Updated 247 Rankings for 2020

Submitted by Gentleman Squirrels on February 27th, 2019 at 1:01 PM

*Up/Down changes represent changes in 247 rankings. Not necessarily composite rankings

Michigan commits

  • LB Osman Savage - Down 58 spots (247 - #422, Composite - #260)
  • CB Andre Seldon - Down 44 spots (247 - #368, Composite - #265)
  • QB JD Johnson - Up 34 spots (247 - #636, Composite - #300)
  • WR Kalil Branham - Down 20 spots (247 - #257, Composite - #341)
  • LB Cornell Wheeler - Down 99 spots (247 - #722, Composite - #477)
  • TE Nick Patterson - Down 105 spots (247 - #1003, Composite - #508)
  • OT Micah Mazzccua - 1st ranking (247 - #831, Composite - #783)

Notable In state Movements

  • SDE Braiden McGregor - Up 253 spots (247 - #27, Composite - #201)
  • OG Justin Rogers - Down 22 spots (247 - #40, Composite - #22)
  • WR Rashawn Williams - Down 25 spots (247 - #287, Composite - #164)
  • S Makari Paige - Up 5 spots (247 - #194, Composite - #222)
  • ATH Cameron Martinez - Down 9 spots (247 - #331, Composite - #411)
  • WDE Bryce Mostella - Down 17 spots (247 - #277, Composite - #391)

Other Major Targets

  • TE Theo Johnson - Up 194 spots (247 - #224, Composite - #234)
  • RB Blake Corum - Down 50 spots (247 - #396, Composite - #206)
  • WR AJ Henning - Down 96 spots (247 - #120, Composite - #76)
  • S Jordan Morant - Up 107 spots (247 - #41, Composite - #111)
  • ATH Daniyel Ngata - Up 83 spots (247 - #71, Composite - #70)
  • LB Devin Hightower - Up 227 spots (247 - #678, Composite - #582)
  • LB Kalel Mullings - Down 35 spots (247 - #179, Composite - #106)
  • OT Tosh Baker - Up 503 spots!!! (247 - #54, Composite - #39) - Teammate of QB commit JD Johnson
  • OT Andrew Gentry - Up 147 spots (247 - #77, Composite - #56)
  • OT Michael Carmody - No change (247 - #172, Composite - #132)
  • OT Zak Zinter - 1st Ranking (247 - #316, Composite - #225)
  • OT John Young - Down 57 (247 - #591, Composite - #393)

Gentleman Squirrels

February 27th, 2019 at 1:09 PM ^

I probably missed a couple big names, but point is that there is a lot of movement still left to happen. People have been worried about Michigan not in contention with any top 100 type players, but current players out of the top 100 can still jump in over the course of the year.

Bodogblog

February 27th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

"People have been worried about Michigan not in contention with any top 100 type players, but current players out of the top 100 can still jump in over the course of the year." 

Braiden McGregor for example, is now #27.  We lead in CB's for him.  This would put us in contention for a top 100 type player, because he jumped into the top 100, given he was a current player out of the top 100 previously. 

Bodogblog

February 27th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

Yes, that's the point he made and to which you responded.  You chose to ignore his point and lodge a separate complaint unrelated to his point.  I'm here to help you understand the difference. 

If you wish to discuss your unrelated complaint, see my comment below. 

DrMantisToboggan

February 27th, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^

Was going to say, Martinez dropping after OSU and PSU jumped in is odd. AJ Henning’s drop shocked me.

These rankings really give credence to Michigan’s OL and DL scouting. McGregor now a five star and the top player in the state just like we have him pegged. Aaron Lewis from NJ a big riser too. Almost all the OL targets Ed identifies early rose significantly.

Good to see Morant get his recognition too. I think we will get him.

Magnus

February 27th, 2019 at 1:20 PM ^

Sure, but there are a lot of P5 offers going out these days. They're not the only ones. It's that time of the year when the 2019 class has wrapped up, new evaluations are being done, and some schools are making sure to offer Tier 2 and Tier 3 guys since the guys at the top of their lists have either committed or named a top five or top ten that don't include their schools.

mGrowOld

February 27th, 2019 at 1:25 PM ^

Um this sort of blows up the idea that's been floated around here the past couple of days that the coaches spot and offer talent early, only to see their rankings rise once offered.  Based on these early returns the exact opposite appears to be happening as 5 of the 7 commits went down, some significantly, since they accepted with only one improving.

Is it ok to say we just might have a recruiting challenge facing us without the discussion devolving into a full-scale pissing match?  Can we at least acknowledge that these ratings are somewhat less than wonderful and yes, even though the coaches know exponentially more than me, these arent great results right now?

These numbers are kinda shocking to me to be honest.  

Gentleman Squirrels

February 27th, 2019 at 1:32 PM ^

I don't think you can make that claim until after the camp circuit has subsided over the summer. A lot of these kids blow up during camps when they can show the work they have done in between the end of their junior year and the start of their senior year. While Michigan commits haven't moved much in these rankings, some of the early offers that Michigan made have actually risen significantly. Most of the lineman listed above had no profiles/minimal offers when Michigan offered them.

mGrowOld

February 27th, 2019 at 1:35 PM ^

"While Michigan commits haven't moved much in these rankings, some of the early offers that Michigan made have actually risen significantly."

This is what I'm having a hard time understanding as I keep hearing this repeated here over the past couple of days.  We have 7 commits so far and 5 of them have dropped since they accepted their offer if I'm reading the OP's post correctly.   Where do you see that some of the early offers, with the one notable exception, are rising?

Not being snarky here - just genuinely confused by your post given the data the OP presented.

DrMantisToboggan

February 27th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

Yes, it does, actually, because we've never ever taken a 7-man class, and also it's February. It would only be logical to judge the class on the current commits if 1. we were not taking any more commits, and 2. the rankings of the current commits were final. Because neither point 1 or 2 is true, this is not how you should judge our class.

Gentleman Squirrels

February 27th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^

I think it's fair to be concerned based on the data above. However, if you track it from when these players were offered, there has been an upward trajectory based on more info being available and more attention being placed on these kids. Seldon has risen about 200 spots since his committment. Johnson has risen 350 spots. The tackles that were offered (such as Baker, Zinter, Rosengarten) are especially notable for their rises. I just don't want to press the panic button until September, because historically Michigan gets the bulk of its class around the summer time and you get a clear idea of who is on the rise and who is not.

Ziff72

February 27th, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^

It is less than ideal, but it really feels like we have the best staff from a recruiting perspective that I can remember.   The proof will be in the pudding, but I can't really see a spot that we are weak in recruiting on the staff.   Maybe Zordich?   Even our coordinators are strong recruiters.  

That gives me comfort moving forward.

 

 

Maize N' Ute

February 27th, 2019 at 1:32 PM ^

Logical debate is not a thing on the blog.  I must say, I agree with your assessment.  These are rather less than inspiring rankings for a program such as Michigan.  I think Harbaugh screwed the pooch with his offense, and now Michigan has to play catch up with the elite offensive skilled recruits.  I'm expecting much more from a coach who is paid elite money, but is giving "meh" performance on and off the field.

DrMantisToboggan

February 27th, 2019 at 1:45 PM ^

This is hilarious to me as an excellent example of how different humans can see the same thing and have two entirely different takeaways based on what their previous bias was.

The talking point just two days ago was “Michigan isn’t in on any top 100 prospects”. By my count, after this rerank, we are very high choices for 12 guys in 247’s new top 100, 9 of whom were not in the top 100 yesterday. Nearly 10% of the top 100 are guys we 1. Identified as elite before the industry, and 2. Are in great shape for. It also has to be mentioned that this is still just the first rerank of many. 

However, if your prejudice is that our staff can’t recruit or identify talent, you probably look at Henning dropping (injury), Martinez dropping, Osman dropping, etc.

mGrowOld

February 27th, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^

Ok now I'm even more confused.  There are exactly six top 100 players listed in the OPs post yet y you reference we are high choices for 12.  I'm assuming you've seen the entire list (I havent) and that's what your basing that statement upon?   Because the only thing I'm referring to is the OP's post data and none of what you claim can be pulled from that.

To be clear my only "bias" is that I want Michigan to do well on the football field and I know the better the player we recruit, the better our chances are of achieving that objective.  And when I see our actual commits to date, not our targets, our actual seven commits, having an average composite rating of 419 I get a bit concerned.  

 

 

Bodogblog

February 27th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^

Yes, he's giving you more data, that shouldn't be hard to discern if I can say that without being rude, and I only say that because you not seeing that - in my eyes - speaks to your desire to see a negative narrative. 

Two things are happening here: 1) guys we have committed are generally falling, not great; 2) guys we prioritized as great players, offered, recruited heavily, and are in a good position for, have risen from outside or even way outside the top 100 into the top 100, pretty great. 

I'm a bit concerned over the current commits, but know this is just a re-rank and this can change.  Given that, concern level is low.  I'm happy to see the staff identified talent that the recruiting industry is just now seeing is elite.  We should get some of them. 

My overall reaction is mild. 

DrMantisToboggan

February 27th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^

Yes, I actually read the thing I am posting about before posting about it. Crazy thing to do on the internet, but I've done it.

Michigan is a legit contender for Bijan Robinson, Braiden McGregor, Justin Rogers, Jordan Morant, Lathan Ransom, Tosh Baker, Daniyel Ngata, Andrew Gentry, Lawrance Toafili, Roger Rosengarten, Michael Carmody, and Brian Branch. We've been involved with Phillip Webb but it will be a tough pull. That's just the top 100. 

In our three top ten classes under Jim, we've averaged 5 top 100 players (6 in 2016, 6 in 2017, 3 in 2019). We will be on track to sign another top ten class if we land 4-6 of the 12 or 13 guys above (or someone that will eventually be in the top 100). That's not hard to project right now. I think we lead for McGregor. I think we will land Rogers and Morant. I think we can get 2 of the OL (Baker, Gentry, Rosengarten, Carmody). I think we can 1 of the RBs (Robinson, Ngata, Toafili). 

Re: your bias - check Shea's eligibility status. I think it's fair to say you have a tendency to view things in the most negative light possible when it comes to Michigan football.

Judging by 7 commits to date in February is dumb, I don't know what to tell you there. I don't think we've ever taken a 7 man class (not in the last century at least) and we've never shut down recruiting in February.

mGrowOld

February 27th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

"This is hilarious to me as an excellent example of how different humans can see the same thing and have two entirely different takeaways based on what their previous bias was."

You're absolutely right.  I thought Shea wouldnt be made eligible because I thought (incorrectly happily), the NCAA wouldnt miss a chance to stick it us if they could.  But somehow that fear has been twisted to mean I view Michigan football negatively even though my position was negative towards the NCAA, not Michigan football.

Oh one more thing.  The ONLY prediction I got wrong this year when picking how we'd do was the OSU game cause I picked us to WIN.  Is it being "negative" when you accurately predict losses as I did at Notre Dame and against Florida?

ColeIsCorky

February 27th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^

And the honest truth is that every year we go through this same discussion, every year people complain about commits and how low ranked many of the kids are (especially after this first re-rank), and then what we find out is that most of them move up significantly throughout the year still.

Here is what we need to understand.

1) The 2019 class just signed completely. Recruiting focus on these services was mostly limited on the 2020 class until the 2019 class ended. That was literally less than a month ago even though I do acknowledge the early signing period should help speed up the process. Regardless, there is no way the services have the time to re-evaluate every single prospect over that short window of time (meaning already "ranked" prospects) as well as rank and review film of new prospects that are receiving offers from schools that previously were unknown to the recruiting services. There is too much Junior film to watch and too many prospects altogether. Plus, offers have been going out like wildfire over the last month, which usually delays evaluations of those prospects.

2) Most of the kids that "dropped" did not have a drop in recruit score but rather had other kids jump them who were either just re-evaluated or evaluated for the first time. If player X drops 100 spots, it is likely there were 100 kids who were just given a bump or first evaluated and not that player X is all of a sudden a worse recruit. This is also why the lower ranked the kid is, the more their recruiting ranking "lowered." I can't say this is the fact every single time this early, but chances are extremely likely that is the case. You would need to look at the recruit scores before and after to determine that. Most of these recruits who did "drop" likely have not been re-evaluated yet.

3) To go along with both of these, which again has been a discussion every single year that I can remember, the time to really start looking at recruit rankings is after the Summer Camp re-evaluations. While those aren't final, that is the first chance recruiting services really get a shot to both re-evaluate prospects as well as truly get a chance to even see these kids in action and get a good comparative analysis with other prospects in the camps. Not to mention the services have finally had the time to review all prospects and go over their Junior films completely and/or other scouting.

All that being said, these recruits you see that you expected either a rise or at least not to drop so much, just assume that they have not been re-evaluated by 247 Sports. I haven't looked to see if there is another planned "re-rank" before the summer camp evaluations, but either way that is almost certainly the case. And I have a feeling Sam Webb will get these same complaints and likely address them soon so that you don't just hear this from some Joe Schmoe who has no affiliation with any of the recruiting services but rather just gets frustrated at all of the pessimism and over-analysis of these "re-ranks" and therefore cannot help but vent such frustrations with the (long-shot) hope of bringing a little bit more understanding to all of this.

Mr Miggle

February 27th, 2019 at 2:05 PM ^

The idea that a Michigan offer brings along an immediate bump in ratings has been used as an argument against the staff's evaluation abilities.  

What do new ratings in February reflect? I'm curious. Are there any camps taking place? Have any of these players had a game since last year? I'm guessing the answers are no.

Champeen

February 27th, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

Kids that dreamed of playing football, but sucked ass, and are now being paid 25k a year, are ranking these prospects from their moms basement.  

People that have played football at a high level, coached football at a high level, and are paid millions of dollars to evaluate these kids, and run billion dollar programs, are offering these prospects.

TRUST THE OFFERS, IGNORE THE RANKING!!!!

CMHCFB

February 27th, 2019 at 4:38 PM ^

While it is early, there are certainly concerns with the class as it sits today.  It is much easier to get off to a hot start when you land 1-2 big names and they recruit others to join them. UM doesn’t have a commit that will draw others at this point.    OSU has 4-5 top 100 commmits and two they are very active in recruiting others, especially Jack Miller and Paris Johnson.  

There is also a lot of back and forth momentum in recruiting, UM will get a big time commit, momentum will return and the class will get better.  

Night_King

February 27th, 2019 at 1:37 PM ^

247 is very high on McGregor. Really hope we land him.

Trieu has his ballz on us and Lorenz recently put his ballz on the good guys as well. More ballz on us the better 

 

northernmich

February 27th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

Ouch. Seeing 5 of 7 drop isn’t a great sight. Not gonna hit panic mode because it’s still so early, but we need to be more selective here on out. Hope we don’t lose McGregor to a southern school either. I really love Jordan Morant too. Him and Dax at S would be great for our future defenses.

UofM626

February 27th, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^

Still can’t understand how there are so many Michigan kids rated this high? I live in Southern California and I see kids especially lineman that are not even rated in Cali that are just as good if not better then some of these 3* and even some low 4* type kids. 

 

Also so how are we missing on so many of the instate kids?