USA VS BELGIUM extra time thread

Submitted by Gobgoblue on
Hope this isn't overkill for all the non soccer fans out there. I figure after 300 comments we can use a fresh start. Here we go! USA showing better form now. Is it just me or is Jones not playing well at all?

CLord

July 1st, 2014 at 8:56 PM ^

No joke, the minute I saw them put the camera and that very large, Lebron James clone Belgium striker that came in early in the overtime, I knew he'd hurt the US, and he did, setting up the break away and ultimate goal, and then his own goal.

Watching this giant of a man go up for a ball against the US defender and shed him easily, and then sprint like a gazelle down the field to feed the pass for the first goal, I wondered what it would be like in this country if our Kobes and Lebrons trained in local soccer systems akin to what Germany does with its youth system...

Until then, the US in a World Cup final is not something I'll ever see in my lifetime.

taistreetsmyhero

July 1st, 2014 at 9:04 PM ^

elite success in soccer does not require 6'8 size. soccer is not really best played by basketball body types. it's not necessarily meant for the megatrons of the world either.

a life-long trained denard robinson, on the other hand--that would be a spectacle to behold.

the usa needs the 5'6-6'0ers among us to switch sporting allegiances. 

lukaku is 6'3 and a freak. jozy is 6'1 and he looks like a behemoth out there.

taistreetsmyhero

July 1st, 2014 at 9:31 PM ^

i'd argue that the majority of americans with the ideal soccer body do not train to be soccer players as their primary sport.

the problem is we have so many young kids grow up playing basketball and football, but then keep playing even after they stop growing and will never fill out enough to have a chance at being competitive at the highest level of those sports.

 

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^

is barely big enough to even play shooting guard in the NBA. He's 6'3", 220.

If LeBron James had grown up in Germany he'd probably have become a great basketball player. Or maybe handball. Once he started growing his soccer career would have been over and they'd have pushed him towards something he was better suited for. It's not like these other countries don't have 6'9" guys they could put out there, if it was actually a good idea.

alum96

July 2nd, 2014 at 12:03 AM ^

yes if we go with the athlete meme and basketball is stealing all of soccer's players lets at least focus on point guards which are probably the only guys who really fit on a soccer pitch (outside of GK). Chris Paul for example I'd love with that vision if he was a soccer player for 15 years. As for football you'd want wiry players - there are not a lot of 220+ lb soccer players in this world - outside of men's over 30 rec league. Denard is a great example - the main positions would be DBs Ss smaller RBs... and slot WRs.... So that is actually a relatively sliver of athletes from that sport at least.

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 10:24 PM ^

...the eight group winners won all eight round-of-16 games.

The weaker team could, conceivably, have won a lot of those games (I'm not sure Chile or Greece were actually weaker, but the others certainly were), but they didn't. Even when it goes to penalties, the stronger team tends to win. That's how these tournaments always go--there are lots of might-have-beens along the way but it's always one of that same usual handful of teams that's left standing at the end.

Here's another way of looking at it: there are 209 FIFA members, eight of them are left in the tournament. At least one of those teams has been in every final since WW2. They made up both finalists in six of the last ten.

That's low variance, that is.

taistreetsmyhero

July 1st, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^

goals are so hard to come by, and even great teams can dominate and still find themselves unable to score. all it takes is one chance, but a worse team with worse players will be less likely to take that chance when it comes. so in the end the better team will win the vast majority of the time, but it will still look like the worse team really could have come out on top.

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 9:59 PM ^

...and I don't quite believe them. I wonder if Kicker's been hacked?

successful passes: US 570, Belgium 468

completion rate: US 84%, Belgium 83%

possession: US 54%, Belgium 46%

1v1 win rate: US 55%, Belgium 45% (OK, I believe that one.)

I'm not much of a believer in possession as a key to soccer victory, you can't take these as indicating the US was better or anything like that. But watching that game I would never have guessed that the US had more of the ball or were marginally more successful with their passing.

(There are passes and there are passes, of course.)

taistreetsmyhero

July 1st, 2014 at 10:09 PM ^

if howard had the most possession of anyone on the team.

here's a mildly interesting article on possession tracking that i randomly found earlier today when i saw those stats and was equally confused:

 http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_spot/2014/06/27/soccer_possession_the_inside_story_of_the_game_s_most_controversial_stat.html

Yeoman

July 1st, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^

I didn't know about Opta's methods. Kicker's not using them or it would have been 55/45.

One thing I'm absolutely clear on: possession is not dominance and Italy's won four world cups because they understand that better than anyone else. You're never more vulnerable and less potent than when all 20 players are in the other team's end. For all Spain's possession in the last world cup, they scored nearly every goal on a counterattack. It's very, very hard to score against a competent, packed defense.

Clark Griswold

July 2nd, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

Funny that ESPN FC agrees with me that JK mismanaged his subs. But I'm sure you all still think I'm a fool.