Victors not Howler Monkeys

Submitted by SeekingSun on September 14th, 2016 at 10:20 AM

This is my first time starting a thread, so please be kind.

Monday night, Nel Rubin in the Detroit News posted an article containing an idea for the UM game vs. Penn State; a way to protest Penn State's continued lionizing of JoePa and whitewashing his complicity in the Sandusky affair.  This idea, by alumni Tim Flucht, is rather than yell, boo, and wear ugly t-shirts the day of the game, to be silent when PSU enters the stadium and encourage everyone to donate at least $5 apiece toward improving the lives of local children who've been devastated by predators.   $5 x 100K fans = $1/2 Million - which will be more meaning ful than any protest.

Here's the full article.

Here's the gofundme account.

Together we can show who are the real Victors.



September 14th, 2016 at 10:22 AM ^

Not sure what the howler monkey thing is about but your post just made me think that if every football fan in America on Saturdays had 5 dollars of their ticket price go towards a charity that would be a whole lot of money...


September 14th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^

"When I was on vacation this year, my family and I were able to see a large troop of howler monkeys.  Howlers are the loudest sound in nature, with their howls topping out at about 140 decibels, about the same as a jet engine.

This troop traveled through our resort, from nesting to feeding areas. 

In the late morning, when the grounds crew was working, the crew would use leaf blowers to clear the walks.

The blowers made the howlers crazy!  They'd hoot, holler, and howl at the grounds crew, screaming in competition with the leaf blowers.  The overall cacophony was unreal.

Lots of noise, but nothing was accomplished."


September 14th, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

that everyone turn their backs on the team when they enter. A lot of people registered approval of the idea, and I still think it's a good idea. Needs to be something meaningful, forceful, but dignified. Turning their backs would also mean silence, but I'm not sure that silence alone really registers.


September 14th, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^

The silence would be great and damning if almost everyone would actually take part in it, but I doubt even a quarter of the stadium would even be aware of this idea, so I don't know if it can work.


September 14th, 2016 at 10:59 AM ^

That should be the reaction for ALL sports at ALL events until PSU shows contrition, or until a generation has passed and nobody involved in the cover-up or blind hero worship is still around.

You could very easily get the student section to do this.  Blue hairs may be less willing to show any sort of protest.  It may be hard to organize for one game, but if this is just a thing we do, then I think it would take off.

The thing about it is - even if only half the stadium does it, it will show up.  If half the stadium stops booing, it goes unnoticed.

Everyone Murders

September 14th, 2016 at 11:31 AM ^

I like this idea, and it was done before.  At the 1987 graduation, Michigan alum and CBS 60 Minutes anchor Mike Wallace was the commencement speaker.  Unfortunately, he had recently been caught off camera but on tape making racist jokes, so a lot of the graduates were pissed that he was still the commencement speaker.

Many graduates turned their back on Wallace when he gave his commencement address.  There were also bumper stickers distributed, which many placed on their commencement gowns (yellow [not maize!] with blue writing).  So people not in the loop knew what's up.

I'd love to see the stadium pull this off at Penn State's expense, and start a trend. 

BTW, I'm amazed nobody's said this yet on the thread but fuck Penn State and its pedophile enabling supporters.*

*Always keeping in mind that not all Penn State supporters are JoePalogists.  HEY - JoePalogists!  IS THAT A THING HERE?  It should be a thing!


September 14th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

I like that idea a lot actually and I think you could communicate it well enough that quite a bit of the stadium would take part too and it would be on TV for all to see, which is part of the beauty of this particular protest. 

The message in it is pretty damning too, as it should be. A few #Joe Knew hashtags on random backs of shirts perhaps? The turning the back is probably sufficient though. 


September 14th, 2016 at 2:56 PM ^

"You'll never get the entire stadium to be silent."

That's not actually true; the entire stadium has been silent before. Like, pin-drop, hear the heartbeat of the person next to you silent. Granted, that was the moment of silence before the first game played after the 9/11 attacks. So let's hope we never have a reason to repeat that moment. But for a moment big enough, it is in fact possible to get all 110,000 to be quiet at once  --  and it was a truly profound thing to experience. If that could be organized for the Penn State game, whoooo boy would that make a statement.


September 14th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

If this is to work then the only way is to have multiple volunteers at each entry point to the stadium with big signs telling everyone what to do when Penn State runs onto the field and why. Idk how many entry points to the stadium there are but this could be accomplished with under 50 people I assume.


And I agree that turning our backs to them instead of just silence would be the best and most noticeable protest


September 14th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^

Other options:

Turn backs on them as they enter.

Raise and pretend to be reading neespapers as they enter (a UCLA basketball practice from eons ago)

Throw shoes at them (an Iraqi favorite)

Win with a score differential unknown to mankind (my fave)

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The Mad Hatter

September 14th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^

that shoe throwing incident was funny as hell.  I was seriously impressed with the President's reaction time.  It was like someone warned him ahead of time, hey, just so you know, someone might throw a shoe at you during the press conference.


/as for PSU, I think turning our backs is an excellent idea.  Even if only say 1/4 of the people do it, I'll bet the rest of the crowd follows suit quickly.


Hardware Sushi

September 14th, 2016 at 11:03 AM ^

I don't like this idea at all. I don't have an issue with PSU fans continuing to lionize Joe Pa. It serves as a reminder to me to keep all things Michigan football in the appropriate perspective.

Find another forum to be mad about PSU not being mad at Joe Pa.


September 14th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

You are totally fucking wrong.  What needs kept in perspective is that penn state covered up child sexual abuse for a minimum of 10 years and may have for 4 decades.

They need to learn that their paterno football wins were not more important than child safety.  

This is a fantastic opportunity to remind them of that and do something good for children.


September 14th, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^

So you're ok with them worshipping a guy who allowed hundreds of kids to be raped and abused because stopping it might've made it harder to win football games? That's pathetic. If you need situations like this to remind yourself not to enable pedophiles, then you're a piece of shit.

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Bando Calrissian

September 14th, 2016 at 11:13 AM ^

At some point, everyone has to realize PSU isn't going to change. Goofy shirts and a tiny gofundme campaign isn't going to erase a program built around a single man for, what, six decades, no matter what horrors he helped cover up. If they haven't learned yet, they never will.


September 14th, 2016 at 11:27 AM ^

I like the idea, but it won't work. For one there will be PSU fans at the game that will be cheering and break the silence. Two there is no way every Michigan fan will get the message and as a result they will be making noise.

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