EZrider

May 30th, 2011 at 10:49 AM ^

We'll never get to see Brady Hoke and his Wolverines beat Tressell straight up as TSIO coach. 

Now, sorry to say, a Michigan win this year would not bring me any true satisfaction.

The Denarding

May 30th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^

I don't post often (as is evidenced by my point total) but in one of my few posts I had stated almost five months ago that the only way Michigan was going to gain balance again in the rivalry with OSU was if the tattoo parlor scandal went far deeper than just the players.  Tressel had to be materially affected and doubt in their program had to exist.  Now that this has come to pass I can't say I'm happy.

I think Tressel was and is a good coach.  He beat us that first year with inferior talent.  That doesn't just happen.  I don't want OSU to be crushed or come close to the death penalty or etc.  I want OSU to be competitive, I want this to be a rivalry again and we need to field a great team and keep up our end of the bargain.  But if he even did part of what he did at YSU at OSU, then the entire Big Ten was at a large disadvantage.  

I suspect this tale will be sordid and sad.  I feel for Maurice Clarrett and Ray Issacs, who despite their issues, did not deserve to be sent out into the cold on their own.  I feel bad for the players at OSU who bled, tried and loved their university and are going to see that sullied by a few bad seeds.  I feel for Tressel's family as a scandal like this reflects poorly on all of them.  This is not to be celebrated honestly - this is a sad day.  I hope OSU survives and revives - if for nothing else than us.  

But fair is fair and just is just.  Jim Tressel deserves to be fired and OSU deserves to be purged.  This has to end for that school down South to begin...again....

BlueSwave34

May 30th, 2011 at 11:07 AM ^

Let me get this straight .u feel sorry for OHIO STATE?? Wow I sure dont. Tressel didnt feel sorry for the whole Big Ten when he was cheating for the past 10 years. Tressel is a slim bag cheater and today is a great day for the whole conference. The shady bastard is gone. He is not bigger than Ohio an he sure as hell is Not bigger than this proud conference. Good ridance vest and dont let the door hit u in the ass!!

BlueHills

May 30th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^

I hate OSU, most of the time. But I still feel it's a sad day for both schools.

We're joined at the hip with OSU in several ways; conference, tradition, rivalry. When something crappy happens to them, it's not great for us.

And most of all, I wanted to beat OSU regularly with Tressel at the helm. I think Hoke could have done it within a couple of years. I'm kind of sad he won't have the chance.

SC Wolverine

May 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM ^

Yes, Tressel is a good (even great) coach who legitimately accomplished things.  But many if not most of his achievements are now seen as resulting from his cheating.  Sorry, but that's just the bottom line.  I don't like it either, but he and many of his players knowingly cheated. I don't feel sorry for them.  I feel sorry for the Michigan men who were defrauded by a cheating rival.  Tressel should now become an object lesson for the importance of integrity, and the disgrace of hypocrisy.  Even now, he is not really repentant.

angry byrne

May 30th, 2011 at 11:11 AM ^

Some quotes from former players about tressel.  This one's fantastic:

"I don't know if he knew or not (that players were receiving special benefits). Maybe he didn't want to hurt his players and made the rational decision to look the other way. Maybe he figured he wouldn't win the Big Ten championship if he turned them in." -- Jermil Martin, former Buckeyes running back

[emphasis added]

Pretending that you don't know that your kids are breaking rules is a very rational decision, indeed.  It definitely helps young people learn right from wrong.  I'm not even sure who this Martin guy is, actually.

wolverine1987

May 30th, 2011 at 11:13 AM ^

From Eleven Warriors today:

 

"What infractions? Forgetting to report that some kids sold their own shit to keep them safe? Unless there is more that we have yet to hear about I call bullshit! It's hard for me to believe that this is what's best. I can see why, I guess, but it still pisses me off.

I think the biased reporting that made this seem so much worse than what it really was influenced decisions. OSU football is easy for others to hate and they latched on to this and blew it out of proportions.

It's probably more difficult to have a positive perception of Tress living outside of Columbus being surrounded by people who are dying to talk shit about the program unless you are still seriously attached to the school somehow...

I know that traveling the entire Northeastern US I ran into haters everywhere."

UNBELIEVABLE

 

Bernard Ducamp

May 30th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^

I wonder if OSU traded Tressel's head for the SI article, and the article wil be withheld/not printed???  It may have had so many ugly facts that OSU wanted the NCAA to do their own digging.

Brightside

May 30th, 2011 at 11:21 AM ^

If you follow the link then look at the "Hot Topic" comments...  some are really funny/sad.  Here is my favorite...

"Mistakes are made and he was being held accountable and given suspensions. Any other coaches have done much worse and gotten away with a slap on the wrist. But because Tressel is such a good coach the media wanted to make an example out of him. This is NOT fair!"

Of course none of this matters if we don't go out and win the next 5 games against them...

wolverine66fan

May 30th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^

What a great day to be a member of the Wolverine nation! This is karma to all OSU fans that ridiculed us when we changed coaches. I guess Tressel wasn't so great after all!

Don

May 30th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^

I know Fickell is going to coach out the season, but looking beyond 2011, the obvious replacement for Jim Tressel is Mark Dantonio. MD is from the state of Ohio, he's coached at OSU, and most importantly, his record at MSU shows that he'd maintain the high ethical standards of OSU players that was established under his former boss Tressel.

michelin

May 30th, 2011 at 12:20 PM ^

I just read an interesting suggestion, which may or may not be true:

ie---that Tressel’s getting axed was partly related to

1.       The unwillingness to release Tressel-Sarniak emails---soon to be referred to as "The Scarlet Letters."  The refusal suggests that there was much, much more to find,

2.       The wealthy OSU alums—the Wolf family-- who run a local TV network and the Columbus Dispatch were induced by OSU to try to do a “hatchet job” on the student newspaper that broke the Small story (the Lantern).  Then, when The Lantern produced tapes of the Small interview, major media were embarrassed by a student newspaper, and the Wolf family was exposed.

 

The Moral: Don’t embarrass wealthy alums---or reveal that the “Wolfs” are wearing sheep’s clothing

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/29668531/0/0/29668908

jml969

May 30th, 2011 at 12:02 PM ^

Reading the article I was really impressed with his winning percentage. After the NCAA gets thru with the investigation I wonder how much it will drop. I just hope there will be severe sanctions and games vacated. GO BLUE and Happy Memorial day!

Happyshooter

May 30th, 2011 at 12:13 PM ^

I think as more back story comes out over the next week we will learn, and be able to guess, what was coming down the pipe.

 

The timing of the firing suggests that they had some lead time that Cheaty was going to get hammered.

 

The big question was whether the NCAA told Ohio State that they were going to get creamed just over what was known, or if there was another huge issue about to go public.

Cobalt2970

May 30th, 2011 at 12:40 PM ^

Michigan for sure, ND absolutely...but a team that has been hurting that could also benefit.

MSU...but i'll take tOSU downfall even if it helps little bro.

jericho

May 30th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^

Anybody buying Herbie's explination that Tressell "just got too caught up in being loyal to his players"??

 

Hehe.  I'm just giddy.

Picktown GoBlue

May 30th, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^

but after reading about his building a scheme to withhold their latest B1G rings until they promise not to sell them this year or something, if he was father figure, he was a pretty wimpy father figure.  His kids/players needed some good whipping into shape, not continual coddling and covering up.  Right, Roy Smalls, Mo C?

Hemlock Philosopher

May 30th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^

Jim Tressel is a sanctimonious son-of-a-bitch:  He leads an ethics class and writes a book about winning the right way and pretends to be a good Christian, all while doing this (Genuinely Sarcastic, for those who have read already).  He throws Clarett under the bus and lets buckeye nation run the likes of Herbstreit and Speilman out of town.  He's an asshole seven ways from Sunday.  Buckeye fans should hate him with a passion.  The greatest stretch against Michigan in their history will forever be tainted with his cheating and lying.  The NC in '02 was won with players on the take.  Why do you stand behind this man, buckeyes? 

Picktown GoBlue

May 30th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^

for jt is predictably a blue map with one red state, but surprisingly, Ohio is currently 51% No/49% Yes split. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=114187.

For more interesting reading, the deposed radio host Hooley has a column on Pryor being JT's downfall at http://www.foxsportsohio.com/05/30/11/The-downfall-of-a-Buckeye-legend/landing_ohiostate.html?blockID=529482