ijohnb

December 13th, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^

While it has become more of just a "great at Music" recognition, I think it still does favor musicians who have had an impact, loosely, on the "rock and roll" culture specifically.  JJ's early stuff like Rhythm Nation (and even some of her late career) had a lot of distinct rock and roll elements.  It does not surprise me that she got in before Whitney.

ijohnb

December 13th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^

The problem is that the definition of a "good bowl" changes depending on whether we are in it.  Like the Orange Bowl a couple of years ago was a win in a "good bowl" for Florida State but for Michigan it would have been regarded as "garbage" by the talking heads.  Similarly, if Florida win the Peach Bowl it will be a "good bowl" win for them but not for us if we win it.

I guess that is just how it works now.  If we lose it, it was embarrassing.  If we win it, that just means it wasn't important.  That is the Michigan football fan's reality now.

 

MEZman

December 13th, 2018 at 10:03 AM ^

I enjoyed that the Rock of Ages show in Vegas made fun of Def Leppard because they wouldn't let them use any of their songs. That's about all I've got on Def Leppard... also does the R&R Hall of Fame feel the need to let everyone in at some point? I don't really pay attention but I usually hear about who got in randomly and I always think well this doesn't seem like a very exclusive club.

rob f

December 13th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^

True, but it's not the only "not very exclusive club" in the HOF world.  The Baseball HOF just selected Harold freaking Baines a few days ago.

  It's no coincidence that 3 of the 12 on the committee had connections to the WhiteSux organization, including Tony LaRussa, who managed Baines thru much of his career.

Newton Gimmick

December 14th, 2018 at 5:55 AM ^

It sure seemed like it, but I checked and Baines' .797 OPS vs Detroit is lower than his .820 career OPS.  Only teams he fared worse against in a similar number of PAs were the Angels (.793) and Red Sox (.787).

Teams he killed were the A's (.855), Twins (.851), and Blue Jays (.849).  

On the other hand, Ron Karkovice would definitely be in the HOF if he only faced the Tigers.  Career .962(!) OPS vs Detroit, while just .672 overall.

rob f

December 13th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^

True, but he was much more a compiler of numbers than one of the best players, especially since he was primarily a DH and a defensive liability. I'm not opposed to DHs entering the HOF, but there are a better candidates out there than Baines, especially the more deserving two-way players.

 

umchicago

December 13th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^

...and there was a significant increase in his power numbers for a couple years at about age 36.  this was during the height of PEDs.  though never accused, afaik, it makes me wonder a bit.

but ya, he did pile up some stats by driving in frank thomas but he was never considered one of the top players.  he finished 9th once in mvp voting.  that was his  best.

robpollard

December 13th, 2018 at 1:45 PM ^

Hysteria was the first ever album (well, tape, technically) that I ever bought that I was disappointed in.

I loved Pyromania (still do; Photograph is one of the best rock songs of all-time) and then Def Lep had a serious hiatus due to Rick Allen's injury. By the time Hysteria came around, I was old enough to buy my own music, so I bought Hysteria as soon as it came out.

I listened to it for a good two weeks trying to like it and finally realized, "Eh....it's fine, but too plodding and overproduced." It didn't rock.

I spent much more time with Appetite for Destruction, which came out around the same time (that fantastic album perhaps rocked a bit too much -- my young ears did not quite know what hit them, besides that it was awesome and used some foul language).

Obviously, things worked out OK for them. They deserve to be in based on album sales and influence, alone, so good for them.

 

1VaBlue1

December 13th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^

Yep...  Listening to Sirius radio every day (Ch 25 - classic rock), I've heard voting updates constantly from the DJ that works out of R&R HoF in Cleveland.  Whatever - Def Leppard tripled up the vote over the next closest band.  I don't know who the next closest band was, because I didn't pay attention.  Why do I pay for Sirius XM?  To not have to listen to people blather on.  Just play the music, already...

(Why not Spotify, or similar, you ask?  Sirius is mindlessly easy and all I want to do is listen.  Maybe I'm missing something?  IDK, don't care.  I'm old - get off my lawn!)  (Not as old as MGrowOld, though...)

Mike Damone

December 13th, 2018 at 12:23 PM ^

Yeah...no.

Love MC5. 

But Def Lep, along with Motley Crue and Guns n Roses, are in their own world in regards to their impact on those of us who listed to them - loudly - and partied through the 80's.

If you want to promote MC5 as worthy - I am all about that.  But do not compare them.

 

robpollard

December 13th, 2018 at 1:50 PM ^

You certainly can compare them in terms of influence.

MC5 are like the Velvet Underground -- negligible sales, but a huge impact on numerous, much more popular bands. The MC5 had a big impact on both punk and grunge. Heck, Pearl Jam just played Kick out the Jams this summer in front of 50,000 people -- it killed, as always.

Def Leppard was also hugely influential (specifically, Mutt Lange giving them those arena-ready choruses and guitar hooks) on the 80s pop/hair metal scene. They just happened to be amazingly popular, as well.