Zac Smith Twitter rant

Submitted by 615Wolverine on

Sorry I am on my phone but someone please qoute his tweets he is having a mental breakdown 

ppToilet

August 29th, 2018 at 3:05 PM ^

<<EDIT: This is a reply to Section 1.8>>

Look, you write like this is a legal discussion. It's not. He is not being accused because everyone knows he did it - even himself when sober. Not every crime plays out in court, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. Zach Smith has hanged himself in life and in the court of public opinion. He has only himself to blame. Scratch that, perhaps the blame can also be shared with the sycophants who rationalize, defend, and enable his egregious behavior.

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Section 1.8

August 29th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^

He is being accused of misdemeanor criminal trespass.  He is accused of violating some sort of "police order" to stay off Courtney Smith's property (based on no court ruling to my knowledge), while acting in compliance with the general terms of his custody order, which is a court order.

And I plead guilty, to writing about the legal aspects of things.  Particularly, "the legal aspects of things in stark contrast to fansite message boards."

Now a question for you.  I don't know who are "the sycophants who rationalize, defend, and enable [Zach Smith's] egregious behavior.  It ain't me!  You cannot find one post, one line from me on this Board in which I declare Zach Smith innocent of all things, or having been wrongfully terminated from his OSU employment.

Right now, on 11W, they are having big fun with the revival of a years-old post ridiculing YOURS TRULY for my having taken on Ramzy Nasrallah over the matter of Brendan Gibbons.  Ramzy called Gibbons, who was never charged, tried or convicted of a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g, a "rapist."  And the more that he doubled down, the more detailed and determined I got.  I didn't even "defend" Gibbons.  I said that I didn't know what happened.  But I pointed out (and Ramzy had nothing by way of reply) that Gibbons had cooperated with the investigation.  His accuser did not cooperate.  AAPD investigated, and by all accounts did so without any UM/football interference.  And they referred no charges, and the Washtenaw County Prosecutor saw no basis to charge.  And while it is popularly and foolishly thought that the University of Michigan sat on the matter for years thereafter, the simple fact is that no one initiated a student conflict resolution complaint.  Not until a third party, unrelated to the purported victim did.

Ramzy booted me when I emailed the staff pointing out that if he worked for a real newspaper or magazine and called someone who had never been charged, tried of convicted "a rapist," he'd be told to change it.  Somehow, that didn't work out for me.

All of that is lost on the ignorant OSU fans who are convinced that their rival hid a rape case for years.  Many of them still don't get that.

I have been careful, and consistent and legal.  I am calling out all of the dumb college football fans for their hysteria on all sides, when it come to legal processes.  It is the kind of hysteria I'd expect from NFL fans, and not alums of major institutions of higher education.  Although I am not clear on the % of Michigan grads at MGoBlog, or Ohio State grads at ElevenWarriors.

I am aware of one Indiana University grad at ElevenWarriors; that would be Mr. Ramzy Nasrallah.  Site co-owner, and Hoosier.

 

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Ron Utah

August 29th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

You're not completely wrong, and I appreciate you trying to bring some rationalism to this shit show.  But you're arguing something other than what everyone else is talking about, and that's what's making you look like an asshole (even though you're trying to be rational).  Here's what we're saying:

  • Zach Smith is clearly an ass and has demonstrated that numerous times and in numerous ways.
  • Zach Smith perpetuated and contributed to an abusive relationship.  Did he ever "hit" his wife?  We don't know.  We do know that he got physical with her on more than one occasion.  I will concede that she may have initiated the confrontations.  I will also say that does not make what he did okay.
  • Zach Smith's legal status is relatively unimportant here.  He perpetuated an abusive relationship, had sex with a staffer (who got reassigned), and behaved in other ways that are clearly not in line with the code of ethics created by Urban Meyer for his players.
  • Urban Meyer, when confronted with a conversation about Zach's transgressions, immediately started protecting Zach instead being truthful or considering that there may have been another victim (or victims) in this case.  Urban's first reaction was nepotism, not honesty or even dealing with potential domestic abuse.
  • As you've pointed out, Urban deleted texts from his phone AND had specialists come to his house to alter the data on his phone.  Maybe that had nothing to do with Zach Smith, but whoo boy, that's what guilty people do.
  • It's completely implausible that Urban didn't know about Zach's behavior, and the reports today further confirm that.  He had a deep personal relationship with Zach Smith and knew what was happening.

Again, whether or not Zach Smith is criminally liable for his treatment of his ex-wife is for the justice system to decide.  But he perpetuated and contributed to an abusive relationship in direct contradistinction to his bosses own moral code.  Should Zach Smith go to jail?  I don't know.  Should he have been fired years ago?  Without a doubt.  And did Urban Meyer reach for semantics and nepotism and spoliation before considering abuse?  Absolutely.

The Gibbons case, as you rightly pointed on 11W, is COMPLETELY different.  No cover up.  No lying (unless you count Hoke's "family reasons" blunder).  No missteps by the university.

You are hurting yourself by making an argument that is a separate issue.  You seem like an intelligent, rational person, but your communication comes across as being a callous asshole when you take a strictly legal approach to a moral issue.

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Section 1.8

August 29th, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^

With all due respect to a thoughtful post like yours, I honestly think that the basic problem is that many MGoMembers want to freak out about things I haven't written (but they imagine I might say it), instead of dealing with the details of the things I have written.

And clearly I do not include you in that cohort.

 

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Ron Utah

August 29th, 2018 at 9:50 PM ^

We are in agreement there, and that is because you are arguing about a separate (but related) issue. You’re saying there is not definitive proof that ZS is a wife beater. Most here are saying even if that’s true it’s obvious (and today adds to that) that he was an abuser. And a physical abuser. 

I don’t care if Zach Smith goes to jail. I care that for men in power the first reaction is to protect their bros instead thinking about the damage they may have caused. And it’s a tragedy that Urbz is getting away with that. 

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Section 1.8

August 30th, 2018 at 1:32 PM ^

But how did Urban Meyer "protect" Zach Smith at any cost to Courtney Smith?  That is what I don't get in any of this.  I think it is pretty clear that Meyer sought to protect Zach from press scrutiny on several dimensions.  But I would always expect an employer to try to protect an employee's record from disclosure under usual circumstances.

If the one thing that was needed for "justice" in this case was for a crusading investigative sports reporter Brett McMurphy to write a big story, that could have been done three years ago.  But what didn't happen three years ago, was that Courtney Smith didn't go to a reporter and say, "I have an important story to tell you, about my husband who I am divorcing because he is abusive."

I make the simple and I think logical conclusion that the reason that she did not do that, was because she realized that the notoriety would end Zach's career with OSU.  And the family would lose his income.

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PopeLando

August 29th, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^

[To Section 1.8]

Jesus. Dude, give it a rest. Your long-winded defense of Urban, OSU, and Smith isn't accomplishing anything. 

In general...

It's ok to disagree with the hive mind that can exist here sometimes 

It's ok to espouse patience and due process. 

At some point, you have to realize you've failed to convince people. Let it go. You'll have a sympathetic audience at 11 Warriors. 

Please don't clog up a perfect good getcha- popcorn-ready Twitter meltdown with this shit

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ST3

August 29th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^

TL:DR

Here’s an idea for you. How about you contact Seth and see if his offer to set up a blog for you still holds. That sounds like a super idea for you. The only problem is no one would read it. Trolling under a vacant bridge wouldn’t be nearly as fun, right?

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HollywoodHokeHogan

August 29th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^

You can't have it both ways.  Since he is only charged with trespass and not DV, then whether or not he is convicted of trespass isn't going to say anything about DV.  So why are you so interested in the result of his trespass trial?  The jury won't be determining whether or not he abused CS.  What vindication is there going to be if ZS is not convicted of (which is not = found not to have committed) criminal trespass??

None of the alleged DV instances resulted in charges, so there won't be a trial on those.  Your argument just seems to be that since there were not charges filed, the unwashed fanbase masses can't claim ZS is an abuser.   That's going to be controversial, to say the least, but I don't know why you feel the need to repeat it with such frequency.

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Blue in PA

August 29th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^

And she had the $2,200 worth of Adam and Eve special deliveries sent to the athletic center, she took dick picks in the WH and coaches offices, picks of someone blowing him at work, she sent him to the strip club while recruiting, she was the reason he was sent to rehab and then she also demanded he leave the program without completing it?  even your boy urban liar admitted that it was the accumulation of incidents that lead to him being fired.

EDIT:  she also encouraged him to bang the secretary in the office and then she demanded the secretary be transferred to another department

sure...

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UofM626

August 30th, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^

Don’t forget: And she choked herself in Cabo and then in 2009 she hit herself too. 

 

Zach! If you did nothing then why were you fired and Urban Liar suspended. The University would of canned Meyer if he was a average coach and that’s another reason everyone is upset. Any for the record Tressel was fired for much less. Radio rumor today was that OSU contacted Meyer before they decided Tressels fate. Just saying 

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stephenrjking

August 29th, 2018 at 2:56 PM ^

Hypothetically speaking... what exactly happens if after the court case comes to light, and Zach Smith is absolved?

That it turns out both Zach and Courtney Smith are batshit crazy, but Zach didn’t beat his wife. That this really was just a wild goose chase started by his ex-wife out of vengeance.

Hypothetically? It's not hypothetical. It's pretty clear that the OSU board of trustees twisted itself into a pretzel to basically assume that: 1. Urban knew nothing more about the abuse than he claimed; 2. Urban did everything he possibly could to stop the abuse.

Because Urban's weak suspension basically amounts to a just punishment just for keeping a philandering, drunken, strip-club-visiting, rehab-skipping, horribly-performing creep on staff for years even if Courtney Smith were never (ha!) touched.

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charblue.

August 29th, 2018 at 4:44 PM ^

As far as I am concerned, the actual proving of domestic violence allegations in this matter is irrelevant.

That was the motive for examining the evidence in greater detail and take us where we are today  with a suspension of the head coach for three games. He should have been fired for failing to perform the contractual responsibilities of his job based on the evidence if an objective jury were considering the facts and applying any professional standard of judgment. But that wasn't the case.

If you cannot hold this man accountable for the kind of lax supervision he permitted on his staff, regardless of how Zach Smith dealt with his wife, then how do you exact punishment for any other staff member on campus with similar oversight and supervisory  responsibilities?

I mean that's an internal issue. For the outside world, we don't have to consider personal issues with regard to motive or rationalization for permitting flagrant behavior to be overlooked for whatever reason. We just apply the standards that impact us and wonder why they don't have bearing in other places like Columbus. But, of course, we know without thinking why choices are made there that aren't made elsewhere.

And those who live there and wonder about that judgment are those who live in a very small world, mostly of their own creation. 

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PopeLando

August 29th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^

I bet someone at OSU is frantically calling right now.

OSU: Zach will you please stop tweeting!

Smith: This is the only way to clear my name. Don't worry, I'll make people think better about Urban too.

OSU: We have PR teams for that! We pay them a lot and they're good at it.

Smith: Fuck em. Nobody's balls are as lifted as mine.

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