Why does the football program underachieve so much?
January 1st, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 7:57 PM ^
January 2nd, 2018 at 2:08 AM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 5:22 PM ^
Michigan's 1st choice to replace Bo took himself out ot the equation after a pretty solid first few seasons via personal issues. He was succeeded by a competent administrator who lacked in vision and creativity. We rode that competence to the 1997 national title, but eventually your flaws catch up with you and by 2007 we were all out of ideas and worst of all, Carr had not bred a successor capable of handling the Michigan job.
So then you got an 'open search' that ended in hiring a dude who had shown himself to be a brilliant offensive coach and one of the 'hottest names' out there. From the outside that seemed like about as good a hire as you could hope for in a coaching search. In practice it was a bit like making Howard Stern the leader of the school board in a rural Kansas county.
Then after "Satan" had been evicted, you replace him with the perceived antithesis. Hoke fit like a glove for the most backward elements around Michigan football. He was perfect for the school board of a rural Kansas county and for those who viewed Michigan football in that way. He ticked all the boxes - except he couldn't really coach at that level, like at all.
Michigan fed off the Bo legacy and what he had built for almost 20 years - and then struck out spectacularly in its two attempts to replenish the substance of the program.
So now we have Jim Harbaugh and all you can hope is that the crap we experienced throughout the 2017 season was just an after-effect of all those bad choices, the way you sometimes, years later, can feel the effects of an old injury in your back or your knees.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^
There's is a question or two I have kept asking myself for a couple months now, and your post reminded me of it - are we looking at some of the echoes from previous miscues coming to bear early on in the Harbaugh years? Is it possible that the problem is more dynamic in that sense than people seem to believe or care? Was this year a myriad of bad decisions made by a previous staff coming to a head? I think they are intriguing questions really. I realize they'll get sarcastic answers, but it's an interesting thing to ponder.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:51 PM ^
You can choose to break with it or let it run its course even if it's not right. Either way there's gonna be a point where the roster is going to experience lack of depth/experience.
Only way to avoid that is a scenario where your predecessor had similar ideas and did a lot of stuff right. This usually happens in 'planned' takeovers due to retirement or departures of good coaches in the middle of their runs (such as a move to the NFL) which then might be replaced by their right hand men. Obviously the last three coaching changes at Michigan did not at all follow that model and were instead ruptures and thus to some extent always also 'hostile takeovers' so to speak.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^
"Nobody in this fanbase expects national titles every year,"
lol what? the 'no excuses' crowd certainly expects it.
January 1st, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^
The first thought that came to my mind was "country club mentality". And as I read through the comments I see a lot of similar thoughts. We are a complacent and wealthy program. We have a huge safety net of wealthy alumni and TV contracts. Largest stadium. Tops or near the top in revenue. We have to realize that EVERY team circles us on their schedule and play their hardest against us. We rarely match the intensity that the other team brings. We rarely play games with the proverbial chip on our shoulder. The scrappiness seems to be gone.
Look no further than the University of Texas as a team in a very similary situation.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
Look at the 2016 MSU game. Sure, we won the game but not after essentially giving up for the final 7 minutes to allow MSU to make the final score respectable. That year we had a huge talent and experience advantage and should've stomped them by 20+ points. Instead we chose to coast. That is the kind of bullshit that nobody wants to see. When you have your rival on the ropes you throw the knockout punch and then kick them when they're down. That is the mentality we need to get back.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:51 PM ^
I also look at Notre Dame and see the same phenomenon. Yes they have had some good seasons with Brian Kelly, however I still think they suffer from that elitism and lack of killer instinct which has taken them out of true elite status in the last 20 years.
The elitist programs with the beacon on the hill academic reputation just don't do well. Even a player who grew up in public housing takes on that same elitist attitude once he arrives here (just listen to the players' perspective toward the fans). It's a badge of honor to not be nasty, to not have a chip on your shoulder, to be a "good guy." It's like Michigan is too self-conscious to truly take on a tough, gritty persona thinking that it's beneath them.
You think Ohio State fans, students, or players give a shit if the ivory tower folks don't consider them a public Ivy? Alabama? USC? Mind you, these are all good-excellent schools. Fact is, you can be a great academic institution and have an elite football program. Seems like the UM culture doesn't recognize that and that the reputation is more important than the substance behind it.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 6:45 PM ^
Today's game was very much like most of the other 24 bowl losses I've watched since 1/1/1970 in that we just seem lethargic from the beginning on offense, while our opponents generally seem sky-high to play us, even when it's Southern Cal.
Since that 1970 Rose Bowl loss to USC, no other program in the country has as many bowl losses as Michigan does at 25. That's simply pathetic.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
Sure does look stupid now. Beilein may not be perfect, but I think after Izzo, everyone else in the Big Ten would take him in a heartbeat over their current head coach. Same just cannot be said for Harbaugh right now especially with all the rockstar coaching additions to the Big Ten. Harbaugh for the first two years was the one who cleaned up in recruiting too (now we have Beilein with a better ranked class by the way)
January 1st, 2018 at 6:35 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 5:42 PM ^
Michigan has an institutional "arrogance" about it that steeps into everything about the university including athletics. The Harvard of the Midwest my ass. Stop talking shit about academics, traditions, and history and move into the freakin new century athletically. Ohio State left that crap behind when they hired Tressel who made them into a NATIONAL powerhouse instead of bragging about winning the conference and playing a shitty PAC 10 team in Pasadena. Meanwhile, Michigan in football hung onto medicrity with Loyd Carr forever while everyone else moved forward. Then the good ole boy institutional arrogance took over once again with Carr involved moving from Rich Rod through Brady to now Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh is a great coach BUT the Michigan insiders and Blue Bloods need to stop telling him how great he is so he can actually grow a pair once again and coach with a heart. This entire year, Michigan has looked like it was going through the motions. No fire whatsoever and they didnt beat a team with a winning record.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:18 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 7:14 PM ^
I remember at freshman orientation basically being told my shit didn't stink. I believed it of course but it probably wasn't a great motivating factor.
January 1st, 2018 at 8:36 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 9:26 PM ^
Hmmm, I think you're confusing arrogance with confidence. And I think all of these kids and coaches work their asses off. I wouldn't accuse them of not putting time and work. The arrogance and entitlement come in when you are struggling and facing adversity in a game and think it'll correct itself bc you're Michigan. The arrogance comes in when you are not adapting and changing strategy when your initial plan isn't working. Humility is about knowing when your product sucks and be willing to change and adapt accordingly even when your ego is bruised.
January 1st, 2018 at 5:49 PM ^
in TWO seasons has won the SEC and made the CFP...WHY???? WHY???
cant we find someone like him? JH best finish is what tied for 3rd in the East?
Cant we just all admit we made a mistake and move on? Im not a JH hater at all..Like the guy but its beginning to look like hes just not the guy..
January 1st, 2018 at 8:32 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 5:59 PM ^
and the reputation of the program amonst kids and players was severly damaged and we're still paying for it.
So far, JH has grossly underperformed. His offensive staff is terrible and the players seem unprepared for what they face.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:01 PM ^
Because he didn't play at UM or coach there in the past. He is not worthy
January 1st, 2018 at 6:08 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 6:26 PM ^
still planning another spring trip to Europe to tiptoe through the tulips and smell the flowers ?
January 1st, 2018 at 8:37 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 9:13 PM ^
What good are recruits if they come here and can't play. MSU doesn't recruit that well and look at them. Maybe those type of gimmicks attract the wrong type of players. Players that want all hype and no substance. Well those guys are useless when the season starts.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:27 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 8:15 PM ^
Whenever I see videos of former players coming in to talk to the team or any presentation on Michigan, you are shown all the past champions of the last century. Everyone pats themselves on the back in pride, only to see entitled attitude on the field right after and we wonder why.
I'd love it if the new recruits and returning players came in on their first day of practice and they saw a presentation of all the past great teams. Once that nostalgia welled up their eyes and put a lump in their throats, fast-forward to the last 15 years and show only yakety sax bloopers and embarassing losses to our championship-level rivals (like ESPN does every season). Remind them who we are NOW. It'll be sobering, and it'll piss a lot of people off.
Not to disrespect the players that worked hard over the last 2 decades, but to ask each incoming player which version of the program they wanted to create. Yes...create...from scratch. No more riding the coattails of "tradition." Let them create their own identity apart from the one the program created when the old money ruled the roost of football.
The whole "This is Michigan!" thing Hoke did was cringeworthy for me from the start, but it explains a lot. Meaningless entitled rhetoric.
January 1st, 2018 at 9:04 PM ^
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January 1st, 2018 at 6:59 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 7:06 PM ^
We're running the same offense Bo ran at Miami? It doesn't look like it at all to me--where's all the triple option stuff?
January 1st, 2018 at 6:53 PM ^
Lloyd Carr won a national championship. Lloyd Carr won Big Ten championships. Lloyd Carr could beat Ohio State. Lloyd Carr beat Michigan State. It's Rich Rod, Hoke, and Harbaugh. These are the coaches that have embarrassed the program and school and moved us out of national relevance. Not Lloyd Carr. That is unfair.
January 1st, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^
January 1st, 2018 at 9:09 PM ^
That's true, but Carr still won championships. The team also just looked better than it does now especially on offense. Even during a down year I can't remeber any Lloyd Carr Qbs being as bad as Peters, Speight or O'Korn. Rudock was a W. I'll give Harbaugh credit where it's due. John Navarre would start over any of those guys (minus maybe Rudock) in a heartbeat.
January 1st, 2018 at 6:53 PM ^
Lloyd Carr won a national championship. Lloyd Carr won Big Ten championships. Lloyd Carr could beat Ohio State. Lloyd Carr beat Michigan State. It's Rich Rod, Hoke, and Harbaugh. These are the coaches that have embarrassed the program and school and moved us out of national relevance. Not Lloyd Carr. That is unfair.