UM/ND: Who needs it more?

Submitted by rb4kb8 on September 9th, 2010 at 4:58 PM

This guy on Rome is Burning.. Petros... says UM needs this game more than ND... and ND will win b/c Brian Kelly has it all fixed and RR is the wrong kind of change.

But do we really need this game more than ND?  I disagree.

We got our win we needed vs. UCONN... I think a 3-1 record in the non-conference is okay... as long as it becomes a 7 or 8 win season..

I really think ND needs this more than us. 

I'm not going to explain this well... but I feel like people expect us to lose and RR to fail... and everyone is calling Kelly the new savior... if they lose to us again.. .that's not good for South Benders... or the school or the coach...

Comments

gater

September 9th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^

I think we do. RR has been put through the ringer since he's been here.  He needs as many wins to shut the media up.  It is also a good chance to put himself in a positive light versus Kelly who the media loves right now.

rb4kb8

September 9th, 2010 at 5:05 PM ^

I said 3-1 non-conference would be "okay".  Certainly not happy.

No one would be happy with the loss obviously, but I just happen to think a loss for ND hurts them more than a loss hurts us.   I might be wrong.. my wife says I'm wrong all the time.. yet I still throw out stupid opinions.

joeyb

September 9th, 2010 at 5:07 PM ^

If RR loses, it's because the system doesn't work. If BK loses, then it's because it is a rebuilding year.

If we beat ND, there is a good chance we start 6-0 and the pressure of getting to a bowl game is off of the players' shoulders. I say that we need every game more than our opponent until we get to 6 wins.

WichitanWolverine

September 9th, 2010 at 8:54 PM ^

We are in year 3 of the RR era.  They are in year 1 of the BK (no, not Burger King...that era just ended) era.  Our program definitely needs this win more.  The ND fanbase won't (or shouldn't) be all over Kelly if ND drops the second game of his tenure.  But we all know what the Michigan "fans" love to do to RichRod.  Well put, joeyb.

M-Wolverine

September 9th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^

But Rich needs it more. Get rolling, get a win vs. a rival, win a big road game, and show his system is more in place by year 3 than the coach in year 1. The season isn't a wreck if we lose, but ND has nothing to lose but hype. It's year 1, and any problems he has he can blame on the previous guy. ND is expected to win at home, but all they really have to lose by losing is historical standing and losing the home field in the back and forth of trying to still an extra all time win by getting it at the other guy's place.

oakapple

September 9th, 2010 at 5:24 PM ^

In his third year, Rich Rodriguez is under more pressure to produce a winning season. Michigan could still go over .500 without beating the Irish, so a loss in South Bend wouldn’t be disastrous by any means. Nevertheless, Winning Right Now is more crucial to Rodriguez’s future than Kelly’s.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 9th, 2010 at 5:33 PM ^

Yea but that show was clear that they had no knowledge of Michigan's personnel outside of DR and clearly had no knowledge of our personnel for the previous two years.  Not much football knowledge was exibited in that show.  It was a rather sad display...little to no preparation.

Giff4484

September 9th, 2010 at 5:39 PM ^

Our coach is on the "hot seat"
Our fan base is over blowing ever roster move.
Our QB can't throw ...
Our D is horrible....
I can go on and on with the media crap about our team.

Buy as we say... To hell with Notre dame!

dieseljr32

September 9th, 2010 at 5:50 PM ^

Michigan needs this game alot more than ND.  We need every game alot more than any of the opponents we will face this year just for the simple reason, by winning the media will shut the f*ck up. 

diehardalum

September 9th, 2010 at 5:54 PM ^

who wants it more!  I think hands down, its our guys.  This team is out to prove a lot of doubters wrong this year.  I thnk that most of the Notre Dame fans have been accustomed to mediocracy where as I believe that Michigan  will be the most hungry Michigan team we've seen a quite a few years.  Go Blue!!

pullin4blue

September 9th, 2010 at 6:01 PM ^

We definitely need the win more than ND. How many recruits have you read about saying they'll wait to see how the ND season goes before they think about giving a commitment? None. How many Michigan recruits have said they'll wait to see how the season goes before they commit? A ton. We need this to get in on, or stay on some quality recruits. Rich knows exactly the type of player he wants, right now he just can't get them all. 

When recruits begin to see the real fruits of Barwis' labor we will be in on every 4-5* player in the nation who isn't afraid of snow. Our O-line was impressive. They opened holes I could run through,  and UConn couldn't stop Martin. The thing of it is that UConn is actually a much better team than they looked like last Saturday. They are going to beat a lot of teams.

StephenRKass

September 9th, 2010 at 6:10 PM ^

Who cares what ND needs? God isn't a welfare case manager deciding to award one or the other team the win because they "need it more."

But, to answer your question directly, I believe Michigan, and more specifically, RR, needs it more. Reasons have been given above, but here they are, along with a few others:

  • RR is in year three, and is expected to produce.
  • Kelly is in year one, and is given a free pass.
  • It shuts up the media hounds, Freep and otherwise, after Michigan.
  • It builds confidence for both Denard and our young defense.
  • It is part of the foundation for a strong recruiting year for Michigan.
  • It sets Michigan up for a 7 - 5 record at a minimum, putting us in a bowl game, with the attendant extra practice and publicity.
  • It takes pressure off, so that the team can play aggressively to win in the harder five games (OSU, PSU, Wisc., Iowa, MSU,) and  realistically end up at 8 - 4. This record leads to a better bowl, and literally no questions about RR. (I've heard some suggest that 7 - 5 isn't enough, but I haven't heard anyone question whether 8 - 4 is enough to take RR off the "hot seat.")

Captain Scumbag

September 9th, 2010 at 6:45 PM ^

Agree with all that with one exception: RR isn't off the hot seat, even with an 8-4 season. He doesn't get fired at the end of the year, but that doesn't mean he'd be back in 2012 with 100%. I realize the conditions under which UM goes 8-4 or better in 2010 and fireably bad in 2011 are 5% territory at the most (least?), but they do exist.

PhillipFulmersPants

September 9th, 2010 at 6:10 PM ^

(lopsided score, turnovers, giving tons of big plays, special teams horrors) would be killer. No way Michigan can do this early in the season after 08 and 09.  I don't think it will happen, though.  Play well and still lose to ND would not be good, but it would probably keep the wolves at bay until the Big Ten schedule starts. Beating 2 of the 3 rivals this year will go a long way with the fan base. Beating 3? Get'r done.

ND can probably afford to lose this and not suffer much. Kelly gets a two-year honeymoon at least, doesn't he?  I don't think he'll need it, though. He'll have them going soon. Maybe this year. Next year for sure. 

PhillipFulmersPants

September 9th, 2010 at 6:10 PM ^

(lopsided score, turnovers, giving tons of big plays, special teams horrors) would be killer. No way Michigan can do this early in the season after 08 and 09.  I don't think it will happen, though.  Play well and still lose to ND would not be good, but it would probably keep the wolves at bay until the Big Ten schedule starts. Beating 2 of the 3 rivals this year will go a long way with the fan base. Beating 3? Get'r done.

ND can probably afford to lose this and not suffer much. Kelly gets a two-year honeymoon at least, doesn't he?  I don't think he'll need it, though. He'll have them going soon. Maybe this year. Next year for sure. 

jrt336

September 9th, 2010 at 6:13 PM ^

Why does ND need this game? Most people knowledgeable about their program aren't expecting a great season. Do you think people will want to fire BK after 2 games?

NateVolk

September 9th, 2010 at 6:20 PM ^

It sure seems like we have the better more experienced talent in this game. We are stronger on both lines. Plus the guys are fully comfortable with what the coaches are teaching in year 3.

We are expected to drop the ball to them a few times like we did for everyone else last year. Plus we have stunk on the road. Otherwise we would be favored.

We are the better team and we have more to lose because you shouldn't lose to teams that you are better than.

But need?

I figure the  players got the need and desire thing handled. There is no way any group of guys could want or need wins more than this group. They have been through a lot. 

msoccer10

September 10th, 2010 at 10:57 AM ^

You should check out Irish's diary about returning ND players. They are older and more highly rated than our players especially on offense. For instance, do you consider Denard more experienced that Dayne Crist. Both have started one game this year and both played sparingly last year but Crist is a red shirt junior and Denard is a true sophomore. And Crist was a 5 start while Denard was a 4 star. That comparison is similar to the rest of the roster for both teams.

They lost their starting qb and three offensive linemen, but in general, our team is neither more talented, nor more experienced. Now, I think we will have an advantage because we have been running the same system on offense for three years, but our defensive scheme has changed this year as well.

Finally, its in South Bend. I believe we can win, but I think the Irish have plenty of good reason to believe that they should be the better team on Saturday.

OSUMC Wolverine

September 9th, 2010 at 6:25 PM ^

You know, I think ND is being given far too much credit.  I think its far more likely that we beat a Big East contender soundly and ND beat a bottom 3 Big Ten team than we beat a Big East cellar dweller and ND beat the dark horse for the Big Ten title.  We looked far better playing what in all likelihood was a superior team.  I have no reason to feel that ND would even beat UConn.  ND has 3 new starters on an oline, an unproven qb, and a defense we shredded last year.  Their offense in no way should be better than last year and I think our offense is likely improved (although Forcier did look like a machine against ND last year).  Furthermore, if the weather is crap due to the tropical moisture remnants, that plays in our favor being a run oriented team more often than not.

We will win this game double digit style....

Edward Khil

September 9th, 2010 at 10:03 PM ^

There were 3 fumbles, no TOs.

But I wouldn't expect an Irish fan to be level-headed going into a game against their most hated rival, the Team that taught them how to play football in the first place.

All that aside, "Irish" is a welcome addition among the mgobloggers.  But normally, sir, you're a bit more realistic.  Spit that foam out of your mouth before saying Michigan is a bottom 3 Big Ten team.

Or wait until Saturday night.  That's fine, too.