TheRinger on the man that can do all
Preseason Heisman talk is dumb. Preseason Heisman talk about primarily defensive players is beyond idiotic. Matt Borcas is an Buckeye troll creating unreasonable hype just to be obnoxious.
I dont see this as a troll job. The article is mostly about how the heisman is a QB/RB award more than it is a best college football player award.
August 10th, 2016 at 2:05 AM ^
Attempted to equate Peppers with WOODSON... As good as Peppers has been (at times) in his M career, he hasn't came close to replicating what Woodson was able to do. Any argument to the contrary is essentially an attempt to discredit Woodson at this point in time. Neg if you fucking like, but everything that I just typed is the truth.
August 10th, 2016 at 8:06 AM ^
Your trolling is getting more subtle. It is still obvious, but not as gapingly obvious as it was a week ago.
Who says OSU grads can't learn? It's just the current enrollees who can't learn.
So basically you're all pissed off because Bill Simmons website had a writer say something nice about one of our players?
You must be fun at parties.
If this is the same kurpit that I see posting on r/cfb a lot, he is the most self-loathing Michigan fan I've ever seen in my life. The guy is all over that site karma whoring about how he's the only 'reasonable' Michigan fan, how we're still going to have an 8 or 9 win season this year, and about how great MSU and OSU are and will continue to be.
Off the top of my head I can recall him posting something about how Michigan has never been perennially as good as MSU and OSU are right now and how the preseaon 8 ranking in the coaches poll is just blind Michigan optimism, and it's really just repeated in about every thread pertaining to UM. He's totally ridiculous.
he is the most self-loathing Michigan fan I've ever seen in my life
Drew Sharp says shut your whore mouth.
No. It's because this article doesn't even cite anything that Peppers has done to make him a candidate unless you count listing his 40 time or playing multiple positions.
It's a shitty argument. Titling this "Give Jabrill Peppers the Heisman now" will sure generate controversy and clicks though.
What does it say? What is the argument that this author is making that everybody here finds so compelling? Somebody please tell me.
His whole argument essentially uses Jabrill as a proxy for the type of player that should be - but isn't - in the top tier heisman contender conversation.
Here's the whole article:
- Bovada odds on Heisman contenders
- Textbook definition of who the Heisman is actually supposed to go to
- Facts about non QB/RB players winning the Heisman
- Link about Jabrill playing up to 100 plays per game with the quote "If a full-time three-way player can’t win the Heisman, then no non-QB/RB is hoisting it ever again."
- Comparison of Peppers to Heisman winner Woodson
- Stuff about Peppers' athletic ability and versatility
- More of that with some links to plays he made last year
- And then in the conclusion, back to the main, overarching and valid point of the article: "Consider this a formal plea to Heisman voters everywhere: Stop prioritizing gaudy passing and rushing stats at the expense of every other aspect of football. Awarding quarterbacks and running backs is perfectly fine in moderation — Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, and Deshaun Watson all deserve commendation — but failing to recognize him would be an unforgivable oversight. You can’t hold his position against him, because he doesn’t have one."
But you, of course, had to turn it into a way to poo poo the hype of a top Michigan player going into the season because, idk, you like to?
The damned article is titled "Give Jabrill Peppers the Heisman now" when the case for Jabrill to win the Heisman is pretty weak. He's a great player but when it comes to actually listing why he is the most outstanding player in the nation, it falls very flat.
The worst part is where the author wants to compare him to Woodson. It says "It’s hard not to compare Peppers to Woodson" and links it to a fucking article titled "Don't compare Jabrill Peppers to Michigan great Charles Woodson" that goes on to talk a great bit about how they're not a great comparison.
Okay, try responding to anything I actually said instead of apparently just continuing with your thoughts from your last post.
It's a clickbaity title, obviously, but the actual point of the article is valid and reasoned. You just chose to use it to continue bashing Michigan for god knows what reason, which is why you're being downvoted.
Bash Michigan? I didn't say anything bad except about the article!
"Preseason Heisman talk about primarily defensive players is beyond idiotic."
Bash Michigan...bash Jabrill...same thing.
Besides, that wasn't even the point of the article. The point was, as I've already outlined, that players like Peppers should be just as much Heisman contenders as the top QBs and RBs in the game. Apparently that was lost on you, or you didn't actually get past the title of the article.
Anyways, I've made my point. The voting makes it clear who everyone agrees with.
If the point of the article was to bring attention to these sort of great 2-way/3-way players then you'd think that mentioning Adoree Jackson would be a big point to miss.
I didn't bash Jabrill either. I said that he's a great player, but whatever. I've been damned as a heretic for not circlejerking hard enough I guess.
August 10th, 2016 at 8:10 AM ^
Nail yourself to a cross much?
I've been a user here for over 7 years. You must be a serious conspiracy theorist if you think I've been playing such a long con that I've waited all this time so that I could call an article about a Michigan player "bad" and that is my great slight against Michigan.
August 10th, 2016 at 2:10 AM ^
But shouldn't Heisman contenders actually rack up a massive amount of points, or sacks, or picks, or some shit like that? Just because a dude is exceptionally talented isn't a reason to hand him the Heisman... If that were the case, fucking Vontaze Burfict would have at least made the final 4-5 and been invited to NY. I love Peppers as much as the next fan, but let's be real here.
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Some might even say "beyond idiotic".
We shouldn't be having this thread until breezy has an interception or a sack.
beat MSU on a Jabrill pick and OSU on a Jabrill sack.
Can we talk about stuf then?
Obviously. You're not a golfer.
You made your avatar with a guy that doesn't have an interception or a sack?
...against MSU and OSU
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Peppers defies positional labeling. He considers himself an athlete; I think of him as a wizard. He’s been manning multiple positions since high school, and has become majestically swole since matriculating at Michigan. As a three-way player logging a significant number of plays per game, Peppers should merit Heisman consideration just by staying healthy.
As much as I am always a bit wary of preseason Heisman discussions which involve players on the team you cheer for, I find that part of me sort of said, "Yeah, basically, if we're talking about the discussion by itself" as I read that last sentence there, assuming (and obviously, it isn't a stretch here) he does some of the things that we are hopeing he'll do on top of that. Does he win it? I don't know that those chances are quite so good honestly, but the name will get tossed around definitely.
Peppers is going to be a stud, but players like him who don't accumulate raw stats will have trouble winning the award. He'll be doing a bit of everything, but not enough of one thing to wow voters.
And it's basically damn near impossible for a defensive player to win the Heisman. Rarely happens.
But he also gets plenty of offensive snaps. If he turns some of them into TD's, and gets some timely INT's and sacks, he'll have plenty of publicity. The odds are against him, sure, and wildly so.
But those odds were also against #2 when his season started...
"Timely" is a huge part of the equation. Woodson had The INT against #15 MSU. Had a TD catch in a national blowout of #3 PSU, and an INT and punt return TD vs. #4 OSU.
His biggest moments came in the biggest games. And his team went undefeated.
Peppers has the same opportunity, but it will take another 'perfect storm' of circumstance and performance.
...no thanks. But I'll take a rugby style punt.
Losing is a 2 generations tradition for the Lions... are we really gonna put all that on Suh?
Well ideally you don't give it a go in a 3 point game midway through the third quarter.
Looking forward to what Peppers does on the field this year out of the LB/hybrid position. Sacks and TFLs are a guarantee, based on what Dr. Blitz's linebackers did at BC previously.
More national attention is sure to follow if Pep scores a few times on offense. Heisman is not out of the question.
is hype in advance of the season, and Peppers has that. If he manages some sacks, INTs, and TDs early in the season, he'll be well positioned for the stretch run.
However, the single most critical factor beyond his own play is the obvious: Michigan victories, especially in key games like MSU and OSU. If we lose even a single game, his chances decline significantly. If Michigan had lost anywhere along the way in 1997, the race between Woodson and Manning would have been far closer.
Denard and Tate have won the Heisman in September like 15 years during their Michigan tenure because of hype.
Ultimately, I agree with your second point however. It's complete crap, but for some reason the Heisman is attached to a team's success.
Dead on. This is crucial. If Pep plays big in the rivalry games and they win out, (which they damn well could and should) that will make a strong case for him to win Heisman. I could really care less if they didn't use him on offense until those two games. In a perfect world the defense won't need him that bad all the time giving him more reps on offense. I can actually see this happening if they get up a couple scores. Fire all your guns at one thing and explode the bitches to space!!
to be talking about this until we beat OSU and MSU 3 times in a row.
That puts our Heisman discussions out to 2020 at the earliest.
McCaffrey might win the Heisman and is a great athlete. He is not however a better (athlete) than Jabrill Peppers and not a better football player. Is he a better runningback? Probably but remember, Jabrill doesn't just play running back.
To McCaffrey. Who knows if he could play multiple positions? He just needs to excel at one.
Yet, he doesn't play any more positions. What if Jabril only played running back? Hmmm, he doens't because that would be a waste of his unique talent now wouldn't it? They aren't even on the same level as all around football player/athlete. Go back to school.
McCaffrey does play multiple positions.
According to USA Today:
Last season in addition to his snaps at running back and returner, McCaffrey had 62 snaps at receiver and 41 as a wildcat quarterback (or WildCaff, as Stanford calls it), according to Pro Football Focus.
Shaw can rattle off at least six places McCaffrey could line up on offense, not including quarterback. “He was 2 of 3 passing too, let’s not forget that,” Bloomgren said. “Two touchdowns.”