No longer a Michigan fan. Michigan just hired a coach who quit on them when he took the ND DC position a while back. I can't cheer for a team that hires a coach who turned his back on Michigan before. Where's the integrity that Michigan claims to have?
All your points about Mattison are duelly noted,HOWEVER Mattison turned his back on Carr and what he was trying to build as a new coach, He left for the same position with one of our rivals. I guess that slogan "Those who stay will be champions" didn't really resonate with him. He left for all those reasons you gave and might have been the right decision for him at the time , but shouldn't be aloud to come back again. Would Bo hire Frieder back?
A bit of sarcasm with using that term Michigan Man. It has been drum beated against RR so I mentioned it about Mattison. RR left his alma mater and a secure HC position at West Virginia because Michigan called.He gave up alot. He wasn't regarded as a "Michigan Man" by some whatever he did and how badly he wanted to stay as coach. How silly some of you Mich fans are. Mattison turned his back on Carr, makes a lateral move to one of our rivals and you give him a pass. Lets be consistant . Mattison is NOT a Michigan Man.
In regards to the hurry up offense that Auburn likes to use. I was watching one of Auburn's games and heard a commentator I think it was Danielson talk about the fast pace offense. He talked with the offensive coodrinator who said that he doesn't use the hurry up offense until they get a first down.They speed it up after that. It allows the defense more rest in case they go three and out after the initial first down.
Agree totally. Make the divisions geographically based and call them East and West. Why have Mich and OSU in different division?. They could possibly play last regular game of season and then play the next week in championship game. It would diminish the rivalry game a bit.
What is the reasoning with letting RR go at this juncture to replace with JH? JH has neither been an offensive or defensive coordinator. JH was an offensive player in college and pros(qb) RR was a defensive player in college(db). The area of major concern is the defense. To assume that JH knows more about defense and how to correct it that RR is unfounded. If a HC change is made it will be made because of the defense but will also end up changing an offense that will only get better next year and will be on par with the best next year .
I consider Big Ten offenses in question on whether 3-3-5 can work against are: primarily Wisconsin,Iowa,Penn State,MSU. They run more traditional run oriented offenses with blocking tight ends,sometimes two or three,fullbacks,and big physical running backs. It just seems like against teams like that using 5 defensive backs is not a good idea,plus having just 3 down linemen would make the D line undermanned. Use the 3-3-5 against spread offenses and four down line and traditional back seven against the other teams. It will be interesting to see in Rose Bowl game with an excellent TCU defense that runs 3-3-5 going up against Wisconsin.
So Bo must have been wrong according to you. If there isn't a set number of years like four that Bo said it takes to judge a coach than It will be based on three years instead by your standard.
Here's another one to look at. Kirk Ferentz's first three years at Iowa was 1-10,3-9,and 7-5. He has been considered by most as an excellent coach at Iowa. Should he have been fired after those three seasons?If so Iowa might not have went 11-2 in his fourth season and woudn't have compiled a 88-57 record.
Yes no one can answer for sure WWBD. It's been documented though,that is what he believed and three years is not enough time. RR track record by the way is that he has turned around every program where he was a head coach.
Just pointing out facts and data. The fact that Illinois was a losing program before he arrived makes my point even more that Bo was right and that Moeller should have been given another year since it was a harder program to turn around. Here is some more data. Duke head coach Mike K's record his first three years at Duke was a stellar 38-47. By your standard he should have been fired right? Here merely went on after that to win 4 national championships. Hmmm. What's up with that? Duke's record before coach K the three season's prior to his arrival was 73-24. So coach K took a highly successfull and winning program and took it to mediocrity in his first three years, but was still given more time and the next season turned his program into a continual winner.
It's a business,Michigan athletics that is and especially Michigan football. Wins and losses is what many fans care about. Michigan could be 12-0 and win every game like 10-9 and as long as they win that would be the main thing. If RR is let go it will be about business that is all.Didn't win enough. It is kind of unfair only because RR is a good person and works hard to get this program successfull and still might not be given enough time (another year) because fans are getting too impatient because of lack of wins and lack of wins of rivalry games.
I didn't say or act like I knew what Bo would do. I ASKED a question or two what he would do. I mentioned Moeller's record because in three years at Illinois he had a very poor winning percentage (6-24-3) yet Bo thought Illinois let him go too early. Don't see what is so unique in this situation as others.
What would Bo do if it was his decision to retain RR for another season? When Moeller was fired from the head coaching position at Illinois after THREE seasons his record was 6-24-3 . Bo however believed that Moeller deserved more time to be successfull and was fired prematurely because he wasn't able to coach his initial recruits through their senior season. So another question is was Bo wrong about this?
The media in the Detroit area has been over the top obnoxious and childish about every thing RR says . They really are disgusting and mostly a bunch of losers.
It would be best thing for DR. He probably wanted to qb for Miami,but wasn't recruited at that position. So now he could play close to home, after transferring and after their other qb graduates next year. RR would be able to plug him right into his offense again for two more years.
That is funny. Bo was a great coach,but one thing he didn't have was grace when coaching. He was more a bull in a china shop. Moeller went Moeller probably because of the rediculously obnoxious, whiny,arrogant fans out there who act like cock roaches when the season doesn't go right and helped him to have a melt down.
If he isn't retained here I hope one of those two teams hires him the next day. DR decides to transfer and become qb after Miami's qb leaves after next year.
I don't think just a win would change anything. I was referring to a totally dominating performance(probably unlikely) where the offense is totally off the charts efficient ,and explosive scoring points at will.The defense is stout beyond anyone's imagination with interceptions and forced fumbles and plenty of three and outs,and pitch a shut out good.
Would hiring Harbaugh been an attractive choice two or three years ago when Stanford had a losing record? It takes time to turn programs around especially when you change the offense so dramatically. People have to realize that hiring a coach that has a 11-1 record now doesn't necessarily mean the next year will have the same result. There is a process.
Agree he has shown good character through all the adversity. Even after OSU game, although being ticked off,he remained positive about the direction of the program and remained undeterred that he will achieve success.
Winning a bowl game should not matter. If however they were to play someone like Oklahoma or Oklahoma State and blow them out like 48-0 would it change people's minds?
It should be easy,but it didn't get corrected during the season. It got worse. TO's and the bad special teams especially the kicking part were detrimental to the team. It killed momentum numerous times and put unnecessary burden on a already defficient defense with very poor field position.
I watched the Illinois game on BT network again. Brian Griese was the commentator and he said the sky is the limit for this offense. I would like to see the O's finished product. They need to get better kicking, stop turning over the ball, and grow up on D. I would give RR one more year. There shouldn't be any excuse after next year.
He's a good player,but if he wants to play DE he should never lose contain to the outside. When he rushes in he needs to be more in control and flush play to the inside.
Did anyone notice when Forcier threw the interception at the start of the third quarter?It was actually dropped by the defender and wasn't a turnover. Michigan should have delayed going on the field with their D so the review booth could have more time to look at the play. I noticed that OSU did that when there was an apparent fumble by them . Michigan was on the field getting ready to run a play,but OSU didn't have their team on the field. I think they purposely delayed so the review booth could get a good look at the play.
Did anyone notice when Forcier threw the interception at the start of the third quarter?It was actually dropped by the defender and wasn't a turnover. Michigan should have delayed going on the field with their D so the review booth could have more time to look at the play. I noticed that OSU did that when there was an apparent fumble by them . Michigan was on the field getting ready to run a play,but OSU didn't have their team on the field. I think they purposely delayed so the review booth could get a good look at the play.
Wonder how the weather will factor in to the game? It is supposed to be mid thirties and sunny but windy. It will probably be challenge to throw the ball with accuracy so it might affect both teams passing games. That might help Michigan's D,but also affect our offense's production.
There is alot of people who are pulling for RR and want him and team to succeed. Don't want to see him fired and willing to give him another year. There is plenty of noise on the radio that is dominating the airwaves that wants to see him gone,but there are plenty that want him to stay. They just want this defense fixed like yesterday.
I've been impressed with receiver Grady. I think he can step in and do a good job in place of Stonum. With all these injuries the offense has to step up even more and hopefully score t.d's on every possible possession.
Yes it is possible because the Rose Bowl might not take Stanford to play this year. If MSU doesn't go to the Rose Bowl than they could conceivably play each other since they are both in the top ten.
He has a bad attitude. His best receiver drops a sure t.d. and the first thing he does is take off his helmut. He has alot of talent but doesn't act much like a team player.
I thought it was premature and gave Wisc. a short field,which they capitalized on by scoring another t.d. Should have kicked deep because we had some momentum after our score. We gave it right back to them with the onside. It was like a turnover because they got the ball in our territory with a short field.
This team still needs bigger,faster and better running backs. Not much production from them,which would give the offense another threat. DR needs to get better with his throws.He missed wide open receiver early in game that would have been a t.d. Receivers are very good,but they drop passes a little too much and need to make receptions to keep drives alive. The defense needs to get bigger ,faster and older.. Need more depth at D line and linebacker. The special teams need vast improvement especially at kicker. I was listening to the game on the radio and the announcers said that after our kicker missed the short field goal it looked like it demoralized the D. A good kicker is very important to the team. It can cost you a couple of wins a year .
So far this season we've seen Indiana lose to Iowa after their receiver dropped a sure touchdown pass. Northwestern had a 17 point lead on MSU,who beat Wisc.and got blown out by Iowa. Minnesota beat Illinois,who blew out Penn State. Northwestern had a 21-0 lead on Penn State before losing. Penn State had a 14-3 lead on Ohio State before losing. Anything can happen.
Wonder if Lewan got injured on the play when he picked up the Smith fumble? I saw the replay and it looked like he landed hard and hit his head on the turf.
It would be Michigan because they would have beaten the seventh ranked and ninth ranked teams and would move up past them. The other Big Ten teams such as Iowa and Mich.St. having lost ,would drop too. Northwestern and Penn State would be behind Mich. too because winning their last two games would not give them enough to overcome Michigan's last two quality wins.
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No longer a Michigan fan. Michigan just hired a coach who quit on them when he took the ND DC position a while back. I can't cheer for a team that hires a coach who turned his back on Michigan before. Where's the integrity that Michigan claims to have?
All your points about Mattison are duelly noted,HOWEVER Mattison turned his back on Carr and what he was trying to build as a new coach, He left for the same position with one of our rivals. I guess that slogan "Those who stay will be champions" didn't really resonate with him. He left for all those reasons you gave and might have been the right decision for him at the time , but shouldn't be aloud to come back again. Would Bo hire Frieder back?
A bit of sarcasm with using that term Michigan Man. It has been drum beated against RR so I mentioned it about Mattison. RR left his alma mater and a secure HC position at West Virginia because Michigan called.He gave up alot. He wasn't regarded as a "Michigan Man" by some whatever he did and how badly he wanted to stay as coach. How silly some of you Mich fans are. Mattison turned his back on Carr, makes a lateral move to one of our rivals and you give him a pass. Lets be consistant . Mattison is NOT a Michigan Man.
Mattison was Michigan's DC and left to become Notre Dame's DC. That should disqualify him . He's not a Michigan man.
What inside information and proof do you have that RR "stepped away " from the defense?
The ten year war: Bo vs Woody.
In regards to the hurry up offense that Auburn likes to use. I was watching one of Auburn's games and heard a commentator I think it was Danielson talk about the fast pace offense. He talked with the offensive coodrinator who said that he doesn't use the hurry up offense until they get a first down.They speed it up after that. It allows the defense more rest in case they go three and out after the initial first down.
Agree totally. Make the divisions geographically based and call them East and West. Why have Mich and OSU in different division?. They could possibly play last regular game of season and then play the next week in championship game. It would diminish the rivalry game a bit.
What is the reasoning with letting RR go at this juncture to replace with JH? JH has neither been an offensive or defensive coordinator. JH was an offensive player in college and pros(qb) RR was a defensive player in college(db). The area of major concern is the defense. To assume that JH knows more about defense and how to correct it that RR is unfounded. If a HC change is made it will be made because of the defense but will also end up changing an offense that will only get better next year and will be on par with the best next year .
Yes I read your comment. Did you read mine? I said Bo thought it took 4 years to "JUDGE " a coach on his program.
I consider Big Ten offenses in question on whether 3-3-5 can work against are: primarily Wisconsin,Iowa,Penn State,MSU. They run more traditional run oriented offenses with blocking tight ends,sometimes two or three,fullbacks,and big physical running backs. It just seems like against teams like that using 5 defensive backs is not a good idea,plus having just 3 down linemen would make the D line undermanned. Use the 3-3-5 against spread offenses and four down line and traditional back seven against the other teams. It will be interesting to see in Rose Bowl game with an excellent TCU defense that runs 3-3-5 going up against Wisconsin.
So Bo must have been wrong according to you. If there isn't a set number of years like four that Bo said it takes to judge a coach than It will be based on three years instead by your standard.
Here's another one to look at. Kirk Ferentz's first three years at Iowa was 1-10,3-9,and 7-5. He has been considered by most as an excellent coach at Iowa. Should he have been fired after those three seasons?If so Iowa might not have went 11-2 in his fourth season and woudn't have compiled a 88-57 record.
Yes no one can answer for sure WWBD. It's been documented though,that is what he believed and three years is not enough time. RR track record by the way is that he has turned around every program where he was a head coach.
Just pointing out facts and data. The fact that Illinois was a losing program before he arrived makes my point even more that Bo was right and that Moeller should have been given another year since it was a harder program to turn around. Here is some more data. Duke head coach Mike K's record his first three years at Duke was a stellar 38-47. By your standard he should have been fired right? Here merely went on after that to win 4 national championships. Hmmm. What's up with that? Duke's record before coach K the three season's prior to his arrival was 73-24. So coach K took a highly successfull and winning program and took it to mediocrity in his first three years, but was still given more time and the next season turned his program into a continual winner.
It's a business,Michigan athletics that is and especially Michigan football. Wins and losses is what many fans care about. Michigan could be 12-0 and win every game like 10-9 and as long as they win that would be the main thing. If RR is let go it will be about business that is all.Didn't win enough. It is kind of unfair only because RR is a good person and works hard to get this program successfull and still might not be given enough time (another year) because fans are getting too impatient because of lack of wins and lack of wins of rivalry games.
I didn't say or act like I knew what Bo would do. I ASKED a question or two what he would do. I mentioned Moeller's record because in three years at Illinois he had a very poor winning percentage (6-24-3) yet Bo thought Illinois let him go too early. Don't see what is so unique in this situation as others.
What would Bo do if it was his decision to retain RR for another season? When Moeller was fired from the head coaching position at Illinois after THREE seasons his record was 6-24-3 . Bo however believed that Moeller deserved more time to be successfull and was fired prematurely because he wasn't able to coach his initial recruits through their senior season. So another question is was Bo wrong about this?
The media in the Detroit area has been over the top obnoxious and childish about every thing RR says . They really are disgusting and mostly a bunch of losers.
If Illinois blows out Fresno will it make the Michigan victory look better and help RR ?
What no mug shot after JH's DUI?
It would be best thing for DR. He probably wanted to qb for Miami,but wasn't recruited at that position. So now he could play close to home, after transferring and after their other qb graduates next year. RR would be able to plug him right into his offense again for two more years.
That is funny. Bo was a great coach,but one thing he didn't have was grace when coaching. He was more a bull in a china shop. Moeller went Moeller probably because of the rediculously obnoxious, whiny,arrogant fans out there who act like cock roaches when the season doesn't go right and helped him to have a melt down.
If he isn't retained here I hope one of those two teams hires him the next day. DR decides to transfer and become qb after Miami's qb leaves after next year.
Foster reminds me of a fat Buddha with glasses. He's embarassing.
I don't think just a win would change anything. I was referring to a totally dominating performance(probably unlikely) where the offense is totally off the charts efficient ,and explosive scoring points at will.The defense is stout beyond anyone's imagination with interceptions and forced fumbles and plenty of three and outs,and pitch a shut out good.
Would hiring Harbaugh been an attractive choice two or three years ago when Stanford had a losing record? It takes time to turn programs around especially when you change the offense so dramatically. People have to realize that hiring a coach that has a 11-1 record now doesn't necessarily mean the next year will have the same result. There is a process.
Agree he has shown good character through all the adversity. Even after OSU game, although being ticked off,he remained positive about the direction of the program and remained undeterred that he will achieve success.
Winning a bowl game should not matter. If however they were to play someone like Oklahoma or Oklahoma State and blow them out like 48-0 would it change people's minds?
The unforced errors have been drive stoppers,point erasures,and momentum killers.
It should be easy,but it didn't get corrected during the season. It got worse. TO's and the bad special teams especially the kicking part were detrimental to the team. It killed momentum numerous times and put unnecessary burden on a already defficient defense with very poor field position.
I watched the Illinois game on BT network again. Brian Griese was the commentator and he said the sky is the limit for this offense. I would like to see the O's finished product. They need to get better kicking, stop turning over the ball, and grow up on D. I would give RR one more year. There shouldn't be any excuse after next year.
He's a good player,but if he wants to play DE he should never lose contain to the outside. When he rushes in he needs to be more in control and flush play to the inside.
Did anyone notice when Forcier threw the interception at the start of the third quarter?It was actually dropped by the defender and wasn't a turnover. Michigan should have delayed going on the field with their D so the review booth could have more time to look at the play. I noticed that OSU did that when there was an apparent fumble by them . Michigan was on the field getting ready to run a play,but OSU didn't have their team on the field. I think they purposely delayed so the review booth could get a good look at the play.
Did anyone notice when Forcier threw the interception at the start of the third quarter?It was actually dropped by the defender and wasn't a turnover. Michigan should have delayed going on the field with their D so the review booth could have more time to look at the play. I noticed that OSU did that when there was an apparent fumble by them . Michigan was on the field getting ready to run a play,but OSU didn't have their team on the field. I think they purposely delayed so the review booth could get a good look at the play.
Wonder how the weather will factor in to the game? It is supposed to be mid thirties and sunny but windy. It will probably be challenge to throw the ball with accuracy so it might affect both teams passing games. That might help Michigan's D,but also affect our offense's production.
There is alot of people who are pulling for RR and want him and team to succeed. Don't want to see him fired and willing to give him another year. There is plenty of noise on the radio that is dominating the airwaves that wants to see him gone,but there are plenty that want him to stay. They just want this defense fixed like yesterday.
Didn't he predict U.Conn. winning the Big East?
I've been impressed with receiver Grady. I think he can step in and do a good job in place of Stonum. With all these injuries the offense has to step up even more and hopefully score t.d's on every possible possession.
Yes it is possible because the Rose Bowl might not take Stanford to play this year. If MSU doesn't go to the Rose Bowl than they could conceivably play each other since they are both in the top ten.
I think all of us fans have felt exactly like RR in that video.
Where is RR head set? Did he throw it somewhere?
For Michigan to stay in the game the offense needs to execute and try to outscore them as usual.
I merely posted comments about what I noticed about the game and what I think the team needs. No need to cop an attitude,loser.
He has a bad attitude. His best receiver drops a sure t.d. and the first thing he does is take off his helmut. He has alot of talent but doesn't act much like a team player.
I thought it was premature and gave Wisc. a short field,which they capitalized on by scoring another t.d. Should have kicked deep because we had some momentum after our score. We gave it right back to them with the onside. It was like a turnover because they got the ball in our territory with a short field.
This team still needs bigger,faster and better running backs. Not much production from them,which would give the offense another threat. DR needs to get better with his throws.He missed wide open receiver early in game that would have been a t.d. Receivers are very good,but they drop passes a little too much and need to make receptions to keep drives alive. The defense needs to get bigger ,faster and older.. Need more depth at D line and linebacker. The special teams need vast improvement especially at kicker. I was listening to the game on the radio and the announcers said that after our kicker missed the short field goal it looked like it demoralized the D. A good kicker is very important to the team. It can cost you a couple of wins a year .
So far this season we've seen Indiana lose to Iowa after their receiver dropped a sure touchdown pass. Northwestern had a 17 point lead on MSU,who beat Wisc.and got blown out by Iowa. Minnesota beat Illinois,who blew out Penn State. Northwestern had a 21-0 lead on Penn State before losing. Penn State had a 14-3 lead on Ohio State before losing. Anything can happen.
Wonder if Lewan got injured on the play when he picked up the Smith fumble? I saw the replay and it looked like he landed hard and hit his head on the turf.
It would be Michigan because they would have beaten the seventh ranked and ninth ranked teams and would move up past them. The other Big Ten teams such as Iowa and Mich.St. having lost ,would drop too. Northwestern and Penn State would be behind Mich. too because winning their last two games would not give them enough to overcome Michigan's last two quality wins.