Warde Manuel being sued by former U-Conn player
http://deadspin.com/ex-uconn-soccer-player-sues-school-after-losing-sch…
A soccer player lost her scholarship after flipping the bird to to ESPNU. They had just won the conference chanpionship. If this is true, it's awful.
December 21st, 2016 at 6:34 AM ^
Thank you! This ish is pathetic!
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December 21st, 2016 at 6:20 AM ^
Yawn...
December 21st, 2016 at 6:35 AM ^
Unreal. Some people are too sensitive. OMG a middle finger!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
December 21st, 2016 at 7:50 AM ^
Some people don't think before they react, then want to blame others for said reaction.
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December 21st, 2016 at 6:38 AM ^
but not because of this UConn story.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:06 AM ^
Hopefully he lives up to your standards before he leaves.(sigh)
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:11 AM ^
Your comment is more than a little ironic given your reference to Don Canham in your avatar.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:15 AM ^
Don your comments are; mostly negative. Period.
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:40 AM ^
with Canham's forthright and public comments in the wake of the '73 10-10 tie:
http://sws.canoe.com/v1/blogs-prod-photos/0/4/4/b/3/044b39b0d6add3fba81…
December 21st, 2016 at 7:48 AM ^
But honestly its been so longsince we've had an AD I'm happy with... and after the Brandon debacle (UM's Matt Millen) I've just been happy that he's not Brandon.
December 21st, 2016 at 8:28 AM ^
Yeah because those are totally the same situation. Sure.
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December 21st, 2016 at 10:37 AM ^
Don's a grumpy old man. I'm an asshole. We all have our roles.
Just be glad he learned how to respond to the correct comment.
December 21st, 2016 at 11:12 AM ^
you are a shirtless asshole.
December 21st, 2016 at 6:39 AM ^
I dont understand the need to rush to judgement when we are privy to minimal information. We know nothing of this case or what happened just like we know nothing of what Manuel has said to the B1G about the officiating before or after The Game. Judging people with such limited information, and often only one side of the story, is what children do.
December 21st, 2016 at 6:44 AM ^
Come on; so much we don't know, etc. however, there is a perfectly good way to keep a scholarship; don't do shit like this in those situations.
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December 21st, 2016 at 6:44 AM ^
This is some stupid, shit! I don't approve of Warde. He's never done anything for me. Bitch, moan, bitch, moan! Hopefully none of you judges, oversee this case! Idiots don't know if any of this crap is true. For those of you piling on getting an unsportsmanlike penalty. You better pray that the next time someone accuses you of something. That you somehow are allowed due process and that the idiots on mgoblog don't get to prosecute you first.
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December 21st, 2016 at 6:51 AM ^
She is an adult and a representative of the university. Giving a "fuck you" on national tv is a legitimate reason to lose your scholarship.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:04 AM ^
That's kind of what I am thinking as well, that's a horrible look for an athletic department. Ala Marcus Hall.
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December 21st, 2016 at 8:49 AM ^
Cosign. People don't understand how to behave themselves. Her action is absurd and attention-seeking. Just like this lawsuit.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:10 AM ^
...there are some First Amendement legal issues here.
Not saying you have to like it or dislike it. But here is the core of the Free Speech Clause issue...
UConn is a state school, so the First Amendment applies. To what degree can a state university sanction a student for her speech?
What limits to otherwise unrestricted state university student speech apply when that student is a member of a team, wearing the uniform of the university, and during an official game?
The answers are not obvious under existing Free Speech Clause cases.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:46 AM ^
Sure, free speech means you can speak your mind. It doesn't protect you from the possible consequences.
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December 21st, 2016 at 8:03 AM ^
That's a pretty worthless distinction. If a religious zealot with no ties to the U can rant and rave at students as they walk to class and a DPS cop comes in to protect the zealot, this teenage girl can make a mistake in a moment of elation. You have no compassion or perspective at all, i get it
December 21st, 2016 at 8:18 AM ^
The Free Speech Clause in fact does prohibit government from imposing a burden (such as taking away a benefir such as a scholarship) becasue the government objects to the speakers speech or expression.
Yanking the scholarship is a burden on the student's free speech.
The only question under the law is whether being a member of a team at a state university gives the state actor (the university) an additional power to curb/prohibit/sanction/burden student speech that it would otherside not have for other members of the student body.
It is NOT 'you have the right to speak, but the state university has the right to sanction your speech.' The Free Speech Clause does not work that way.
It is instead 'does being on the state university team give the state university a power to punish student speech that it otherwise would not have?'
December 21st, 2016 at 8:21 AM ^
So you're in a public high school. You tell your teacher/ coach to go fuck himself. Probably not going to go the best for you.
December 21st, 2016 at 8:22 AM ^
Plus, the scholorship almost surely has conditions such as representing the institution in a good light -- including speech.
December 21st, 2016 at 8:39 AM ^
...If a state university student were to stand up in the middle of lecture and say "F you" or whatever, then the state university can punish the student. The class room is not a public forum, so free speech rights are more limited and student speakers can be sanctioned/punished for disrupting lecture, etc.
But if the state university student attends a protest on the Diag (a public forum) and gives a speech saying "Prof. ___ is an F'ing antidisestablishmentarian tool" then the Free Speech Clause prevents the state university from pubishing/sanctioning the student.
Generally, governent entities (including state universities) are prohibited from sanctioning speakers because of the content of the speaker's speech, at least when the speech takes place in a public forum.
December 21st, 2016 at 12:22 PM ^
Do we know that the scholarship was "yanked"? Did she have a 4-year scholarship or was it renewed annually? If the latter, then she does not have much of a "right" to a scholarship. Moreover, the scholarship is not a benefit bestowed upon all students and standards to maintain it are certainly reasonable and expected.
December 21st, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
that scholarship can and do have standards and conditions.
As a legal matter, however, those standards and conditions cannot be unconstitutional.
So if the standards and conditions include unconstitutional limits on student-athlete speech, then those conditions are not legally valid.
I get that some people are bothered by this, but I am just letting people know what the Free Speech Clause cases establish.
Don't blame the messenger. OP article is about a law suit and I am just giving some info related to the suit.
December 21st, 2016 at 8:39 AM ^
Just reporting on what the Supreme Court cases say.
You can like it or dislike it. If you dislike it, downvote the Supreme Court.
But don't shoot the mesenger.
December 21st, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
Is this really a First Amendment issue? She was not expelled from school; she lost her athletic scholarship.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:10 AM ^
...there are some First Amendement legal issues here.
Not saying you have to like it or dislike it. But here is the core of the Free Speech Clause issue...
UConn is a state school, so the First Amendment applies. To what degree can a state university sanction a student for her speech?
What limits to otherwise unrestricted state university student speech apply when that student is a member of a team, wearing the uniform of the university, and during an official game?
The answers are not obvious under existing Free Speech Clause cases.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:13 AM ^
double posts are protected by the Free Speech Clause.
Ooops.
December 21st, 2016 at 8:32 AM ^
and every one of your employees "flip off" your customers ... wonder if you would cite the "free speech" clause ???
Go Blue!
December 21st, 2016 at 8:53 AM ^
is why this is a hard case. Government employees do not have a constitutional right to flip the bird to everyone while doing their jobs.
But state university scholarship student athletes are not employees, so the power of a state university to sanction a student for flipping the bird is much more limited than in cases dealing with government employees.
I'm not expressing any opinion one way or another on how this should come out.
Just reporting on what the Supreme Court has held and, therefore, why there are in fact some real constitutional law issues in the UConn thing.
Sorry if folks don't like the way the Supreme Court has applied the First Amendment.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:46 AM ^
I don't know about you, but if I walk into work this morning and starting flipping people off, my guess is I will no longer have that job.
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:52 AM ^
Or your biggest customer
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December 21st, 2016 at 8:24 AM ^
company the Free Speech Clause does not apply and you can and will be fired.
If you work for a government entity then the Free Speech Clause would mean that you cannot be fired becasue the government entity disagrees with your speech, but you can be fired if your speech disrupts or degrades the work of the government entity.
Courts have not yet spoken on the speech rights of college athletes at state universities. The UConn case falls in this area.
From this fall, can a state university college football team punish a player for kneeling during the national anthem? It remains an open question.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:48 AM ^
Free speech yes, but the scholarship is not protected by the constitution. Most scholarships have rules - both academic and conduct related
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December 21st, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^
and conditions.
But that does not mean that all of those rules and conditions comply with the Constitution. If they do not they are null and void.
[Edit: Sorry folks don't like the way the law works. But if the terms and conditions in a state university scholarship violate the Free Speech Clause then the terms and conditions are null and void. That is what it means when something is unconstitutional.]
December 21st, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
hiding behind the first amendment on giving the middle finger to a camera? So what othre physical acts are OK? Joe Mixon using his hand slightly different way? The Minnesota football team?
December 21st, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^
Hitting is not speech or expression. No constitutional protection for hitting people. Obviously.
Flipping the bird is speech/expression and does fall within the ambit if the Free Speech Clause of the 1st Amendment
Again, people can like or dislike the way the Supreme Court applies the First Amendment.
But the fact is that under the existing cases, the student-athlete has a very plausible Free Speech Clause argument against UConn. Not a slam dunk. But very plausible.
Lots of shooting the messenger going on today.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:11 AM ^
Interesting. Don't care. What's he doing to fix the basketball program?
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:13 AM ^
Lol
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:21 AM ^
This might be difficult for some to understand, but there may in fact be another side to this story.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:27 AM ^
probably should have raped another girl instead -would likely only receive a suspension.
December 21st, 2016 at 7:36 AM ^
Wtf
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:44 AM ^
She was just interviewed on good morning America and she blamed being a woman on why she lost her scholarship. After watching it, she took no responsibility. While regretting it, she said it was an impulse and she was just celebrating. While that may be true, the fact is, you are representing a college and have a free ride. Actions have consequences, and hey, you blew it. Tough lesson to learn, but certainly no reason to sue.
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December 21st, 2016 at 10:12 AM ^
first reaction is to flip the bird to the camera. I wonder what she would have done if they had just lost the championship. Her parents must be so proud.
I hope I never see a Michigan athlete act this way.
December 21st, 2016 at 10:30 AM ^
She flipped off a camera and lost her scholarship.
Enosch Wolf was hit with third-degree burglary, criminal trespass and disorderly conduct in a domestic violence incident where he hit a woman. He didn't lose his scholarship.
Warde Manuel was the AD for both incidents.
That isn't a good look.
December 21st, 2016 at 10:40 AM ^
They compare her discipline to the discipline handed out to other athletes in the same athletic department.