Urbz on Discipline: Roby, Hyde, et. al; ad infinitum

Submitted by boliver46 on July 22nd, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Link originally from 11 Warriors but:

Roby and Hyde Indefinitely Suspended

Translation: Suzpended Until Urbz needz themz

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Danwillhor

July 22nd, 2013 at 5:10 PM ^

if he loses games. sadly, in the B10 he doesn't have much competition. Yet, let him lose back to back to us at anytime and his "illness" will creep back up. Also, a HUGE LMFAO at the osu reaction but not the player crimes. osu concocting a magic fist theory as we speak. It was Perry the ACLephant behind the grsssy knoll! Suspensions lifted yayyyy! lol /grammar

GoWings2008

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:16 PM ^

"I expect our players to conduct themselves responsibly and appropriately and they will be held accountable for their actions.”

yeah, but Urbz...you gotta show them how apparently.

dahblue

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:18 PM ^

Someone needs to make a spreadsheet to keep track of all their arrests today (or at least those reported today):

Hyde
Roby
Gardner
Baugh
Bell
Some others?

And, I bet, there's going to be a wee bit of inverse correlation between severity of punishment and *s.

dahblue

July 22nd, 2013 at 5:03 PM ^

Reports show Bell arrested:

...highly touted safety recruit Vonn Bell was arrested for an open container in Tennessee after the vehicle he was riding in was pulled over and the driver was issued a DWI.  Normally, an open container would warrant a ticket and a fine.  Perhaps the fact that he is underage had something to do with his arrest?

As for Hyde, I have a feeling he hasn't been arrested because the victim hasn't been interviewed yet and there is possibly video of the (alleged) assault given that most bars have CCTV.  They're going to want to make sure to get the details right before charging (or, if you believe the conspiracy folk, allow time for the victim to get paid off).  Fairly safe bet that if the early reports are true (coming from the roommate of the victim) that he'll be arrested soon.

Budinski

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:19 PM ^

I have no problem with indefinite suspensions until the outcome of the accused players trials. I think people automotically assume guilt too often these days. Why cut a player from the team when he may not have done anything legally wrong. Morally is another issue, maybe warranting a suspension but not a permanent seperation from the university. 

boliver46

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:26 PM ^

but compare the severity of the punishment doled out to the guys who "don't matter", i.e. a freshman expected to redshirt anyways being sent home for obstruction of official business  vs. the blue-chip starter.  They certainly didn't wait for a verdict on that one.  This is throwing a nondescript player who wouldn't have contributed this year "under the bus" to make it seem like they are taking swift and decisive action.

Budinski

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:45 PM ^

That is very true and I agree with that sentiment that the punishments weren't equivalent. I don't agree with not giving equal punishment. The only valid reason would be if there were more facts present for the Gardner case, like if he willingly admitted that he was pleading guilty. In that case a punishment could come before judgement. 

CriticalFan

July 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 PM ^

That's because of his "consistent standard" of discipline: everyone in the circle of friends gets to walk, 3stars go home has been how he has operated for years.

What a heaven-sent opportunity to send a message to OSU commits and freshmen about getting with the program!! 

mh277907

July 23rd, 2013 at 8:10 AM ^

First of all, we don't know all the facts so I am not going to rush to judgement on any of these kids. Secondly, Gardner had to "earn" his scholarship. He actually tried to commit and the staff told him that he had to lose some weight first. So, yes, I do think that it is absolutely fair that you kick a kid off the team if that kid who knows damn well that he must do everything right, including staying out of trouble, and work harder than anyone to be on this team and then subsequently gets in trouble with the law.

Butterfield

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:22 PM ^

I have inside info that Urbz has commissioned a graphic designer to repaint the wall mural using Comic Sans font to rectify the player misunderstandings that have been occuring recently.  The problem was with the Arial font, clearly. 

 

Fhshockey112002

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:27 PM ^

How can anyone honestly take Gene Smith seriously with this quote?

 

"Swift, effective and fair discipline is the standard for our entire athletics program," athletic director Gene Smith said in a statement. "I applaud Coach Meyer for his immediate actions."

ca_prophet

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:32 PM ^

it is a sign of abuse, they're getting into alcohol-related fights/crimes, or they get behind the wheel of a car. Absent that sort of thing I don't see it as a big deal or a blot on a team/coach/college.

Assault, if its not the usual pushing and shoving where no one is injured beyond the band-aid scrape level, is something different. As best I can tell, Roby's activity doesn't rise to that level, so missing a few games seems a reasonable punishment (and calling this out to his future employers, which could really affect him).

Carlos Hyde on the other hand seems to have actually hurt someone; if that gets proven out, he should not be allowed back.

JT4104

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^

I really want to give Urbz the benefit of the doubt....while your job is to win games, your job is also to help build these young people into grown ass men. 

I'm not saying be their Dad's but jeez, the 30+ at Florida and 9 already in less than 2 yrs at Ohio is just sad.

xxxxNateDaGreat

July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 PM ^

"Your job is also to help build these young people into grown ass men."

I'm willing to bet this noton will not be popular, but: no, his job is not to mold college athletes into pillars of the community. His job is to win championships and keep the fan/donor money flowing. Would I want a coach like that here at Michigan? Hell. No. But at most places on all levels of competition, the head football coach's sole job is to win championships and damn the expense (financial or moral). Is it right? Probably not. but it works for the universities and that's why they keep doing this.

So that nobody takes this the wrong way, I'm not condoning coaches who are terrible, heartless people. I'm simply saying that most of the more successful universities in the NCAA pay a coach to win games and bring in the money and would gladly risk character issues, scandals, and negative press to do it. Just ask UNC, USC, SMU, Notre Dame, Miami, Ohio State, Rutgers, Oregon, Mississippi State, Tennessee, MSU, South Carolina, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Arkansas State, and (yes) Alabama.

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2013 at 8:04 PM ^

I don't know man.  While I agree you have to win, I do not agree they don't care about character.  Just because it isn't always the first thing on the agenda doesn't mean that administrators don't expect the coach to keep their players out of trouble and out of negative news.  They may not necessarily expect them to be great molders of young men, but they sure as heck don't want the negative publicity that comes with arrests and scandals.    I'd guess if you ask the administrators at all those universities you mentioned they'd probably tell you they pay a lot more attention to the character of their coaches after running into problems than they did before.  Winning is a pre-requisite, but doing so without getting into trouble and breaking the rules is also expected.

Brick in The Wave

July 22nd, 2013 at 8:45 PM ^

Good administrators (talking Gee here so....) certainly want there programs out of headlines no matter the win record. I have been lucky enough to have had the opportunity to coach a team sport at a reasonably high level. We recruited for character always and in the long run it always payed off. Not saying we ignored talent but our administrators valued that our players were rarely in trouble, had good grades and were punished appropriately when they did make a mistake.

Lazer with a Z

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:36 PM ^

Anybody else thinking that this might be the reason OSU's pre-B1G schedule is so weak every year? It's like they know they are going to have at least a couple of starters suspended early in the year. They know their second stringers can handle the cupcakes. 

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2013 at 8:13 PM ^

Yeah, I remember them playing Texas, USC, and Miami as home and homes before they signed Cal.  USC was #3 and #1 the two years they played them.  Miami was #12 the first time they played them in 2010.  Texas was pretty sick too and they split with them.  When they scheduled Cal they were good...that wasn't exactly their fault.  They typically try to play one national brand and the rest cup cakes, but they do make an effort to play one national brand. Hard to fault that too much.

maizenblue92

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

This Steve Spurrier quote can apply to playing Ohio : “I don’t know. I sort of always liked playing them that second game because you could always count on them having two or three key players suspended.”

ChiBlueBoy

July 22nd, 2013 at 4:51 PM ^

I think the biggest issue is down the road, and not just with these players. In future recruiting battles some other coach (not Hoke, per all that I've seen) is going to negative recruit, and a recruit's parents are going to think twice about sending their child to play on a team where this sort of activity becomes mundane.

Wolfman

July 22nd, 2013 at 5:44 PM ^

Remember it wasn't that long ago that Carr allowed 3 or 4 players convicted of felonies to stay on the team. What did he do to the starters? He set them the first play of the game and they weren't announced in the starting lineup. One of them that I know of is still playing in the NFL. To be fair, their records were later expunged,but to be convicted of a felony is pretty serious business. They stole a a lot of shit.