UM Hockey Twitter war...mgoblog vs childrenof yost

Submitted by winterblue75 on March 25th, 2013 at 5:45 PM
  1. the forced niceness on various Michigan hockey twitter feeds is getting grating.

     
  2. @mgoblog Almost as grating as whiny tweets from people who forcequit on their hockey coverage midseason.

     

@ChildrenOfYost let's let the smouldering corpse of the tourney streak cool before telling each other how awesome we are maybe.

 
  1. @mgoblog sounds like you feel strongly about it, maybe you should publish an article on an internet weblog so others can read and discuss.

     
  2. @ChildrenOfYost I will. I suggest you continue to do... nothing.

  3. @mgoblog Doing nothing will have to wait! Gotta go throw some water bottles at fellow spectators who aren't spectating properly.

     
  4. @ChildrenOfYost I am of course mortified that reaction has come to light in a front page article I wrote on MGoBlog. Sick burn.

Comments

Owl

March 25th, 2013 at 6:51 PM ^

Some of them are no longer students, but still sit in the student section. I'd hesitate to call them "shadowy," though- they seem like nice enough people in person. They do organize the flag stuff, which is pretty cool. 

Don't pretend like the COY initiated this out of no where, though. I don't think they should have responded, but Brain basically called them (and others) out for not being more negative, which must be weird and threatening from the perspective of a (mostly) student fan group. 

MGoBender

March 25th, 2013 at 7:16 PM ^

This was the tweet that started it.

I guess you can say Brian "basically called [CoY] out."  I sure as hell wouldn't make that argument.  The argument I would make is that Brian thinks people are being too positive about a team that shit the bed for 85% of the year because they almost salvaged it.

Note that Brian mentioned nobody in particular and that CoY responded defensively directly at Brian.  

coldnjl

March 25th, 2013 at 8:20 PM ^

the forced niceness on various Michigan hockey twitter feeds is getting grating.

I am not sure I get your "at" anyone comment...It seems Brians tweet is directed at a very small number of candidates. Whether or not they started the @ stuff, the orignial tweet does appear to address CoY within the very narrow group of Michigan hockey twitter feeds...Which they then responded, which is understandable

WolvinLA2

March 25th, 2013 at 6:41 PM ^

I don't agree with the CoY post.  Sure, they played very well in their last 10 games, but a season is more than your last 10 games.  This is like me saying that how awesome it was that we scored 28 points in the fourth quarter to lose by only 2, and how awesome is that because 28 points in one quarter is great!  

Finishing the season 8-1-1 would be great if they were doing well before that.  Then, we'd be bummed that they didn't win the CCHA but we'd be gearing up for a high seed in the tourney.  Instead, the hockey season ended before the basketball season.  

I'm certainly not one of those fans who tear down players and attack them as if they're 30 year old professionals making millions of dollars, but I'm not opposed to being let down and complaining about it when your team sucks. 

A big reason why M sports is so great is the passion of the fanbase.  That passion can cut both ways, as it should.

Wolverine Devotee

March 25th, 2013 at 7:58 PM ^

Yep, that was me. I posted tweets saying exactly what you screenshotted back then. What's your point? Get over it. You bring that up as if it has something to do with the topic of this thread. 

You not only post that consistently on threads like it's some kind of incriminating evidence of me, but you also go back and post dumb things like like it's some kind of incriminating evidence with Professor X in on the front page post. 

You must have some kind of folder on your computer entitled: "Incriminating Evidence of MGoBloggers".

It's cute actually. I have a fan. 

ehsquared

March 25th, 2013 at 6:18 PM ^

You are sooo right!  Marriage counselors often say the opposite of love is not anger but, apathy.  Hence, getting into a spitting match over the object of ones love can actually be a healthy sign they still care.....maybe even a lot!

bacon1431

March 25th, 2013 at 6:24 PM ^

Both sides come out looking childish in this IMO.

If Brian doesn't like their twitter, don't follow them.

COY should realize Brian's job isn't to be a fan, but provide an opinion and analysis.

Seth

March 25th, 2013 at 6:25 PM ^

Eh. The Children of Yost are a fan group, like Maize Rage. They ought to be defensive over the team, and Rage-Quit is apt for what went on here. I think if Brian is going to have credibility when he heaps praise on a team for effort (e.g. the 2010-11 team) he has to be equally honest about its apparent lack. Two different takes from two different purposed organizations.

BraveWolverine730

March 25th, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

Please don't compare the two groups. COY chose not to be a student group because they didn't want to deal with the oversight from the University that comes with that.  I was hanging out with the people with the Maize Rage twitter password when I saw this and the immediate reaction was "getting into a fight with the largest Michigan sports blog is really stupd." I guarantee that if the equivalent happened to basketball, the current leadership of the Maize Rage would have handled it differently.

LongLiveBo

March 25th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

"Going through what we did for five years … it's hard to put into words truly what it means and truly what we've been through," Molk said Monday night at the Laurel Manor. "Because frankly, I don't think there's many people in this room or in this country that understand. Unless you've been a fifth-year senior here, you don't know. You didn't live it you didn't feel it, you didn't see the pain, you didn't hear the anguish, you didn't hear the hate."

Take that, guy I threw an empty water bottle at after the Toledo game. You probably think Demanding Excellence is what got Michigan back on track. I hate you so much.  

 

http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-clarifies-lemon-bet 

 

Looks like it was a jackass Michigan fan after the Toledo loss.

Wolverine Devotee

March 25th, 2013 at 6:30 PM ^

 

 “I’m really proud of the way they picked themselves up. … I never brought up the streak. I never brought it up once. Did we deserve to get there? No, we didn’t do enough. But this team came pretty close. I told them they don’t have anything to hang their heads about.

“Let’s face it; sooner or later, that streak is going to get broken. You just can’t keep going to the tournament every year. They don’t give that thing away.”

 

M Fanfare

March 25th, 2013 at 6:43 PM ^

The opening volleys of the Great Michigan Hockey Civil War of 2013 will go down in history, to be analyzed by generations of students, psychologists, and historians alike. My hope is that both sides will now strive to re-create the aesthetic wonder of Civil War-era facial hair as they sally forth 'neath flags unfurled.

G0B1U3

March 25th, 2013 at 6:46 PM ^

Children of Yost are correct IMO. Seriously though what's the water bottle incident? Really sick of hearing the bitching about the hockey team. they gave us 22 straight years of magic, and nearly found enough magic to make it an UNREAL 23rd straight tourney trip, but couldn't quite win TEN IN A ROW to achieve it. The fact that they won 9 games in a row when they needed to tells me a lot more about this team than the fact that they mailed in games early in the year. It's all about how you finish, and their run was unbelievable and something to be very proud of. Those who support the team and the players, can't wait to see you back next year at yost to cheer the guys on. On the other hand, to those who gave up and whined about the performance of a bunch of teenagers and early 20's aged kids--to those who complain about narrowly missing the tournament after getting there for 22 years--and to those who talked shit about things they have no clue about, such as player's attitudes and coaching decisions, please stay home next year while the Team starts the new streak. Go Blue!

dmoo4u

March 25th, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^

site search is your friend: http://mgoblog.com/content/fort-sumter

 

"I stooped to pick up whatever flingable bit of detritus I could find, seized upon an empty water bottle, and chucked it at the booer. I missed,* lightly damaging an older man a row behind him. But I did get his attention. And the old guy looked like he was on The Other Side, so eff him."

Brodie

March 25th, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^

Brian's dropping of hockey coverage was lame as hell... to come back after months of silence, totally ignoring what was nearly a miracle run in the process, acting all petulant is kind of pathetic. And the bottle throwing thing... like, yes it's old news but still. It was a low point for him and he put it out there and should therefore suffer the consequences of publicizing such a moronic story.  

MGoBender

March 25th, 2013 at 8:55 PM ^

Meh. If tossing an empty water bottle at someone booing Michigan athletes is a low point, what do you call it when frat brahs demand you give them your football seats when they arrive in the third quarter, dump liquor on you, and start pushing and swinging?

Really, the water bottle thing was funny, real, and something 99% of us have experienced in some way if you've attended Michigan football games and especially if you've been in any B10 student section.

Blue Durham

March 25th, 2013 at 9:27 PM ^

I agree with your very first statement and I think that Brian gets a little too emotionally vested in the teams success.  Understood that this is fan as well as blog-success issue.

It must be tough to analyze/report on a team that is performing poorly, but he really has should do it and not come off so "fair-weathery."  I am sure having a 5-hour enema would be more fun, but he did choose to have a Michigan sports blog and sometimes needs to emotionally divest himself a little and try to analyze the things that are going wrong with various poor-preforming teams when they happen.

hockeyguy9125

March 25th, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^

one group of fans diasgreeing with another group and therefore saying they are not true fans...total garbage

Michigan Hockey has been a gold standard in the sport over the past 22 years, and with that standard comes expectations. This team failed at every single one of them.

- Did not win the GLI

- Did not win the CCHA regular season

- Did not win the CCHA Tournament

- Did not make the NCAA Tournament/Frozen Four

- Did not win a National Championship

Guys, come on...this season was a debacle that had a little sunshine at the end. Based on the standards that this program has set for itself by past success, this year was a total disaster. They hung up no banners, they accomplished nothing. Admitting this does not make you a bad fan, or a fair weather fan...it makes you a fan that actually pays attention to the program.

bacon1431

March 25th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

But being proud of the last month makes you uninformed?

Obviously, the season as a whole was not successful. But I think it's ok to be happy that they didn't lie down for an entire season. We had no goalie for 3/4 of the season. A lot of games, multiple soft goals were let in. I never played competitive hockey but I'm sure that its frustrating and discouraging. I came into this season thinking we'd have to fight til the end for an NCAA spot. Preseason ranking was crazy IMO because of our goalie issue.

I honestly think most fans are just happy they had something to cheer about for the hockey team the last month and were hoping a team that was dead in the water could somehow resurrect itself. Yes, they put themselves in that position but I think the play the last month should be praised. No reason to dwell on the past other than to remind yourself that you can't expect to win anything when you don't wake up til the last second. But I'd rather the team and fans focus on what we did right toward the end than what we did wrong earlier in the season

hockeyguy9125

March 25th, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

I am glad they didn't bend over and just mail it in. It was nice seeing them play with a little pride for a change. However, I think people are feeling too proud over a run that really didn't do anything other than give us watchable hockey for a month. Sure it was nice, but if you combine that with the entire season, it was not nearly enough (for me at least).

My comments are more towards people who are taking shots at guys like Brian and others who feel that this season was a failure and that we are not true fans, etc.

Also, sure the team should focus on all the good at the end, blah blah blah. We aren't the team, I was a paying customer for a few of the games this season...and that was the most of my involvement. I don't have to sit here and only think of the positive as some sort of silver lining because in the end, my view of this program is that they should be winning championships. They won't every year, I don't expect that...but those are the standards of this program established by those who have worn the jersey, and when they don't accomplish raisining banners, it is a failure. I think it is just as wrong to be blindly positive by the end streak and ignore the failures.

bacon1431

March 25th, 2013 at 7:31 PM ^

I don't think considering the season a failure makes one a bad fan. But you insinuated that those that were proud of how we finished were not following as closely. You were just doing what you were criticizing others of doing. I was born in 89 so all I can remember of UM Hockey is success. I expet us to win championships too because we have great talent and a great coaching staff. This season was a big disappointment. But I can still be proud of how the guys ended it by finally playing to their potential. And I think it's important that fans see at least a slight silver lining b/c if they don't, they have a poor outlook on next season which means less ticket sales, less of a home ice advantage and less money for the AD. JMO

hockeyguy9125

March 25th, 2013 at 7:55 PM ^

my bad lol. Alright let me rephrase it then (I am trying to not sound like an ass here): I don't think anyone in this is being a bad fan unless you are directly calling someone else a bad fan.

In terms of being proud of how the season ended, I think people are being too proud of it. Sure, be kind of glad they did not roll over and played with a pulse...but I think that says all that hs to be said about this season and why I think the good feelings should really be toned down. This team had the talent all year and drastically underacheived and decided to play how they were supposed too and able too at the end. Like I said before, I am fine with how they played and happy that they did not roll over and showed a pule, etc. But I also believe that this should seriously be tempored in the context of the entire season. I believe that you can't seperate the first 3/4ths or the last 1/4th like it seems people on both sides are doing right now. If I did not make that point clear originally, that is my mistake (because judging by your responses I didn't and that is my fault)

Also, people aren't going to abandon the hockey program because of one bad year. It happens, but nothing too crazy like a scandal or anything caused this. Calling this season what it was is not going to hurt us next year from a support perspective. If anything, Basketball's success is going to hurt fan support (in terms of the choice between the two) and attendence of hockey games more than anything else. Most people can't spend money on both and Basketball is the new hottness.

bacon1431

March 25th, 2013 at 8:05 PM ^

Ticket sales generally go down after a bad season. I never said people will abandon it, but for some this past season might be the tipping point for those on the fence for season tickets. The diehards will be there year in and year out. But not everyone is a diehard. It probably won't be significant drop, but I am hoping there is no drop at all.

kmd

March 25th, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^

Finishing the season 8-1-1 isn't that miraculous, it's just what good teams do. UMass Lowell finished their season 12-1. Notre Dame finished their season 9-1-3. Minnesota finished 6-2-1. Wisconsin finished their season 10-2-0. The fact that 3 of those teams got #1 seeds and we were barely even a TUC lets you know how awful the rest of season was.

Doc Brown

March 25th, 2013 at 7:22 PM ^

The team could have taken two very different paths at the end of the season. The team could have folded its tents and nobody would have been surprised. However, the team decided to take the season at heart and not go out like complete punks. We can find some positive in this season, especially with the end and the emergence of Racine as a decent goaltender. 

Michigan Arrogance

March 25th, 2013 at 8:02 PM ^

The team could have taken two very different paths at the beginning of the season too. Unfortunately, they shat the bed.

look, they started playing well toward the end, beat a bad NMU team, an above average WMU team, and jumped on the dynasty in one game at the Joe.

had they done anything at all from Oct-Feb, maybe they could have been on the bubble for an at large. Had that happened, and they came up short I don't think we'd see too much "failure" analysis.

they really weren't that close to making the tourney: in the end they were barely a TUC and never even contended for an at large.

Given the expectations and the talent and the way the season unfolded IDK why people would jump on Brian's opinion.

 

Mr. Robot

March 25th, 2013 at 7:49 PM ^

This season was definitely a failure for which the team deserves criticism for. True enough, the streak was never going to last forever, but we've had less talent than we did this year and won the conference; these guys just couldn't learn to play like a team until they dug themselves into a hole just a little too deep to get out of. Injuries didn't help, but they still should have been good enough to at least be more competitive than they were.

BUT, there is a difference between being critical of the team and being a fairweather whiner. Completely ceasing all hockey coverage falls into the latter. That isn't legitimate criticism, it's completely turning your back on the team because they aren't living up to their collective draft statuses, and I think it is unbecoming of the largest Michigan sports blog, and particularly one that regularly covers hockey. The fact Brian came out and said he wasn't covering hockey because he was mad at how they were doing is even sadder. I can understand being less motivated to keep up given the cisrumstances, but just admitting you're rage quitting and mad you bought season tickets is pathetic.

Michigan Arrogance

March 25th, 2013 at 8:18 PM ^

this is unfair- Brian hosted liveblogs for M basketball and infamously ended them when they got down 20+. He psoted about notable games and coaching searches and recruiting.

continuous hoops writing didn't generate clicks and was too painful to continue. interest will wax and wane for sports based on success. please tell me about your unwavering attention to Detroit baseball in the month of Sept from 1989-2005