a safety at 190 lbs, Turner a corner at 170 but the same height), is a major reach. What is your logic here? And I'm being honest - where do you draw these distinctions between reaches and not, about players who fit whatever you feel a class needs and what don't. Because I'll be honest - what Michigan probably needs more are cornerbacks and not shorter safeties, which is why Turner seems like a better fit. Johnson, who seems like a solid ballhawk and a great athlete, would be considered a little short for a safety but I'm not sure if he'd be able to convert to cornerback at nearly 200 lbs. Maybe he becomes a RB?
Because at this point, I've given up expecting you not to be combative with your comments, but since you aren't going anywhere for a bit, might as well at least get a sense of what makes you tick.
|06/22/2018 - 10:02pm||Per 24/7, Michigan is…||
Per 24/7, Michigan is recruiting like...Texas, Auburn, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and PSU (ignoring teams like Minnesota and Purdue who have almost double the number of commits). It isn't up with OSU (though the gap isn't nearly as wide as people make it out to be), and that's an issue, but there are posters here who turn the hyperbole up to 11 because it's fun and makes them seem "real" when it's just the same annoying bullshit they complain about people being slappies.
People are saying "Don Brown built elite defenses on far worse talent than he's signing now, and these guys all seem to fit a mold, so let's roll with that and see where it goes. Yes, Harbaugh needs to recruit better, but for the past couple of weeks I kept hearing that Harbaugh has missed out on Belleville and was ignoring the state, and now he's signed a couple of good kids out of that program but apparently they aren't the "right" kids. Harbaugh also convinced the former #1 QB in the 2016 class to transfer to Michigan, and that should pay dividends this season to some degree, but apparently that doesn't matter either.
No rational fan would say this has been a great past year for Michigan. But there are a lot of people who get annoyed that after repeating this same point a dozen times, posters here say "we get it. What else do you have?" and aren't, I don't know, hailed as victors valiant.
Maybe this is the end for Harbaugh. Maybe Michigan is now a perpetual deathtrap for coaches, where good people go to suck and die on the vine. I don't know. Maybe all the decades of karma for the football team went to Beilein and the basketball program, and Michigan fans should settle into a long string of continued mediocrity. But good lord, we don't need to hear about how underwhelming something is to people here for the next 3 months, especially when that's all they have to add.
You've been vocal about your displeasure with Michigan recently (including the AD), but you've been coherent and open to discussion with your points. And that's the type of debate this place seems to do well with. But creating a thread where you shit on a kid likely to recruit because he isn't up to your standards isn't any piece of that.
|06/22/2018 - 8:41pm||But what's he's saying is…||
But what's he's saying is the same thing we've all heard and it feels unnecessary and also mislewding. Also, two 4* kids have committed in the past couple of months (McNamara and Jones), so you see the problem I have with his constant rants. There is always a kernel of truth to them, but it's filtered through a fine layer of bullshit and anger that, well, he's lost the benefit of the doubt with me (and it seems others) that he's worth listening to. YMMV, but whatever trivial amount of information he beings is greatly outweighed by the shitty persona delivering it. I can Google just as well and get the same info, and at least my browser doesn't doggedly keep repeating falsehoods because it's mad.
|06/22/2018 - 8:21pm||I like the renewed focus on…||
I like the renewed focus on speed, and Seldon looks to be a nice addition. Welcome aboard.
|06/22/2018 - 7:53pm||See, if you actually acted…||
See, if you actually acted this way all the time people would respond to you better. But it's also wildly misleading to suddenly show some moderation after doing things like shit on kids when they commit, which you've done a bunch of times. You may love Michigan (I think you like a winner, and for a long time that's been Michigan), but it feels legit your feelings. But you have a really weird tact for trying to convey that.
|06/22/2018 - 7:47pm||My issue with him, beyond…||
My issue with him, beyond the asshole petulance and limited value of his posts (which are as often as not incorrect factually or contextually misleading), is that he doesn't take his lumps when he's wrong. Nobody thinks Michigan is doing fantastically, but to dwell in the negative the way he does is annoying and petulant. He used to shit constantly on Beilein, stopped when they made their first run, then complained once they struggled a bit, then was quiet again the past two years when they started to win. He would question the coaches, the players, make veiled references to recruiting possibly having racial undertones, etc. So he never enjoyed the positive but was quick to complain about the negative.
Also, he made a post today to shit on a kid looking to commit. It's a bad look for the site and a shitty thing to do to a teenager committing to a school you claim to like.
But this has been an issue for a couple weeks now and the mods haven't done anything, so my guess is they don't really care all that much in the short term. To me, MGoBlog is fun because it's pretty optimistic, and when someone is an asshole for the sake of it, that's a downer and makes the place less enjoyable for no real gain.
|06/22/2018 - 2:06pm||As noted below, you might…||
As noted below, you might want to "take your L" and go home yourself, you condescending asshole. Because he was the #1 Athlete, not the #1 overall. But of course, that took me a couple of minutes to look up, while being wrong took you barely any time at all.
|06/22/2018 - 2:03pm||And to his credit, he does…||
And to his credit, he does have an intense desire to be angry all the time and puts in the research to find the worst possible take on a recruit or Michigan generally. Like, he went to Hudson's wikipedia page, found the one line that supported his point (despite being wrong - Hudson was the #1 ATHLETE in PA when he committed; a couple of guys were higher rated at specific positions), and then premised his whole argument on that.
|06/22/2018 - 2:02pm||He was ranked as the #1 ATH…||
He was ranked as the #1 ATH in PA per Scout, not overall. Sanders and a couple of other guys were ranked higher. Shockingly, hastily dashed-off articles about recruits can miss some important facts, something you are intimately aware of being terrible and all.
|06/22/2018 - 1:19pm||Welcome aboard.||
|06/22/2018 - 1:18pm||Michigan's offense is not…||
Michigan's offense is not any more predicated on dominating the guy across them than any other offense. If anything, it's predicated on misdirection pre-snap and then executing relatively simple blocking schemes quickly. It's not any more 3 yards and a cloud of dust than anyone else with a "pro-style" offense. It benefits having speed at the skill position, I guess, but that's also true for any unit.
I also don't know why you are bringing up Rich Rod as a comparison, since Michigan's offensive teams during that era were pretty talented (beyond Denard, he had linemen like Lewan, Molk, Schilling, and Schofield, and a couple of receivers late), while their defenses were down despite taking a good number of highly-rated defensive players.
Oh wait, this is Bluey I'm responding to?
Nevermind. Carry on being angry at the world.
|06/22/2018 - 1:01pm||Can we just crater Bluey for…||
Can we just crater Bluey for a bit? It's one thing to be an asshole in the comments, but creating a commitment thread to shit on a guy is unnecessary. This site inexplicably has given him/Maizen a long leash before, but he can't be worth the hassle.
|06/22/2018 - 12:51pm||It's Bluey - he doesn't have…||
It's Bluey - he doesn't have an mode other than "unnecessary asshole."
|06/21/2018 - 10:32pm||Bilas really does seem to…||
Bilas really does seem to have a general distaste for Michigan players, which is weird since Beilein runs a really clean program and seems to embody a lot of the ideals Bilas otherwise approves of.
I agree that Wagner isn't a great athlete and that will be a limitation, but you look at big men being picked at the tail end of the first round and they all have questions. Robert Williams, the PF from A&M who went a couple of picks after Mo, had a con of "Doesn't have a consistent means of scoring. " That's sort of a problem in the NBA. If Wagner was more athletic, he'd have been a top-5 pick. But considering Wagner went from barely on the radar to a first-rounder in a year, and his continued maturation as he ages (he's still not even 21), you'd think a guy like Bilas would recognize the potential a bit more.
|06/21/2018 - 10:29pm||I do wonder what they do…||
I do wonder what they do with guys like Randle and Kuzma. I doubt they get James and George together, but PG along with a couple of bigs who can shoot isn't the worst lineup in the world in the West.
|06/21/2018 - 10:26pm||He's probably not going to…||
He's probably not going to be a star in the NBA, and might struggle to be a starter on a good team, but Mo's a great pick at 28 for a team that could use a big man who can shoot a little. Kuzma has a good outside shot at the 4, and Wagner would give them the same ability as a shooter off the bench.
|06/21/2018 - 10:19pm||Lakers getting a little…||
Lakers getting a little interesting. I do wonder if he gets traded as part of a bigger package, but that's not a bad place for a guy like Moe who can stretch the floor a bit.