August 24th, 2011 at 5:14 PM ^

The banner reads "GO BLUE."  There is no "Let's" on it.

(BTW, the expression "Begs the question" has nothing to do with raising a question.)


August 25th, 2011 at 1:16 AM ^

Exactly. Almost all changes in a language result from it being bastardized, and these changes occur all the time. Examples are endless. Just think of what people must have thought when some kids started using "cool" as it's most commonly used today. Stupid kids don't even know that "cool" is a statement about the temperature. Some change in spelling or pronunciation or grammar, like English dropping gender, are all wrong according to some already established language. We're just speaking middle English poorly, and they in turn spoke old English poorly, and so on and so on. The line where something is still wrong or has become established enough to be recognized is a matter of opinion. It's insane to say that EVERYONE (or anything close to everyone) misunderstands some phrase like "begging the question". I was a philosophy major and it doesn't bother me when people say "begging the question" as it's most often used nowadays. "Could care less" though is annoyingly ignorant, but, that's just opinion, man.


August 24th, 2011 at 7:00 PM ^

How are you defining "modern-day language?"  If your definition is "The way people communicate on the internet," then the floodgates are open for all kinds of craziness.

English professors, as a rule, hate this abuse of "begging the question."

panthera leo fututio

August 24th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^

The phrase "I could care less" is a perfect example of a phrase that has changed meaning because of its common usage.  Unless they're being intentionally obtuse, very few people would hear the phrase in context and take it to mean "there are different ways in which I could be more apathetic."  Rather, the vast majority of people will understand the intended message of "I really don't care at all." And this is just what meaning is -- the intended information is easily extracted from the utterance by the intended audience.

You can say that this particular construction lacks art and is contradictory in an unreflective way, and you can strenuously avoid using it (and I'll be with you).  But to say that the phrase lacks meaning because it doesn't adhere to proper English, as handed down from the mountain by Shakespeare at the beginning of time, is false.

/Stephen Fry still hates me for being a pedant


August 24th, 2011 at 5:32 PM ^

Perhaps they were editorializing regarding last year's defense, where instead of making a tackle the defender inexplicably lets go and watches the opponent waltz into the endzone.  Hopefully Mattison's crew will make sure that is a thing of the past.


August 24th, 2011 at 5:36 PM ^

Shouldn't they be selling "Go (Old) Navy, Beat Army".

Personally, I'm not too likely to buy a Michigan Shirt from Old Navy or Walmart. MGoshirts for me!

Waters Demos

August 24th, 2011 at 5:42 PM ^

I find this to be quite annoying.  Why can't people just say "this raises the question" or something like that? 

It's not as if the topic at issue is prostrating itself before a question. 

Do people think it sounds smarter to misuse a term for a type of fallacious logic?


August 24th, 2011 at 6:19 PM ^

While I'm careful not to say "begs the question" when I mean "raises the question," I can see why people do it.  The English language (as you're no doubt well aware) is full of sayings that don't make literal sense.  The other day I was surprised when someone didn't know what I meant when I said that I left one job to take another one.  She didn't know what it meant to "take" a job, which makes sense in a certain very rigid way...Where I'm going with this (if I'm going anywhere) is that I don't have a problem with the mis-use of phrases and terms as long as most people understand what the person meant. 

Waters Demos

August 24th, 2011 at 6:32 PM ^

I think part of it is coming from a field where certain terms are used in a very specific, strict sense.  If that's one's background, it can be irritating to hear such phrases thrown around haphazardly in common usage, knowing full well that the person speaking doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. 

If you don't have the particular background, then the people in paragraph 1 are likely to come off like self-important yet inconsequential snobs.  At the end of the day, I'll know what you mean when you say "begs the question," and for many people that's good enough. 


August 24th, 2011 at 5:39 PM ^

I'm concentrating on the countdown to kickoff...


August 24th, 2011 at 5:40 PM ^

Just adding to this topic of our clothing being used for the wrong reasons.  I work in a prison close to NYC.  I also worked for Michigan football in '03-'07, so i have a ton of nike/michigan football clothing.  I was made aware at one of our recent staff trainings that street Gangs (the Mexican mafia) has adopted our Block "M" clothing as a sort of uniform and that i will be unable to wear my michigan clothing to work.  


August 24th, 2011 at 7:18 PM ^

Does anyone else find it interesting that after revealing the not-so-accurate phrase on the shirt, they identified that the distribution included 70 "schools of higher learning" and placed MICHIGAN'S shirt in the article?  Could this be some attempt by the writer to make Michigan appear the less-scholarly of the bunch?

The apparent apostrophe “faux pas” may very well have been purposeful as it has the potential of receiving a lot of press.  I would imagine in the clothing world, even bad press is still press.  Situations like this may enable a piece to become a collector's item among those in the literary world.

A similar point, however, can be made for the photo placement in the article.  These kinds of photo-to-article attachments can become ways in which a writer can continue to speak beyond his written words (ala a picture is worth a thousand words) in an attempt to impress upon the writer's opinions to the reader’s subconscious without actually doing the more difficult task of writing the opinion-forming words.

At least it’s not a repeat of “Go Wolverines” as earlier depicted in the new scoreboard design.


August 24th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^

What a great marketing gimmick by Old Navy. Until today I had no idea they sold college t-shirts. There is no way they could have bought more effective advertising, and it cost them almost nothing.