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September 16th, 2011 at 10:35 AM ^

First, Bud, thanks for doing this!

Second, do you have an educated guess you can share as to where Taco might end up being rated?  I am in the "I Am A Dope" category when it comes to guessing next-level potential for kids and always appreciate a little help from someone with some actual talent for it.

I do rate him very highly for his excellent nickname, of course.


September 16th, 2011 at 10:42 AM ^

Not sure where Charlton will end up rated. He's one of those kids who will get a lot of offers based on his future potential (he's raw; only played for a couple years). Those kids also usually have a lot of variance in where they're ranked.

I'd say he's a high 3*/low 4* type similar to how Ojemudia is rated in 2012.

True Blue Grit

September 16th, 2011 at 10:53 AM ^

I was surprised to see Wyatt Shallman's 40 time at 4.95.  I've read elsewhere he was more in the 4.7 range.  If it is 4.95, that's more DE speed than RB.  But generally, I'd like to see us getting some more offers out to elite running backs.  I'm sure the coaches are working on it when time allows. 


September 16th, 2011 at 11:28 AM ^

If the 4.95 is legit, as in it's laser-timed, then I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Any kid who weighs 255lbs won't be running much under 4.95 before his junior season unless he's a total freak.  Brionte Dunn runs about a 4.7 and he's a year older and weighs 40 pounds less. 

I'd expect Shallman to run in the 4.8 range as a senior, and that's plenty fast for a guy that size.  Ron Dayne and Jerome Bettis weren't outrunning DBs, Shallman doesn't need to either.


September 16th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^

First of all - what is "around" 4.5? 4.6? Either way, we're not talking about what Shallman will run after college, we're talking about what he'll run before college, as a recruit. I don't expect Wyatt Shallman to run as a 17 year old what Ron Dayne ran at the NFL combine.

EDIT:  According to this website:

it says that Ron Dayne ran a 4.65 pre-draft.  I'm not sure if that's pro day or combine, but that's what is listed.  I can't find any definitive from Bettis but most of the stuff I've seen show him closer to the 4.5 you suggest. 

Either way, these are times taken just months before those guys were taken 11th and 10th, respectively in the NFL draft.  Shallman right now is a 255lb 16 year old.  To put things into persepctive a little, here are some NFL combine times for RBs you might find interesting:

Allen Bradford, USC - 4.58
Knowshon Moreno, UGA - 4.62
Javon Ringer, MSU - 4.60
Beanie Wells, OSU - 4.59

Those are all good college running backs who are much smaller than Shallman who ran in the 4.6 range after college.  If Shallman is running a 4.7 as an upperclassman he'll be very good and if he's running a 4.6 then he'll be a first round draft pick.  So if he's running a 4.8 or so by the time he shows up I'm cool with that.


September 16th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^

Wouldn't surprise me if we did since we're almost certainly not taking one in 2012.

If we don't, 2013 depth would consist of:

Devin Gardner (Sr. (or RJr.))
Russell Bellomy (RSo.)
Shane Morris (Fr.)

Landing a decent QB in the same class as a 5* kid is easier said then done of course.


September 16th, 2011 at 11:32 AM ^

I had just started building this today myself.  I listened to the Recruiting Round Up this morning and knew it was time.

I guess great minds think alike.  You beat me to it.



September 16th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^

LOL. Definitely on the same page.

Also while you're here, thank you for drawing up the table in the 2012 list. Made things a lot easier for me doing this since I only had to c&p that post and go from there. Would have been lost trying to do that from scratch.


September 16th, 2011 at 11:34 AM ^

with how many defensive players particularly linebackers that we took in this class..  is anyone a bit surprised at how few offers we have on the offensive side of the ball?


EDIT:  I know it's early and stuff but man we really need some wrs and rbs next year in a bad way especially with the way that our current class is composed (yes i know we'll at least get 1 wr and probably 2 but even then we'll probably still take another 2 wrs next year).  


September 16th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^

We still don't know how many WRs we'll take in this class, so if we take 2, we'll be looking at 1-2 in the next class.  We have a couple offers out to receivers and a couple more that we're high on (Treadwell comes to mind).  It's really not good or all that important to throw out many offers before the previous class signs, except to the guys you want no matter what. 

EDIT:  Also keep in mind that the likelihood of a guy committing affects how many other guys at his position get offers.  For example, if the coaches like Shallman, think it's likely that he'll commit, and only plan on taking one or two running backs, then there's not much of a need to offer more guys.  RB is still a big ? in 2012, and once that gets resolved one way or another we'll have a better read on who we should offer for 2013.  If Dunn or Garmon go blue, then we might not need to offer more than just Shallman.


September 16th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^

and I didn't exactly like what RR was doing completely ignoring the lines but I almost feel that Hoke and company are focusing too much on defense and that our offensive recruting is kind of being neglected.  I guess I should just wait to see how this class and next class end up before I start making assumptions.  


September 16th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^

I think you should wait until NSD to find out whether positions are being neglected or not.  Rodriguez offered lots of linemen, but he didn't pull them in (for whatever reason).  Meanwhile, Hoke offered 7 safeties in the class of 2012 so far, and 2 of them have committed.


September 16th, 2011 at 1:48 PM ^

A couple points to retort that:

Our offense has been good and our defense bad the last couple years. Maybe we need more help on defense? Also, more of our attrition has been on defense - Turner, Dorsey, CC, Vinopal, Kellen Jones, LaLota, Talbott, I'm sure there are more. Right now, our D is behind the O in both quantity and quality. I'm glad he's focusing on the D.

Also, both our HC and our top recruiter (Mattison) are defensive guys. It's not a surprise that those guys both prefer and appeal to defensive recruits. Most teams are stronger on one side of the ball than the other. I would expect that to be defense for us under Hoke.

All that said, we have commitments from 5 OL and 2 TE in this class already, plus a much needed FB, most of whom are highly rated a sought after. And be patients, it sounds like this class will have one, maybe two more defensive commits and the rest will be offense. Bringing in 11-12 offensive commits in one class is hardly neglect.


September 16th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^

After the night game Michigan is in good standing with Elmer, it seems his top 3 are Michigan, ND and I think Wisconsin.  MSU has slipped down a notch below those 3 and doesn't seem to be recruiting him as hard as the others listed have.  3 soild academic schools with good football history he is choosing from though.


September 17th, 2011 at 4:32 AM ^

Never posted a link here, but this is a non-paywalled 247 article that says Elmer has a leader.  It also sounds like he may be looking to end this sooner rather than later.  Elmer doesn't state who the leader is, but you can probably figure it out, with all the other info out there.


September 16th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^

Has anyone heard any scuttlebutt regarding Tristan Nickelson? I know it's tough to steal a kid like that from Texas, but he sure is an intriguing prospect.


Big thanks to wlubd for putting this all together for us. It makes life so much easier . . . .


September 16th, 2011 at 2:39 PM ^

the Lines takes time to develop phsyically, skill positions you can get guys who can step into the 2 deep as freshmen more easily.  so yeah we might be light at WR in 13 but if we get 1 this year and 2 next year i'm not too worried.  they will only have 5-6 scholies on the roster i'm guessing going forward.


September 16th, 2011 at 4:43 PM ^

I left Clark on the 2012 list since he is a 2012 kid, just with a promise of a scholarship in 2013. Truthfully it would be most accurate not to include him in either list since he'd initially be a preferred walk-on. Just my 2 cents.


September 16th, 2011 at 11:22 PM ^

With the jumpstart in verbal commits Hoke & Co. have on 2013, I have definitely been curious about the other offers.  Can't wait for the rest of the intial rankings to come out.  Saw commentaries on ESPN Recruiting today about a potential early signing period.  I think this could be extremely beneficial to U of M recruiting to sign future kids early, and not have to worry about verbal commitments changing at a later point in time.