Maize and Blue…

March 31st, 2010 at 3:37 PM ^

When I took my visiting mother to see the first Batman movie tickets were 8 bucks. Insurance on my Cavalier Z24 was $304/year despite a perfect driving record. Housing started at $300,000 plus and you weren't getting much. Of course this was back in the late 80s early 90s.

4godkingandwol…

March 31st, 2010 at 7:45 PM ^

... on this site.

http://swz.salary.com/costoflivingwizard/layoutscripts/coll_result.asp?…

It claims that the actual cost of living increase is about 1.6 between Lansing and LA (couldn't find Mt. Pleasant, so maybe 1.8). But then it also shows that the average increase in salary for someone with the same skill level is only 8%. Which means you have a lot less money to throw around if you have the "privilege" to live in LA.

Site's got graphs and stuff, so it must be legit, right?

WolvinLA2

March 31st, 2010 at 4:02 PM ^

1.5 is way low. Let's say the Zeiglers have a pretty nice house in MP worth 400K. This would be a pretty nice home in almost any part of MI. 600k in LA gets you 1200 sq ft (and no basement) in an average neighborhood. A comparable home would cost you over a million, no doubt.

benjamin

March 31st, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

Like others have pointed out.

Why would he want to be an assistant at UCLA for a second time over being a head coach for the first time?

UMHoops was reporting that he is inking a 4-year extension.

This 'E. Zeigler back to UCLA' must be just a rumor.

dahblue

March 31st, 2010 at 3:24 PM ^

I certainly hope it doesn't happen, but it is possible for multiple reasons:

-LA v. Mt Pleasant
-Coaching his son on a bigger stage (one that could help Trey's career more CMU)
-Money

Hard to say what factors are considered. I'm just saying that I've heard, from very good sources, that the wildcard in the Zeigler recruitment would be if his dad were lured away from CMU to take an assistant job elsewhere.

dahblue

March 31st, 2010 at 6:59 PM ^

So do the negative points mean that folks hope Ernie and Trey end up at UCLA?
Or do they mean that location, family and money have nothing to do with a coaching move?
Or do they mean that folks with actual insight into recruiting info shouldn't post here?

BigBlue02

March 31st, 2010 at 7:31 PM ^

Your "actual insight into recruiting info" was posting a link to a guy who basically says he has no knowledge of the situation other than UCLA would like a best case scenario of getting both Zeigler's there. Really? I could post the exact same thing and insert any of the schools going after Zeigler - would you think that was actual insight? I wouldn't - I would call that obvious.

dahblue

April 1st, 2010 at 12:17 AM ^

Actually, my insight comes from very high level D-I athletic department personnel who would know what's going on. The link I posted raised a red flag as it mirrored the one concern I've been told could be an issue with Trey's recruitment. If someone else has better sources than me, feel free to share info. If you want to throw negatives points, so be it. Doesn't exactly increase the flow of info though, does it?

DeuceInTheDeuce

March 31st, 2010 at 8:48 PM ^

Trey may well choose UCLA, but consider:

1. The chances Ernie gets fired in the next two weeks: Close to zero

2. The chances a mid-major head coach (that wasn't recently fired) leaves to be an assistant coach: Very Slim

3. The chances that Ernie would be significantly better off financially, all things considered, as a UCLA assistant: Slim

4. Likelihood Trey is willing to ditch his high school friends and his girlfriend to play bball for his dad in LA: Cloudy

I think you are getting negged because you've spun money, location, family, and potential coaching position into positives for UCLA, when it's not clear that they actually are. You aren't giving "actual insight into recruiting," you are making poorly supported assumptions.

dahblue

April 1st, 2010 at 12:25 AM ^

Dude, I'm not saying he IS going to UCLA. Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I did say that we risk losing Trey IF his dad takes an assistant coaching position elsewhere. I got negged because someone has daddy issues maybe? It's a little sad.

Frankly, it's a waste of time to try to share info with fellow Michigan fans here. You can write about what someone's brother's cousin's valet's kid sister saw on Wikipedia. I was writing about what high level D-I athletic department personnel told me. An assistant coaching vacancy IS something that could hurt our chances at landing Trey. I thought that to be something worthwhile to share. Maybe I should have written about the mesh in our jerseys or my favorite beer instead.

dahblue

April 1st, 2010 at 12:04 PM ^

Is there a way to find out where the negs are coming from? Sure would be nice to find out who is so terrible offended by pretty tame and unobjectionable comments (but at the same time is too timid to publicly comment).

I can't believe that such a thing as an e-grudge exists where someone follows my posts and negs anything. I think you and I even got into it on something or another at one point, but that's the nature of a limited sports argument...limited.

jmblue

March 31st, 2010 at 3:12 PM ^

Even if the pay is comparable, being an assistant at a major school is lower on the basketball food chain than being a mid-major HC. Major-conference assistants regularly move on to become mid-major HCs; the reverse almost never happens.

MaizeSombrero

March 31st, 2010 at 3:26 PM ^

Maybe the decision isn't between mid-major head coach and major conference assistant. It could be between being a mid-major coach and not getting to coach your son and being a major conference assistant and getting to coach your son. It might not just be business and money driving his decision, but family as well.

ish

March 31st, 2010 at 3:50 PM ^

first, as others have pointed out, it'd be the second time he was an assistant at UCLA. second, where do you think you go from being an assistant at UCLA? the next step is a job as a coach at a mid-major (i.e., what he has now?). it'd be a step back to become an assistant again.

VAWolverine

March 31st, 2010 at 2:17 PM ^

1. UCLA would need a Rand McNally road atlas to find Mount Pleasant/CMU and,
2. Would not know who Ernie Ziegler was if it were not for his son who had the Bruins on his short list of schools he was considering.

This has happened before... We shall see on this one.

dahblue

March 31st, 2010 at 6:57 PM ^

I remain baffled by some with the points thing.
What exactly is so terrible about saying that there are personal considerations for a coach contemplating a move? Also negged in this string for saying that the father might see value in coaching his son. Whatever.

FabFiver5

March 31st, 2010 at 2:48 PM ^

I hate that I'm typing this...and I fear it coming true...but I just get the vibe that Trey's gonna end up playing for dad at CMU. Talk about another dong punch...

Magnus

March 31st, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^

I think some of you people are taking "dong punch" to a level that makes "dong punches" seem run-of-the-mill.

It's not a dong punch when some random kid who's been considering Michigan chooses another school. If it was, every school would suffer repeated, crippling dong punches.

Dong punches should be reserved for things that seriously hurt. Otherwise, this term will get watered down and overused just like phrases such as "snake oil" and "Tacopants" and "slot ninja."

BiSB

March 31st, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^

A dong punch is something you should cringe when you think about months, or even years, later, not something that just sucks. Plenty of stuff has sucked this year, but not that much of it rises to original spirit of the dong punch, as embodied in the origin of the phrase;

http://mgoblog.com/content/only-thing-corey-liuget-and-i-will-ever-have…

IMHE, this year's dong punches include NBA Jam-esque "He's in Fire" 3-pointers from Evan Turner, Stupid Hockey East Ref, OMG FOUR CHANCES FROM THE ONE YARD LINE???, and Kalin Lucas.

They do not include Wisconsin taking us to the woodshed, Sean Parker committing to Washington (though seriously... U-Dub?), or getting swept by Nebraska-Omaha.

Just my epinion. No sugarcoat.

Search4Meaning

March 31st, 2010 at 5:24 PM ^

and I don't think it will, but IF it does - so be it.

One recruit does not make or break a program (short of a Larry Bird, etc).

He needs Michigan as much as we want him - and we do want him.

But if UCLA needs to hire his Dad - we don't need him that badly.

Go Blue, Trey!