Targeting the Targeting Rule
So, one of the more frustrating adventures for UM fans last year was the random and seemingly one-sided targeting calls, and/or non-calls. We seemed to be on the wrong side of virtually every targeting call. The fact that they all get thoroughly reviewed, supposedly under some common microscope, only heightened our frustrations! A question for the board: How does college football improve this process?
replay officials have to do a better job.
Bolden was pushed.
Rudddock was nearly decapitated several times. I recall one of the 15yd PF flags was picked up even tho he was drilled in the face and had his chip strap across his eyes.
That was still the most confusing call of 2015, they went to review for targeting and determined it wasnt targeting, I am fine with that. But like you said there is no way that wasnt still a personal foul for roughing the passer.
The replay officials have to do a better job of determining that the player lined up and tried to deliberatly hurt the other player, its football sometimes your going to hit the helmet and that cant be ruled as targeting.
I vote for replay officials to review the replay officials as they review the replay. That way a replay of the replay can be watched and we can all see how they always F these calls up.
Asking Big Ten Replay officials to "do a better job" is like asking Britney Spears to sing better. It's just not physically possible. You could replace them with a monkey flipping a quarter and get better accuracy.
If the game announcers get the call right most of the time and in half the time the officials take, maybe give them a say. Let them call the official in the booth over and say hey look at this. Start fining officials heavily for blown calls, The calls that reviewed several times and still called wrong.
Now you just shut your whore mouth about Britney. She sings like an angel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxw0HU-4tdI
/s in case you don't watch the video
I'm telling you guys, these guys doing the jobs are getting paid or hate UM. You can't kill that with a gun.(the movie Shooter reference) Or else it could be that all of these guys doing this stuff just really suck at their jobs and should be replaced. I really hate Ohio and USC. I think they are a bunch of dipshits. That's just me but if I'm a replay official I'm not going to ever play the cards for anyone. You get what you get. Unfortunately for UM it's probably going to be a lot more bullshit calls because they'll kicking the absolute crap out of everyone. The haters really hate that stuff.
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I was pretty sure this thread would be about Kristen Wiig targeting Target. My bad.
Every call?
2 Follow the NFL and have a centralized location for replays. You don't need everything to flow through them, but they should have the ultimate say and be able to trump local decisions. That would give you consistency between conferences.
Those are unrealistic and won't happen because different conferences each do their own thing.
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Connected helmets to measure impact. More camera angles. Centralized review team with "professionals" who are given training and performance metrics.
Connected helmets are a completely separate issue.
But the technology either exists or can exist in short order to collect massive amounts of data on the impacts endured by football players and should be implemented. And, as data comes in, use the data live to assess the health of players. These are huge issues and we are flying blind and we do not have to.
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i agree with this. It's way too open to interpretation and unlike similar opinion penalties, like roughing the passer, it's way too punitive to leave to interpretation. They are trying to pretend that football is safe because the lawyers told them to. It doesn't fool me though, not with the OL and RBs getting their heads knocked every single play
Make a targeting call more akin to a yellow card in soccer. (or the flagrant foul calls in the NBA playoffs) - Not an immediate ejection, but if you get enough calls, you are kicked out of the next game. Every targeting call is reviewed after the game at a centralized location.
but then it's like a claim that concussions aren't THAT dangerous and the lawsuits commence (or so their lawyers tell them)
another huge problem i have is it seems to go way beyond deterring big hits to the point that diving tackles are gone. I definitely recall plays last year the defense allowed a receiver to score a TD instead of dive for the hit. It's definitely negatively impacting the game
also the insincerity of it all....if you want safe football, let's see how many turn up and pay $60 to see a game of 2 hand touch
That's not a claim that concussions aren't that important. A yellow card system would simplify the process by skipping the useless targeting replay - a process we know as Michigan fans keeps no one safe.
It was a little ridiculously one-sided last year, yes.
I know what they shouldn't do, leave the rule exactly the same as it was. Which, is exactly what they did. The reasoning is solid though, they needed to try to vote down camps that help kids. Bravo Ncaa, bravo.
of a 3 yard box from LOS.
That way, players will get the message quickly to stop doing it.
Before you go postal on me, Rugby avoids head contact at very high rates.
I kind of agree. A much stronger rule may be necessary here. Make every player shy away from head-on contact not because they're afraid of injury (an impulse that is not reliable in adrenalized competitors) but because the mistake will cost their team yards.
Will it unpleasantly change the game? Yeah. You know what else is unpleasant? CTE.
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than reacting to what's happening in front of you at full speed. Even if you tried to protect your head, it's inevitable that your head will make contact with something. There are too many variables to take account for especially when there's 200-300+ lbs running at full speed.
You can reduce it but hard collision will happen because players are bigger, stronger and faster than in the past and that will lead to a higher potential for head injuries even with correct techniques due to the speed of the game.
One player that I know has excellent techniques which is rugby style tackling yet he has multiple concussions because it's nearly impossible not to have a big collision with his head.
Your point is about making the game safer which is a totally different point than the topic mentioned above. My point is that it's nearly impossible not to make contact with the opposing team's head or make a big hit at full speed which would make it nearly impossible to determine if it's targeting or not. Targeting is a stupid rule right from the start and always has been.
I would've totally targeted your rotator cuff if I played against you in basketball. I can sense weaknesses like that.
As you said, these were clear, one way or the other upon review, either targeting or not. Obviously when there cannot be a collective decision, which is stupid because everyone watching concludes the same, penalize the officials, there is something going through their minds that has nothing to do with the penalty and everything to do with the team it's called on This forces a decision and when it's clear they deliberately favored one team, this is a fucking NO-NO. . Let them go a week without a paycheck, they will soon figure out they had better call the penalty as described in the rule book.
It is almost never called or applied correctly.
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Incidental targeting (i.e. helmet-to-helment contact like the old days) should be a 15-yard penalty.
Egregious targeting with an intent to injure (i.e. spearing) should be an ejection. So if a defender launches himself head-first like a missle at someone's head, well then you can kick him out.
Right now you are just randomly kicking guys out because an offensive player ducks before contact. It's ridiculous.
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1. Better training for the refs
2. Death penalty for entire referee team if they get it wrong
I think it's typically pretty clear when it is an intentional head shot vs unintentional
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So we may be a little jaded about it...my opinion is that there is the right intent with the rule; however their needs to be easily visible criteria for it, indisputable video evidence, and non-biased and/or non-moronic officials for the review process.
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Let the booth do a yellow/red card system if no flag is thrown.