Three Ohio Coaches Among Top Ten Most Hated

Submitted by Edward Khil on May 25th, 2012 at 9:12 PM

ESPN has released a list of "College Football's Most Hated Coaches." While Steve Spurrier ranks #1, Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer all made the cut, as well (along with Rich Rodriguez).

The article is by Mark Schlabach, and appears to be wholly unscientific. But I can't argue with most on the list.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/61644/college-footballs-most-hated-coaches

Comments

M-Dog

May 25th, 2012 at 9:23 PM ^

RR is the only one hated for losing.  All the rest are hated by oppsoing fans for winning too much.  (Or for being unstable slimeballs like Kiffin and Petrino.)

bjk

May 26th, 2012 at 3:26 PM ^

is that he is an excellent OC who was fortuitously paired with an excellent DC at WV when he made the leap to HC, and exposed when UM cheaped out on a DC.

Would Hoke have fared better here in '08? Even without real money to hire assistants, I doubt Hoke would have ever put his secondary in the hands of someone like Gibson. He certainly would not have done as well as he did starting in '11. Anyway, I think the timing was as fortuitous for Hoke as it was shitty for RR; he got two years experience at SDSU, which was a promotion from Ball State, and the additional experience building programs. He also knew where he was headed all along, while RR found himself at an institutional dead end almost immediately after slamming the door on his first escape offer at Bama. UM was a little like Anywhere But Working for Pastilong to RR, which made everything a little unsettled for everyone. That, and a fractious and entitled UM community that was just realizing that Generalissimo Bo was no longer cracking heads and enforcing discipline -- picture Yugoslavia after Tito. As time goes on I can start to imagine how '08 could happen to either UM or RR.

From what I saw, entitled goons at WVU started making it impossible for RR to stay shortly after he gave his pledge to WVU. He built a gravy train, and then all the parasites wanted to suck off it, which is normal, and then they all wanted to get to drive it, which is also normal but intolerable. And all along, he seems to take the blowback created by the double-dealings of Pastilong, BM and MSC. (Gibson is still his fault -- here and at Arizona.)

I hope he gets a chance to set up his old formula for success from WV and to put all of the crap that fell on his head behind him. I think he showed himself to be a genuine, well-meaning and honest administrator as well as a powerful offensive mind while here, despite all the rest, which is hard to grasp after all the kerfluffle thrown up by the turkeys at WVU, the MSM smelling a "decline and fall" headline, the blame-shifting of BM and MSC covering up their own potentially firable offenses and, most of all, a rancid coalition of unethically ambitious local press and implacable RR-hating fifth-columnists inside our own AD. I hope, and we will see soon enough, that RR's departure from UM turns out to be a win for both. I can't remember if DB ever came out and said that it was all just too much to keep fighting back against even if success was on the way, but I remember getting that impression and at the time I though it was all unfair.

Now that I think about it, is was just plain true. At the time, I thought that firing RR rewarded saboteurs who put factions over program by giving them what they wanted. Now I think that it did bring the factional strife at UM to a quicker end; fighting it out would have, among other things, kept the old partisan hostilities on a permanent war footing until the battles had been fought to a restless truce, waiting to break out again. And against this, RR's potential was still unproven here and nobody was predicting an '11 season under RR that would be as good as the one Hoke actually had. I hope RR gets off to a good start at Arizona so we can all move on to greener pastures.

denardogasm

May 25th, 2012 at 9:28 PM ^

A lot of talk about running up the score in there.  Is he talking about against teams like EMU and Ball State and other little schools?  Personally I don't have a problem with running up the score once you get to the college and pro level, as long as it's not one of those teams doing you a favor by coming to your stadium to fill a spot on the schedule.  If you get hammered Wisco/Oregon style you have no one to blame but yourself.  Just play better.  And I noticed there was no talk of bad feelings towards Tressel or Hayes when they let the school down with their bad behavior.  Oh yeah, that's because Ohioans still don't see the problem.

LSAClassOf2000

May 25th, 2012 at 10:07 PM ^

This is a pretty solid list, for the most part. It would be hard to argue with most of these. 

One thing I always find strange but ultimately very Ohio is that, although Hayes' career ended when he punched Charlie Bauman in the  throat and then proceeded to verbally abuse the officials and then his boss after the game, he was still rewarded with the opportunity to mentor Ohio students until his death. I guess they wanted him to work with others on their throat-punching technique and dry wit.

As an aside, you would also think that, in retrospect, Volunteer fans would be upset with Kiffin's substandard communication skills more than anything. His ability to coach aside, give him a microphone or anything which allows words to be delivered to large audiences and Kiffin is his own worst enemy historically. If only he had taken some Carnegie courses....

Brodie

May 26th, 2012 at 10:02 AM ^

he was an old man with severe, untreated diabetes who lost all restraint for a moment and did something unthinkable. He wasn't some monster, it was a tragic show of what happens when you let football control your world and hang on for too long. 

I like the rivalry talk as much as anyone, but seriously go to tell Bo that Woody shouldn't have been allowed back to talk to those kids. He even had Woody come up here and lecture our players.

bjk

May 26th, 2012 at 4:14 PM ^

were bros, and they were cut from the same cloth. Perhaps that gave Bo a tolerance for things about Woody that the rest of us can't stand.

I think Woody's social disease was just a lack of self-discipline and respect for others in the heat of the moment and what I will have to call a hint of malice.

In W's best moments, he was a model of citizenship and leadership, such as the time in 1960 when he showed up to speak to and break up a crowd that had formed in protest to the Ohio Faculty Senate's decision to decline OSU's 1960-1 Rose Bowl invitation. His words at the time went to the tune of something like: "We're not talking about the rent; it's just football. Keep your focus on the big picture and stay out of trouble. Go Home." His actual words from this occasion are actually quite moving.

But from the time I started watching football in 1969, W was always in the news. He didn't lose "all restraint for a moment"; he did it over and over and over again. By this point, we have to acknowledge a complex mixture of not compatible tendencies; the restraint and good will he preached at the high point of drama in the institutional struggle between academics and football in 1960 are not visible in what looks to me like disrespect and ill will for at least some of the people around him on the football field. Not just the adversaries -- one of these days I need to go and pinpoint the place in the film of the 1969 M/OSU ABC broadcast where Woody expresses the sentiment, to an assistant, that "you're in the way, I can't see" by shoving him and knocking the beverage out of his hand. Fairly or not, that is the image of him that resonates with my recollections of the years that he personified OSU football to me.

And then there is the running-up-the-score thing. All of this together I take as a hint of malice.

To sum up, I quote Wilhelm Furtwüngler's comments about the symphonies of Anton Bruckner: "It is philistinism to suppose that greatness arises from a lack of faults." So Woody may have been a great man, just not a very nice one all the time. I think the normal hatefulness inspired by success over rival fanbases is augmented in his case by repeated instances of not-cool behavior.

This is the first I've heard about Woody speaking to the team from TSUN; the mythology seems to be that he would never stoop to do such a thing. I know Bo was tied to the OSU family by his years as an assistant there, leading to the famous "Dammit, Bo!" story. Can you lead us to more info on the subject of Woody's address to the Wolverines?

Wolverine Devotee

May 25th, 2012 at 10:58 PM ^

They have not had ONE coach leave on his own terms since 1950.

Pathetic and speaks volumes about the kind of program they truly are. Especially if you look into the reasons WHY those coaches were fired.

bjk

May 26th, 2012 at 4:29 PM ^

from wiki:

Bixler endured a mediocre 4–3–2 season. Bixler resigned and talk of Ohio State being a "graveyard of coaches" became commonplace, a reputation that lingered for decades.[9]

Wes Fesler became head coach in 1947 . . . In 1950 Fesler, rumored to be resigning because of pressures associated with the position and abuse of his family by anonymous critics [emphasis mine], returned to coach the Buckeyes, who won six games in a row to move into the top ranking in the AP poll. However the season fell apart as the Buckeyes lost to Michigan during a blizzard, a game that came to be known as the "Snow Bowl". Two weeks later, citing concerns about his health and family, Fesler resigned.

I suppose it all depends on what you mean by "his own terms"; would you consider Rommel's death to be on "his own terms?"

Speaking of "health and family," this seems to be a refrain for OSU coaches, doesn't it?

UMxWolverines

May 25th, 2012 at 11:40 PM ^

Their fanbase will probably spin the three coaches in the top ten to "Well everyone else hates us and our coaches because they envy us"

No, we hate your coaches because they are douchebags.

no joke its hoke

May 26th, 2012 at 9:05 AM ^

there is more to a program than wins and losses and its called class. something ohio knows nothing about. you love a coach that won you a lot of game and is remembered as a asshole,our greatest coach(Yost) is remembered as a legend,a man of character and a teacher. Now tell me which one you would rather have. there is only one right answer.

 

MgoBadFish

May 26th, 2012 at 7:42 AM ^

ohio is proud of their national champioships. Fine. Would Michigan like to have more? Of course. But Michigan fans are proud of the way we run the program and the class of the head coaches we hire. ohio's program and coaches have never had class so the fans don't know anything different. Every coach you hire leaves in shame and you don't care because they won. We expect better from our head coach. Our former coaches are loved by our fans and respected by everyone. I will take Bo over woody and Carr over tress and Hoke over meyer.