Two Michigan players have Heisman odds listed @ VegasInsider: Peppers and.....
As of yesterday, Peppers is listed at 12/1 odds. He has the fifth best odds right now, however, I personally don't think he will win for a few reasons.
I was surprised to see only one other Michigan player high enough to have his own odds listed for bettors:
Wilton Speight !!!
www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/1797777
Of course, Wilton's odds are not good. They sit at 1000/1. But, the MERE FACT he is specifically listed on any Heisman odds list is just.... maybe the most surprising thing all year to me. Just a great job by the staff on a kid who had a much different future not too long ago....
It is likely that it is purely based on his position as QB for an unbeaten team, but I would have thought maybe Chris Evans, Khalid Hill (TD machine), Jourdan Lewis, etc. would be up their with Wilt the Stilt.
Nope - just the big man and Mr. Peppers.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:54 PM ^
It means that Michigan has a lot of fans who will lay down $$$. And that's all it means.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:54 PM ^
Taco, Darboh, Butt would all seem to be higher to me.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:00 PM ^
Really?? Taco??
Of course none of the above (or Wilton) are actually going to win the Heisman, but saying that a defensive end who has missed a quarter of the season and has 4 sacks is more of a Heisman threat than the QB of an undefeated top 2 team is just a tad absurd.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:17 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 5:19 PM ^
but Speight is the one who is in position to put up huge numbers. Of course it's unlikely. But if Michigan is #1 and he's having monster games - well it's still unlikely. He would also have to outshine Peppers. But he would get into the conversation at least. The players you mentioned wouldn't.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:55 PM ^
I love the kid, but his 27 yards rushing is not going to get him to New York.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^
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October 26th, 2016 at 12:47 AM ^
He looks like a Heisman candidate when all you've got is a hammer.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
The Heisman generally is awarded to a good QB on the best team. Speight being on the list would make sense given the nature of this award.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^
This is dumb.
October 25th, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
My fiancee doesn't.
But she doesn't care about sports in general, so probably not what you are talking about.
October 25th, 2016 at 6:00 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 6:28 PM ^
1991, 1997.
October 25th, 2016 at 7:54 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^
Not sure if serious. Having Heisman odds is not the same as having Heisman hopes.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:09 PM ^
I don't think Peppers should have Heisman hopes either. Most of the guys on the list have no shot. The point is that people usually give the "field" the same long shot odds after the top group of players. The fact they broke out Wilt means he has better odds than all the other people who also won't win it....
October 25th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 5:05 PM ^
As I pointed out yesterday, Wilton Speight's numbers are very comparable to Drew Henson's 8 game run in 2000.
Brian disputed this saying that "offenses are better now". While I concede the point that Harbaugh/Drevno's O is much more diverse than Carr/Deboard... Wilton is NOT throwing to David Terrell with Anthony Thomas in the back field and a full line of Future NFL OL in front of him.
Henson had maybe a bit more to work with, vs. more unsophisticated Defenses.... and Wilton's numbers today are right there.
The kid is all right.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:39 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 6:38 PM ^
Probably true. Steve Hutchinson may be a HOFer though.
October 25th, 2016 at 6:48 PM ^
Speight has a lot more to work with across the board even before you get to the Harbaugh/Drevno advantage. At the skill positions, especially in terms of depth, the talent on this team blows anything Henson had out of the water. There is no David Terrell-level physical specimen, but Butt, Darboh, and Chesson are all getting drafted next year, with Butt and Chesson almost certainly going on the first two days. This team also features four really good running backs, even if none of them individually is as good as Anthony Thomas. This is before you get to other key young guys such as McDoom and Asiasi and versatile guys like Hill. On top of that, the line absolutely features guys with NFL futures.
October 26th, 2016 at 1:48 AM ^
It is easy to forget that from 98 to about 2003, Carr pulled in Top 10 classes every year. One of those classes, 98 I think was #1. That 2000 Michigan team was STACKED. It is often mentioned here as a team that should have won the NC.
Lets take a look a bit more closely, shall we?
QB Drew Henson, John Navarre - both NFL
RB Anthony Thomas, BJ Askew, Chris Perry, Justin Fargas - all NFL
WR David Terrell (1st round NFL) , Marquis Walker, Ronald Bellomy - NFL
TE Bennie Joppru - NFL and got injured
OL (where this team was incredible)
LT Jeff Backus - long time NFL starter
LG Steve Hutchinson - long time NFL starter & possible Hall of Famer
C David Brandt - Weakest OL man that year. Still played about 5 NFL seasons.
RG Jonathan Goodwin - long time NFL starter
RT Mo Williams - long time NFL starter
2000 may be the Most Talented Michigan Offensive Line in school history.
What Wilton has around him is very good, and his coaches are great... but he does not have the starting talent to work with that Drew Henson did.
Look, Im not saying that Speight > Henson. Its just that his stats are just about as good and he does not deserve to be classified as "scuffling through early season" by any stretch of the word.
October 26th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^
Yes, a ton of names, but how many actually had true impact on that team? Neither Fargus (who truly emerged at another school) nor Askew had 100 yards rushing for the season. Peppers (who I didn't mention previously) hasn't really been unleashed yet, and he's already topped that. Bellomy had 7 catches. Joppru didn't emerge as a receiving threat for another two seasons. For all the talent on paper, 2000 was by in large a four-player offense in terms of the skill positions. I will spot you the 2000 line being better, even though this one is solid in its own right. The NFL comparisons can't really be made yet, since none of these guys have entered the draft yet, but every indication is that this offense is littered with future pros. You can't discount the coaching difference (and general differences in current offenses), but it's hard to argue this current team doesn't have much greater versatility and depth in terms of the offensive weapons it can deploy.
October 26th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^
Talent was greater in 2000. However the results were not indicative of the talent level.
That is really on the coaching staff and shows the difference between Carr's staff and approach vs. the much more effective Harbaugh.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:08 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^
Lot of recent Heisman winners are coming off undefeated or 1 loss seasons. Manziel had 2 losses, RG3 had 3 losses, Palmer had 4 losses, but the last 3 were undefeated at the time of the award.
October 25th, 2016 at 7:04 PM ^
That's almost certainly why Jackson is most likely to win it. He's going to put up massive numbers, and it's pretty hard to see another loss on Louisville's schedule.
October 26th, 2016 at 2:32 AM ^
I haven't seen anyone throw that kind of spiral and run an offense so well...maybe Vince Young (but he had an odd less than pretty motion.) Vince however played on the biggest stage. Lamar doesn't have that going for him.
I think Louisville will lose as some point - to BC, Houston (they need redemption to give Herman his payday.
Harbaugh had better up Peppers' touches if he wants to give him a chance. Peppers needs to make good on it as well. Jabrill did not make the TD happen against Illinois...what the hell... (Illinois was all over that.) The problem with giving Peppers more looks is that he draws more attention and snooping. I can't wait for him to wing it to Chesson...it's coming.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
I won't care about the heisman until we beat OSU and MSU
I warned you... sorta
October 25th, 2016 at 6:15 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 6:38 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 5:17 PM ^
Vegas has odds on the color of my dump tomorrow morning, so I'm not sure I'd make much of this...
October 25th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^
Are we talking Courics here? I set it at 30 Courics.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^
1000:1 odds. And because a 5000:1 longshot won the Premier League last year, and the Cubs are now in the World Series -- against Cleveland -- that means you're saying Speight is a lock to win. I'm puttin' my hard-earned cash down, all of it. 'Bout 50 pesos.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:25 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 5:26 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 5:50 PM ^
Also you should always put $10 on 1000/1 odds. I won't, but you definitely should.
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October 25th, 2016 at 6:14 PM ^
He would certainly get an invite. Right now the top 5 consists of Lamar Jackson and a group of players that rotate by the week. I mean, Stewart Mandel has Joe Mixon and Baker Mayfield in his top 5 right now. If Speight puts up those numbers, including a big time performance on the road against OSU, and Michigan goes on to win the B1G title game with a 13-0 record, he would easily be in the top 5 and he would get an invite to NYC as the face of Michigan's team.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:53 PM ^
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October 25th, 2016 at 5:54 PM ^
Deshone Kizer (Notre Dame) 200/1
Sorry, I chuckled. That was wrong of me, I know. A lot hinges on whether or not he can lead Notre Dame to a 7-5 finish, right?
October 26th, 2016 at 12:51 AM ^
that is why Michigan consistently get above average respect from Vegas. There's money in it.
I don't think there's any ND money on football at this point though. They need to widen the odds.
October 26th, 2016 at 12:52 AM ^
that is why Michigan consistently gets above average respect from Vegas. There's money in it.
I don't think there's any ND money on football at this point though. They need to widen the odds.
October 25th, 2016 at 5:57 PM ^
Nobody thought Buster Douglas would KO Tyson...$1 on Wilton !!
October 25th, 2016 at 6:09 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 6:05 PM ^
October 25th, 2016 at 6:10 PM ^
five times better than the 5000-1 odds of the Leicester City team winning the Premier League last Spring, and we know what happened there.
In reality. Wilton would need a completion rate of 90%, 400 yards passing yards and 5 touchdowns miimum every game, while at the same time, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson and Jake Browning would have to leave the country and join ISIS.
Then there might be a chance - though Lamar Jackson still would get a couple first place votes...