November 29th, 2009 at 2:36 AM ^

I flat out don't believe this. It has all the marks of a Michael Wilbon-esque deep throat story - cryptic, unfalsifiable source, a dumb typo in the linked story, citation of vague circumstantial evidence.

I don't want it to be true, either - the prospect of ND getting a good coach is a real scary one.


November 29th, 2009 at 8:44 AM ^

But their in the same situation we are. Even if Urban Meyer went their it would take at least 2 years before they even think about a bowl again. And by that time RR will have us firing on all cylinders. I welcome challenges of good teams when we are good as well it makes the game more fun and its worth a lot more when you win those type of games.


November 29th, 2009 at 9:19 AM ^

If we're going to question stories because of their lack of spelling, we should watch ourselves.
It appears there needs to be a lesson on their vs there vs they're.

Their is a plural possessive.
There is a place or a direction.
They're is a contraction of they and are and indicates being.

Their house. Car. Whatever. It belongs to them.
There it is. Santa's Sleigh. It's over in that direction or that place.
But THEY'RE in the same situation we are. THEIR team blows and even Urban Meyer would take a couple years to turn it around. Bet he's down THERE in Florida.

Three different words that sound the same but have meanings that are nowhere near similar.

Learn it.
Love it.
Live it.


November 29th, 2009 at 11:18 AM ^

but one of the things that irritates me the most and makes me think of uneducated hillbilly is the inability to use the proper word. When there are homonyms and someone doesn't know which one to use and proceeds to use the wrong one, it causes me to feel grief toward our educational system.


November 29th, 2009 at 2:37 AM ^

I can see him walking out with the old cardboard box and on top of it is a picture of him and Brady Quinn, and a thank you note to Ty willingham for letting him have two good seasons. I doubt he took the time to clean out the refrigerators in his office, he probably let the cleaning staff do that...


November 30th, 2009 at 10:16 AM ^

Kind of ironic, isn't it?

Domer fans spent so much time complaining about how Willingham left the cupboard bare for Weis and yet Weis' only two good seasons at ND were with teams composed almost entirely of Ty's recruits as the starters.

I am certainly NOT saying (writing, technically) that Willingham did a good job in recruiting, because he didn't, but it seems pretty clear that it really doesn't matter what kind of players Weis has at his disposal; he is just a lousy head coach.


November 29th, 2009 at 2:40 AM ^

The man can really run a good offense. But he just isn't head coaching material I guess. It really has been a lot of fun to make fun of him though. I'm not really a fan of all the "fat Charlie" jokes...we aren't in elementary school after all. But that 38-0 beating of Notre Dame after the two games from hell to start the 2007 season provided a much needed shot in the arm and some much needed jokes at Charlie and Jimmay's expense.

That being said, I wish him well as he returns to coach offense somewhere in the NFL.


November 29th, 2009 at 12:10 PM ^

I agree completely. Charlie Weis has never demonstrated much ability even as an offensive coach (as Jon Chait pointed out, his offenses even on the great patriots teams were mostly mediocre). More importantly, he's an arrogant turd. Ever since he arrived at ND he has acted like he walks on water and it is entirely just, in my opinion, that his self-satisfaction be rewarded with failure and shame. I only regret that he is such a delusional megalomaniac that it will probably not have much affect on his ego.

From Chait's article in Slate:

The giant edifice of fraud that is Weis' reputation is actually a series of smaller frauds piled on top of each other. The foundational myth is that he was a brilliant offensive coordinator. Weis came from the New England Patriots, who had just won a Super Bowl. Every player and coach associated with a Super Bowl winner is usually subjected to a certain level of hype, and Weis is no exception. But Weis was actually quite ordinary. During his eight seasons as a coordinator, six of his teams finished in the bottom half of the league in total offense. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has graciously shared credit for his success with Weis, even though the Patriots offense has been dramatically better—seventh in the league, on average—since Weis left.

The myth grew after Weis was appointed at Notre Dame and started proclaiming his own brilliance. He told his players, "Every game you will have a decided schematic advantage." After struggling to salvage his first recruiting class, he announced to the press, "Now it's time for the X's and O's. Let's see who has the advantage now."


November 29th, 2009 at 2:54 AM ^

Charlie deserves all the jokes that come his way after declaring he would put a mean and nasty team on the field with a decided schematic advantage. Of all the things this man eats I am certain that humble pie is now part of his diet.


November 29th, 2009 at 3:09 PM ^

Weis may be showing humility, but I think it's as much of a fraud as his reputation as an "offensive genius." I think the humility he shows is actually a calculated persona that will make sure he doesn't void his buyout.

As soon as the money is in his pocket, Weis will resume being the same insufferable boor that he is, was, and always will be.


November 29th, 2009 at 8:34 AM ^

Weis reminds me of Curly in the Three Stooges episode where a rich guy bets that he can turn them into gentlemen and ends up taking them to a high society party. And that's pretty much what Weis really is: a galoot pretending to have class in a place where he doesn't belong.


November 29th, 2009 at 12:40 PM ^

They may be superior jobs (I'd debate Oklahoma - to me, coaching has been the difference between them being good and being Notre Dame), but at least in the case of Oklahoma, ND has a lot more money they can use for a football coach. I've read that the odds-on favorite to be the next coach is Stoops. Think about it - he's lost the last how many BCS games, he hasn't done well the past few years against Texas, he did terrible this year (injuries yes, but they still should have out-talented everyone but Texas), and they lose quite a bit going into next year. Now would be a good time for him to get out of Norman.

Hoken's Heroes

November 29th, 2009 at 11:27 AM ^

...those borderline academic kids easily got into ND's B School. That helps land some of them, imho. I would probably be tempted to to be a Notre Lamer if I was guaranteed admission into a school's b school. Besides, I'd go to ND just to witness someone cold cock Jimmay in the face! :P


November 29th, 2009 at 3:25 PM ^

Its a case by case basis and that applies to non-athletes as well. That said the limits to their admission are still much higher than the vast majority of their BCS peers. If you think ND will take anyone who can get by the clearinghouse your greatly mistaken


November 29th, 2009 at 12:34 PM ^

He is how I see it. Browns draft Jimmay and also pick up Weis as the new OC. That way the suck fest that is the browns will continue for years to come.


November 29th, 2009 at 2:49 PM ^

"Stay on the recruiting trail on the west coast" so obviously means "hit up all the In-N-Outs I can before I have to leave this part of the country". West coast NFL teams have a much better chance of signing that man.