We all thought about it: What did this game make you think about our team?

Submitted by stephenrjking on

I usually hate-watch national title games because they're important to a sport I love but they wind up just reminding me how disappointed I am that Michigan is not good enough to be there. And they're harder to skip now that the coaches film room is must-watch viewing every year.

But if you're like me you watch these games with one eye on the teams we all jealously wish weren't there and one eye on the strengths and particularly the weaknesses of our own team.

So let's just get right out and admit stuff that the title game highlighted for us about Michigan in the past and going forward.

What sort of things about our team came to mind when you watched the national title game?

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2018 at 2:42 AM ^

that SC player talk after the game about them knowing the routes we were running after the first couple drives. Not sure if he was just saying that or what but it did surprise me that the narrative was that the offense was too simple that game.

Oddly, we had guys running wide open all game against OSU.  Was that a complex gameplan that got guys open but was so complex JOK couldn't get through all the progressions?  Did we have no open guys against SC because the gameplans was too simple?

Maybe if we had UFRs for those games....

But you're absolutely correct that from previous UFRs, it sounded like we had some pretty dumbed down route trees for JOK/Peters, but the narrative persisted that our offense was too complex. shrug emoji.

JBLPSYCHED

January 9th, 2018 at 7:13 AM ^

Something was really 'off' this year and I don't just mean QB injuries and youth at skill positions. Harbaugh was different (demeanor), play calling process and duties were muddled and vacillated between stubborn (running off-tackle with no room), uncreative (no deep passing game after Black went down), and signs of life (OSU game plan appeared uniquely different from every other game this season). Too many OC cooks in the kitchen. Defense was great but wore down and never fixed the difficulty covering slot receivers with safeties. Special teams were actually bad if you think about it: punting basically sucked regardless of who was back there, punt return issues were constant, and Nordin went through a mid-season slump. None of this really makes sense and belies Harbaugh's track record. I obviously don't know what's going on and I don't think any of us really do either but SOMETHING isn't right. Here's hoping that next year is different...or else! As for Georgia vs. Alabama, both teams looked more skilled, more smooth (play calling and execution), better coached, and more clutch than us. It's hard being a Michigan fan.

Money24

January 9th, 2018 at 9:37 AM ^

It’s both. It’s too complex because they put too much thought in it to run simple run HB dive up the A gap or toss left. I simply feel our coaches just overthink to outscheme which I think u have to do when u know u lack the athletes. IMHO our coaching staff is over coaching bad just put yo best talent out there & keep the game simple last night should’ve been the blueprint hats off to Saban & Kirby

doctorofstyle

January 9th, 2018 at 2:07 AM ^

read option/slash type dude on offense... when I see teams like Penn State run wildcat I shake my head, it's a change of pace thing and throws the d off every once in a while (like pepp did). better o line play, better coaching with the wr's. the d is not perfect, but most definitely our strong point. the o? needs imagination, and fast.

Occam's Razor

January 9th, 2018 at 2:09 AM ^

It told me that our offensive coaching staff sucks.

An 18 year old kid playing his first half of nongarbage time college football just threw a 40 yard bomb in which he looked off the safety in a Cover 2 in OT against Georgia in the national title game.

Can you show me any of our QBs doing that this year?

Harbaugh either lost his fastball on offense or he straight up whiffed on Peters.

Either way it makes me wish Hoke’s dumbass took Costello’s commitment in summer 2014, so Harbaugh would have at least one functional multi year QB on this damn roster.

And secondly, can we duplicate Partridge and recruit more of these types of players Bama and UGA have? What the hell do Pep and Drevno do recruiting wise?

How many players did we finish second for in this game????

Okay I’m done.

stephenrjking

January 9th, 2018 at 2:16 AM ^

I actually posted a diary of O'Korn doing exactly what you discuss (looking off a defender) against Purdue. That performance was, sadly, nothing at all like anything else he did. Speight has been capable of this, but he had the yips this year for whatever reason. Peters is not there yet and he'd better get there if he wants to start again.

We did finish second for a lot of players in this game, but then these guys are ethically questionable at the moment and otherwise big programs do finish second a lot because they're in on a lot of guys.

But it stinks seeing Hardman and Harris and others being so prominent, no question. Worse because their impact probably means they made the right choice even setting aside any questions of why they made it.

SpilledMilk

January 9th, 2018 at 2:40 AM ^

These 5 star (and high 4 star) players want to win titles and go to the NFL after 3 years. They're going to choose a program that gives them the best shot at doing so. That ultimately gives teams like Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State an advantage in recruiting the blue chip talent. The only thing that can begin to change that is if Michigan inexplicably starts winning titles again. Sure, we'll get an occasional five star who is dead set on goin to a premier academic school but that isn't going to be enough to compete on the football field with the powerhouse programs

SpilledMilk

January 9th, 2018 at 2:32 AM ^

Peters isn't the caliber of QB that Tag is - let's just get that out of the way. Furthermore, I personally think that Harbaugh was fortunate to have Luck at Stanford. He was a once-in-a-decade talent that elevated that entire program. Had Harbaugh had a Peters like QB at that time, he wouldn't have received the hype of "the QB whisperer". It's unfair to Jim at this point but it is what it is. Also, our receivers, RBS and lineman aren't the caliber of what we saw on the field during the playoffs. We have a long way to go until we reach that level

Occam's Razor

January 9th, 2018 at 2:37 AM ^

Our WRs are just as talented as Bama’s. It comes down to coaching for that specific group. Michigan doesn’t have it.

Michigan’s DLine and secondary are just as talented and coached well like Bama’s.

Our LB core starting next year will be just as athletic and well coached too if Partridge stays.

Oline QB RB on the other hand... yeah there’s the problem.

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2018 at 2:52 AM ^

we watch Wisconsin throw a freshman out there and score 3 TDs in a NY6 bowl, we watch these guys from Bama and UGA play well in a national title game.

Our WR failures are a combo of poor coaching, poor O line play and poor quarterbacking, and it's not necessarily youth.  With four (five?) highly talented freshmen WRs and two fairly highly recruited sophs, they should have been able to produce more.

An absolute passing game disaster for us this year.

MGolem

January 9th, 2018 at 3:08 AM ^

Was not the can't miss prospect you are making him out to be. Harbaugh also turned Alex Smith into a real NFL QB and took the league by storm with his use of Kaepernick. Don't forget Jameis Winston's comments about Harbaugh after a week of mentoring. Harbaugh's track record is proven. Gotta have some actual talent on hand to work with first.

Sideline

January 9th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^

Come on. Harbaugh has the "QB Whisperer" title because of ALL his stops, not JUST Luck. San Diego, turned that kid into an NFL pick, I believe. the first year at Stanford had some low-end prospect walk into the Coliseum and knock off a LOADED USC team. He had Luck for a few years. Let's give him a break and see that Peters has been a 'project/developmental' QB from his high school days. 

NYC Fan3

January 9th, 2018 at 9:47 AM ^

Tag looked like a kid that will run head first to get the first down, spend downtime in the gym. 

Watching his performance last night, he's definitely different.  I'm glad his debuted worked out for him on the grand stage.  It's pretty damn cool if you think about it.

SpilledMilk

January 9th, 2018 at 2:25 AM ^

I told my wife when the second half started that Alabama would win. I was hoping that Saban would stick with hurts and go down in flames though.

FrankMurphy

January 9th, 2018 at 2:30 AM ^

It was a ballsy move, but that's why Saban wins. Sometimes those ballsy moves backfire (e.g., replacing your offensive coordinator one week before the title game), but other times, they pay off in spades.

buddha

January 9th, 2018 at 1:33 PM ^

Alabama didn't lose last year because of their OC replacement. If anything, I thought their offense looked pretty remarkable all things considered.

They lost because they ran into a generational talent by the name of Deshaun Watson. His performance against Bama was Vince Young-esque, and - without him - Clemson doesn't stand a chance.

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2018 at 3:01 AM ^

for two drives in the first half against Florida but put him back in.  Said it was a planned thing.  Was a little weird.  Seemed more to settle him down than anything?

He pulled JOK just before halftime of the Rutgers game.

I was actually hoping he'd keep O'Korn in when Peters went out in the bowl game. He couldn't have been worse than Peters who was clearly shaken, JOK made a nice pass in his one play and then I wanted him to get (just a tiny bit of) redemption for that OSU game.  Alas...

BornInA2

January 9th, 2018 at 2:46 AM ^

1. Our QBs aren't developing. A true freshman with virtually zero game time came in and looked good against a very stout Georgia D. When was the last time you saw our QB look off a defense for that long then throw a laser 30 yards down the field?

2. We are getting badly outrecruited.

3. Our offensive line is a damp paper towel compared to Alabama (who was playing two backups, if memory serves). See #2 above.

newtopos

January 9th, 2018 at 4:31 AM ^

Georgia just signed 9 out of the top 50 players in the 2018, including 6 five-star players.  We signed none.  Some of those top 50 players will play well as true freshmen. 

(Also of note: Alabama is trying to poach our one true elite recruiter (Patridge).)  

If I had to weigh the two, coaching/scheme on the offensive side is limiting us far, far more than recruiting.  According to 247Sports, we had the seventh highest team talent in the country this year.  Yes, Alabama, OSU, Georgia, and USC beat us out, but we were still well within the top 10, and ahead of teams like Stanford or Oklahoma..

That said, given the in-state talent disparity between Michigan and states like Georgia, Florida, Texas, and California, the fact that we do not cheat in recruiting the way SEC/certain ACC teams do (we thankfully hung on to Gary despite the inducements that our AD publicly mentioned were offered by another program, but we have clearly lost others), and that we have somewhat higher academic standards (e.g., we basically do not take JUCOs), we will likely be unable to consistently beat out Alabama, USC, Georgia, Texas, and LSU recruiting-wise (when those programs are not cratering). 

I think the better model for us is Oklahoma.  Not a ton of in-state talent, not known for shady recruiting practices.  They were ranked #16 in the country in team talent this year.  They have a good amount of talent, but they are not going to out-Alabama Alabama.  Rather, they utilize an explosive offense with Air Raid principles, and that offense gives the chance against even the best defenses (as in their game against Georgia this year).