Trey Burke Update

Submitted by AHM16 on April 5th, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Well, a few hours ago Brian posted on Twitter according to a source that Trey was having a change of heart and also the Free Press shared the same story. Apparently in the last hour or so on twitter, pictures of Trey Burke's dorm room have been posted and unfortunately all his bags have been packed. I think it is safe to say he is gone.

Link to the picture: https://twitter.com/#!/nrothschild3/status/187762662606782465/photo/1

Comments

will

April 5th, 2012 at 9:07 AM ^

But I can't say I think its a mistake.

I've been out of college for 10 years, and had (what I consider to be) a reasonably succesful career. During that 10 years I have made less than $850,000.

That is what the 30th pick (Ive seen Trey's evlaluations as high as 24, as low as undrafted). made in the draft last year, in 1 year. Supposing he sat on the bench for another year, he'd surprass $1.5M. I certainly won't hit that anytime in the forseeable future.

The rookie wage scale for 2011:

30th
$850,800
$889,100
$924,400

I went to the same high school as Trey, and I can say that if he made even a portion of that amount, he would far exceed what anyone else is earning. With the probably exception of Jared Sullinger, he will immediately be the highest earning graduate from Northland since Dwight Yoakam.

Knowing a knee injury, a bad year, or a myriad of other scenarios could put this in jeopardy, I can't fault him. And while no one is mentioning it, I'm sure the possibility of being drafted to play with his lifelong best friend is a factoring into his decision. Jared will probably be a top 10 pick, and Trey could easily go in the beginning of the second round..

Go Vikings, Go Blue, and best of luck Trey.

COB

April 5th, 2012 at 9:24 AM ^

Anyone who says he's an idiot or that "any rational human being knows this is a stupid decision" clearly isn't thinking about the possibility that he is drafted at all, assuming he is just flushed through the D league straight to Euro ball.  So...what if he gets picked up at 30ish...plays a year of D league and boom...makes a NBA team. 

I thought Daequan Cook was stupid for leaving early (also after his frosh year), the guy didn't even start his freshman year (though was 6th man of the year in the B1G I believe).  Now he is a solid role player on the best team in the western conference, banking 3.3 mil a year.  Is anyone (other than the above poster) going to acknowledge that the kid could make it? 

 

Good luck to the kid, hope he does make it. 

 

umchicago

April 5th, 2012 at 10:36 AM ^

why don't you post the avg salary of all the 2nd round draft choices from last year, plus the other guys who left early and didn't get drafted.  i bet half of those guys didn't even make the nba; the other half makes the league minimum of approx $400k.  so now you're looking at an avg between $200-300k for year 1.  then, many of those guys will fall of the roster in year 2.

if trey stays, he's more likely to be drafted in round 1 and be guaranteed the money you note but with the potential to be higher.

will

April 5th, 2012 at 8:27 PM ^

I only had average salaries for the first round. I did a quick look and couldnt find the second. I'm curious as well if you want to dig those up and share.

JamieH

April 5th, 2012 at 9:20 AM ^

Anyone who pretty much knows they are going in the first round would be dumb not to go.  It is huge money, and it's guaranteed.

 

Getting drafted in the 2nd round is a crapshoot.  Yeah, You can still make good money compared to the rest of the population.  But your contract is not guaranteed and the team can just dump you on a whim. 

 

The question really is, if he came back and improved, would he be able to get his draft stock up enough to go in the 1st round for sure? 

neoavatara

April 5th, 2012 at 9:19 AM ^

If he is gone, I wish him the best.

But the same why I 'wished' Morris good luck, I don't think Trey goes before the 40th pick or so. He is hurting himself longterm.  Hope I am wrong...but when is the last time we were wrong?

Wolvie3758

April 5th, 2012 at 9:33 AM ^

I Care about the "TEAM"   all Michigan TEAMS....anything that Hurts the Team Im against. Ive followed Michigan Teams for decades..Those players that leave early I tend to forget and they fade away. I dont even really consider them Michigan Men...They are "ME" people not TEAM people...Is that right?  I have no clue but if they do something that hurts the Team I dont like it..Trey Burke leaving hurts The TEAM...period...

 

chitownblue2

April 5th, 2012 at 9:35 AM ^

Cross-posted from the other thread:

 

I'm not saying "he should have gone" because the only thing that will determine that is how he fares.

But the idea that he's underdeveloped is a bit much, in my opinion. He was, arguably, the most productive PG in the nation from a statistical standpoint, and was definitely the most productive of guys that might be in this draft. This draft is EXTREMELY thin in Point Guards. I realize Austin Rivers is a pro SG, but he played point at Duke, so here is Burke compared to his cohort in this class, using tempo-free stats to even out playing time:

Trey Burke: 105.3 ORtg, 53.8% TS%, 28.7 Arate, 18.6 TOrate, 30.6 FTrate

Austin Rivers: 104.7 ORtg, 53.8% TS%, 13.0 Arate, 17 TOrate, 45.8 FTrate (Burke was as good a shooter, a much better facilitator, equivalent risky with the ball, not as good at getting to the line)

Tony Wroten: 95.5 ORtg, 48.8% TS%, 24.5 Arate, 21.7 TOrate, 59.1% FTrate (Burke is superior at everything other than getting to the line)

Marquis Teague: 99.4 ORtg. 49.1% TS%, 25.5 Arate, 23.7 TOrate, 33.8 FT rate (Burke is superior in everything other that getting to the line, where he is nearly equal)

Tyshawn Taylor: 104.2 ORtg, 56.9% TS%, 29.7 Arate, 22.6 TOrate, 42 FTrate (Taylor grades out as slightly better in everything other than turnovers, but his usage was sufficiently smaller for Burke to provide more value - hence the higher ORtg)

From a standpoint of PRODUCTION, Burke is arguably the best PG in the draft.

The knock is that Trey is a minimum of 4 inches shorter than all these players. But staying in college won't make him grow.

umchicago

April 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

this is flawed logic.  right now burke is 5'10" - strike one.  i think almost everyone on this board thinks his game needs improvement (ie. shot, court vision, etc).  Yet, you seem to think he wouldn't get drafted higher if those things do improve.  i don't get it.

if i'm a GM why would i take a chance on a 5'10" guard who has to improve in a lot of areas?  i would be more likely to take a more polished "short" PG like jordan taylor.  imo, taylor improved his draft stock a lot by staying the past two years.  is it definitive?  No.  but likely, yes.

chitownblue2

April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 AM ^

Your logic is flawed because Jordan Taylor doesn't make a single mock draft that exists. If Burke is getting a draft grade, he's regarded as a better prospect.

The Point Guards in this draft are Austin Rivers, Marquis Teague, Tony Wroten, Tyshawn Taylor, and Trey Burke. 4 of them are freshman. All of them have weaknesses. Yet Rivers is getting a lottery grade, and Wroten and Teague are getting 1st round grades DESPITE being measurably worse at basketball.

Why?

BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL AT LEAST 6'3".

WestMichiganWo…

April 5th, 2012 at 12:12 PM ^

Agreed that these statistics show that Burke should be considered the top PG in the draft, but the truth is that the statistics do not matter. Right now Trey is anywhere from the 5th-7th point guard in the draft, and the issue is, the league is already pretty stacked with young point guard talent, there are very few teams who do not already have two established point guards on their team, and this years free agency really plays a part in the draft process. There are 4 very good guards entering free agency this year with, Deron Williams, Nash, Eric Gordon, and Jameer Nelson. If teams who have lottery picks need a point guard and think they have a pretty good shot at one of these established players, they will address a different need in the draft, and that would mean the guys like Kendall Marshall and Austin Rivers will drop in the draft, which unfortunetely for Trey, would mean that all the other point guards in the draft would also be negatively affected by it.

Feat of Clay

April 5th, 2012 at 9:36 AM ^

Who knows how his experience has been outside of the team?  Sure, his Michigan education might be free, a perk which most of us can't imagine giving up, but I'm sure it is no picnic.  That could also influence his decision.  Stay, and you're not just playing basketball for another year, you're also signing up for another year of classes and all that it entails.

Getting through Michigan as a student-athlete is probably pretty brutal at times.  Even with the academic assistance they get.

Do I think it's short-sighted to leave?  Sure.  But let's recall that there may be more to it than the siren call of pro money and fame.  Maybe he wants to get out from under the soul-crushing GRIND that college is at times, particularly if school hasn't been your focus in the preceding 5 or more years.

 

Feat of Clay

April 5th, 2012 at 2:10 PM ^

Dude.

I'm saying his decision could feel like this:

Stay at Michigan: play the game I love, learn plays, get coached, train hard, BUT ALSO have to take classes, show up for lectures, attend study table, write papers, read books, work on projects, meet with tutors, etc.

Leave Michigan to play pro at some level: play the game I love, learn plays, get coached, train hard.  Full stop.  WITHOUT the full-time job of being a student on top of it.

If you're not into school, and maybe you haven't been into school for a long time now because your athletic talents have directed your focus elsewhere.... the 'get an education' piece of staying might feel like more of a millstone than a fantastic benefit.  yeah yeah yeah, I know playing in the NBA or the D League isn't all sunshine and roses and its hard work and there's lots of uncertainly.  But he's got a lot of that here, too.  Plus school on top.  Maybe he doesn't like that mix.

BlueInClearwater

April 5th, 2012 at 6:04 PM ^

I'm not trying to argue any of your points, because they are all valid. College is what most everyone that wants to be a professional and achieve what they want to achieve in life has to put up with. The lectures, study halls, papers, exams, ect., is just what we have to deal with to get where we want to go. If for any reason he doesn't get guaranteed money or something happens where he doesn't have basketball money coming in, he will wish he put up with the annoyances of going to a place like UM (with great academic resources and tutoring available as a student athlete) to get his degree, IMO. Or stayed long enough so all he had to do is cap it off, not take 100+ credits worth of classes.

Arizona Blue

April 5th, 2012 at 9:41 AM ^

I still am having a hard time comprehending Trey Burke in the NBA. Seriously, he's still looks like a baby. He'll be swimming in a league of genetically mutated man children. I cant think of one NBA roster where he is better than the point guards they currently have. Hopefully he likes Turkey. 

On a positive note, hopefully this helps with recruiting and we see some positive blowback from putting a couple PG's in the league. 

He's a great athlete and was awesome for the school. Go Blue, God Bless. God Speed Trey, may you never find yourself driving the lane against Kendrick Perkins.

 

Erik_in_Dayton

April 5th, 2012 at 9:50 AM ^

I mean, it's not like the Michigan "family" would turn on him the second he's no longer useful to the basketball team.  I can't even imagine seeing something like that.  Where on earth would Burke get the idea that college basketball is a business of sorts in which everyone uses everyone?  That would be a crazy idea.  Michigan fans have his back through thick and through thin, right?  And they certainly wouldn't attack him in a public forum - that's for sure. 

Reading through this thread, I'd be in the proverbial foxhole with some of you guys any day of the week.  You're true blue. 

UMGooch

April 5th, 2012 at 9:54 AM ^

Eh. Brian had it right with posting Henri. All the arguing, prospecting, and speculation is silly until we see what happens. I suppose there is a chance that players, coaches, or even the AD may check this blog, but my guess is no. Oh well, such are sporting blogs.

Whatever happens, thanks for the Big Ten (co)Championship and wins over MSU and OSU. Wish we went further in the tournament this year.

jippolito

April 5th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^

Does that mean he'd go 20-35 in any given year? Is it taking stock of teams' projected needs? Is it his ranking among people expected to enter the draft? I'm willing to bet there's way more than 15 people who've been evaluated "20-35."

AA2Denver

April 5th, 2012 at 9:56 AM ^

I'm all for kids bolting for $$, but this is a mistake. Another year of pretty much the same or slightly better play and he's in the lottery.  AND, earns enough credits for an associates if he were to transfer later on.  

chitownblue2

April 5th, 2012 at 10:13 AM ^

I think Lawson is on a completely different level of athleticism.

One thing I have been pounding my head into the wall about in these threads is that the NBA largely cares about your physical package than your college numbers - if it didn't, Draymond Green would be a lottery pick.

Burke is probably 2 inches shorter than Ty, and significantly less explosive.

I see, honestly, Mario Chalmers as a closer comparison. Chalmers shooting, as a freshman, was roughly equivalent to Burke's, he's approximately the same size, and is, to my eye, roughly equivalent an athlete.

If, like Chalmers, Burke can become a reliable three-point shooter, he'll stick in the NBA. Guys have 15 year careers based on nothing other than the ability to shoot.

bouje13

April 5th, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^

Especially to his "face" via social media. If you're out with your friends having some beers and you want to vent and say its a poor decision that's fine but you make the Michigan fan base look stupid for saying that kind of shit to him.

Grow up its yet to be seen if its a stupid decision or not.

AmaizeingBlue

April 5th, 2012 at 10:03 AM ^

Guys, help me out here. Didn't Brian's source say that Trey was 100% gone, but later Trey had a CHANGE of heart. Wouldn't that mean that he got second thoughts about leaving. Maybe he packed his bags, then had a change of heart...

*insert dumb and dumber clip*

htownwolverine

April 5th, 2012 at 10:21 AM ^

10 stages of grief. I waited until I reached acceptance before posting. While I think this is terrible decision by Trey and his family it is their decision not mine or anyone else.

Good luck Trey. I hope it works out in the future. If only one of your final shot attempts had gone down against Ohio...

bluesalt

April 5th, 2012 at 10:33 AM ^

The kid played great for a year. He played so well, that he as an opportunity to make his dream come true and go to the NBA. Presumably he's talked to people who are smart enough to give him good advice. That advice might even say that he's likely a second-rounder, and that's good enough for him. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I get the disappointment at him leaving, but not the holier-than-thou attitude. He's worked hard and earned the opportunity. Good luck to him.

Also, I think some posters on this board need to figure out what they want. Do you want a team where all the best players stay three or four years? Or do you want a team that contends for and wins championships? They are mutually exclusive, even if you're Butler.

the Glove

April 5th, 2012 at 11:57 AM ^

So with the subject of injury, have players become too sensitive and afraid of being injured? I personally think so. The same thing can be said about driving home. You could get in a car accident and your career could be over. BJ Askew. My real concern for Trey is that he is still developing and seemingly you only have 2 years to prove yourself in the nba. So, wouldn't you want yourself to be at your peek?
I think the real reason for the backsplash from fans is feeling like we're almost there, but then our best player leaves early for the nba each year. I believe everyone wouldn't be so hard on Trey if it wasn't for Morris and Harris leaving before him. It just seems as if the frustration has grown over the years.

panthera leo fututio

April 5th, 2012 at 12:00 PM ^

Can you name any championship teams over the last 15 years that didn't receive prominent contributions from players who entered the draft before their junior year? I guess there's Florida in 2007, but that seems like an outlying case of a team that featured several players that could have gone pro as sophomores but who basically decided that they wanted another championship (plus Speights contributed a bit, and he went pro after his sophomore year).