Turner's Future and how that relates to RR/Staff

Submitted by UNCWolverine on

I think of all of those that left our program for whatever reason (NFL, attitude, playing time, academic, team rules, etc.) Turner's departure should be the most telling.

If he transfers to another D1 and has a very successful career that is very telling.

If he transfers to another D1 and is mediocre-to-does nothing that would be very telling.

If he transfers to a non-D1 for football that is very telling.

If he never plays football again that also would be very telling.

I'm not sure how much affect this will have on RR's tenure at UM, his success in continuing to recruit Ohio, etc., as this fall's W/L record will decide most of that. However I think Turner's future will be very interesting with regard to RR and his staff and how they manage a program.

Geaux_Blue

August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

i'm waiting for someone to give their opinion on what UM's record would have been if they had not lost Dorsey, Cissoko and JT panned out and Warren didn't go to the NFL, compounded only by if MSU DID play OSU this year and if Nebraska was included

and then argue about it for an hour when someone disagrees with the 9-4 prediction

UNCWolverine

August 11th, 2010 at 3:10 PM ^

I always seem to make the mistake of confusing MGoBlog's forums with a spot where Michigan football fans can have actual intellectual discussions on relevant topics. I forgot that there are "posters" like you on here that don't have the intellectual fortitude to actually add anything to these discussions. From now on I'll just lurk and read Brian's posts while you keep racking up those valuable MGoBlog points.

 

UNCWolverine

August 11th, 2010 at 2:41 PM ^

Certainly. The following is my opinion of what his future would mean to RR and his staff.

If he transfers to another D1 and succeeds then there is something wrong with the way RR and his stafff manage the players and the program.

If he transfers to another D1 and basically does jack-shit then RR and his staff are doing something right.

If he transfers to a non-D1 it shows that he can't compete or doesn't have the desire to compete at the highest level of college football, and RR and his staff are doing something right.

If he never plays football again then he doens't love football enough to play at the highest level of college football, and RR and his staff couldn't do anything to change it.

Everyone has their opinion, but this would be mine.

dharmabum

August 11th, 2010 at 2:52 PM ^

I think you are painting with too broad of a bush here.  Trying to read anything into how RR and his staff handle players based on one or two situations is probably not going to be useful or lead to any sort of meaningful conclusions.  I think we should leave that to the mainstream sports media, who are happy to sensationalize every tiny occurence.  In my mind, there are 80 or so counter examples to anything you would try to make of JTs success or failure where ever he lands.  Every program loses folks for various reasons, and that may or may not be a reflection on the coach and his unique relationship with that player.

I tend to believe that it is more interesting to talk about how his departure impacts the teams on-field performance than what it might mean about how Rich Rod handles his players. 

(edited slightly for clarity)

leftrare

August 11th, 2010 at 3:01 PM ^

I think there's about a 90% chance the reason JT is leaving is because he doesn't like playing football very much.  At this point in his career, the coaches couldn't have had much to do with it.

He could also be homesick or not cut out for,  or doesn't have the heart for, being a student-athlete, with all of the demands involved.

Jesus! there's nothing to see here.

uniqenam

August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

If we win lots next year, it's telling.  If we lose lots next year, that's also telling.   However, I predict that any win/loss combination can be telling, in and of itself!

KBLOW

August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

If we do well this year Turner will just be a random footnote in the history of UM football... regardless of what he does or does not accomplish on another team.

West Texas Blue

August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM ^

Hmph.  I guess we're going to be relegated to play underclassmen in the secondary for the rest of eternity with the secondary attrition that we're undergoing every year.

evenyoubrutus

August 11th, 2010 at 2:34 PM ^

You know what else is very telling? However Michigan plays this year (wins a lot or doesn't win a lot) which will happen long before any of the things you listed for Turner, so I don't really care.

uvadula

August 11th, 2010 at 2:34 PM ^

I disagree, I  think that's too much referendum on the staff by a couple of players. Everyone responds to coaching differently and maybe these kids didn't like the approach. I'm only judging Rich by his wins and losses

BlockM

August 11th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^

"This sucks! We're done! No chance we can win now!"

"This is the best thing that could happen for the program! Now we can win championships!"

"This is the best way for us to tell if the coaches are doing a good job!"

If I had any self control I'd just work for the rest of the afternoon instead of reading this shit.

octal9

August 11th, 2010 at 2:53 PM ^

Time to lock down the board?

Wait until the first "lose to a team we shouldn't have" game (there's almost always at least one a season). The board will be utter chaos.

If I had any self control I'd just work for the rest of the afternoon instead of reading this shit.

Cosine'd.

ironman4579

August 11th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^

So basically, regardless of what happens with Turner, it's very telling.  And possibly interesting.  Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

Seriously, this season is going to decide (fuck I wanted to use "telling" there so bad) alot with regards to RR's future.  What Justin Turner does next year or the year after is meaningless. 

ijohnb

August 11th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^

and I agree, this is very perplexing, and possibly very alarming news.  "Safety and Corner Hating Gods" was a clever but dismissive routine for a while, but seriously, what is going on here.  Starting with Morgan Trent's dismal 2008, Donovan Warren's disappointing 2009, the Cissoko debacle, Brandon Smith, JT Turner.  The bleeding has to stop at some point.  Why is this happening to Michigan's secondary?

Polisci

August 11th, 2010 at 2:45 PM ^

Well in general, when one is conducting research that attempts to explain why something happened one should not fall into the trap of assuming that the result of some process tells us why it happened.  In other words, the result does not tell us why the result happened.  Assuming it does is a tautology.