Tyree Kinnel Burned Redshirt

Submitted by Nate the Newt on October 4th, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Per  Nick Baumgardner

"Tyree Kinnel played for Michigan yesterday on special teams. Third true freshman to play this season."

Trust the coaches and all that but seems weird given all the safety/corners we have and how well they're playing.



October 5th, 2015 at 8:27 AM ^

This is not a shot at Richardson, every indication is he's done nothing but work hard since being here, but how was he ranked so highly coming out of high school? Given his size, there was a no way he could have played competitively at a Power 5 school. He was our top recruit the year he commited, IIRC.


October 5th, 2015 at 12:33 AM ^

People in this board go way overboard with the redshirt thing. A redshirt is for players who are not ready to play. You don't sit a kid who can contribute in the hope you get a 5th year out of him. Kids lose a year due to injury, they go pro early and the transfer. You don't sacrifice what is best for the team this year to maybe make 2019 better.

Plus, it's entirely possible Kinnel starts next fall in Wilson's spot. I'd rather he get some time on the field, even if it's special teams so he's not seeing college players for the first time next fall as a starter.


October 5th, 2015 at 8:33 AM ^

I totally agee with the principal that you don't sit a kid that can contrubute now.  But, I think you have to balance that with how much you can potentially get out of him if he gets a 5th year.  Yes, injuries can happen, but I don't think you assume one will.  If a kid doesn't drastically improve your team this year, but has the potential down the road to as a starter, I think you try your best to RS him.  A year of starting as an upperclassman down the road is more impactful than a year of spot starting on special teams.

814 East U

October 4th, 2015 at 10:16 PM ^

I've noticed we play our best players on special teams and I like that. If the coaches think he adds enough value then so be it.

However, OTOH I understand the importance of redshirting guys. Maybe Harbaugh foresees this team not needed to redshirt non linemen in the coming years with the influx of talent?


October 4th, 2015 at 10:18 PM ^

I see this as Kinnel progressing in practice and passing up the likes of Lyons. If Stribling is hurt and might not come back for a week or two. Then we have an extra guy back there.

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October 5th, 2015 at 1:15 AM ^

Carr used to let some freshmen play a little at the beginning of the season, then they would get some minor injury that suddenly was season ending and they would medical.  Was thinking that might be the case here.  Obviously if he is back on the field later this season then we will know.

Haywood Jablomy

October 4th, 2015 at 10:19 PM ^

here a few weeks ago. Gone are the days where you redshirt as a freshmen, play as a senior and automatically make the team as a 5th year.  Here are the days where you compete for a spot on the field every single day. Win the day!


October 4th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^

Under every coach ever including the really terrible ones like Hoke. Of course some coaches have earned that sort of deference but even the best ones make mistakes, let alone the Hokes of the world.


October 4th, 2015 at 11:08 PM ^

I think some of the criticism of Hoke's lack of redshirts is unfair. In retrospect a few of them seem terrible, but at the time, Hoke was facing the a dearth of upperclassman in general and had to have underclass at least somewhat prepared to play (and just saw his predecessor only get 3 years...leaving less incentive for "if I redshirt these guys now we could be really good in my 6th year")--not just in the two deep but also in special teams (which people complained when starters like Countess were hurt on ST). 

Hoke was a mediocre coach in general and in retrospect we all wish he preserved a few more redshirts, but I think burning them was probably the a 50/50 call at the time. 

Moonlight Graham

October 4th, 2015 at 10:25 PM ^

He;s going to be counted on soon, with Jarrod Wilson graduating and the defensive backfield being extremely young in '17 ... probably just wants to get him on the field and getting game experience while also playing a key role on ST.

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October 4th, 2015 at 10:26 PM ^

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of Harbaugh players get the opportunity to redshirt later in their careers for various reasons. There really isn't any reason to get pissy over a freshman who can help us playing.


October 4th, 2015 at 10:48 PM ^

I don't think he is a good enough power/collison type blocker to play FB. To use a Harbaugh-term, he doesn't seem to have a lot of "contact courage". I think we could find some type of TE/H-back type role for him that could utilize his pass catching ability and hopefully give him less "move this large man out of the way" type blocking and more "just annoy this guys/get in his way/chip him" type blocking.