"Substitution with the Intent to Deceive"

Submitted by WichitanWolverine on November 7th, 2015 at 5:31 PM

Someone please explain it to me. 10 point swing right there in my opinion.

Go Blue.

Mod edit: Here's the rule. Link. JGB.

Unfair Tactics

ARTICLE 2. a. No player shall conceal the ball in or beneath his clothing or equipment or substitute any other article for the ball.

b. No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process may be used to confuse opponents (Rule 3-5-2-e) (A.R. 9-2-2-I-V).


Stringer Bell

November 7th, 2015 at 5:33 PM ^

That was the worst reffed half I've seen in a long time.  Phantom PIs, made up rules, finally get a targeting call in our favor and it gets overruled.  Of course this crew will not be held accountable and will be back next week, probably reffing our game.


November 7th, 2015 at 7:07 PM ^

You may actually be 100% correct here. There is a ref vigilante going post to post with a neg to any and every mention of this play or an official. 

Live in fear of the wrath of B1G officials! They come for your yards, your MGoPoints, and eventually.. your SOUL !!


November 7th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

Check out this article:  What Butt did is explicitly outlawed:


I would guess that maybe you can try to argue that he was in the huddle, but he clearly wasn't.

I had initial similar outrage, but remembered that GT-Clemson game's uproar and assumed the refs were right, they just added the stupid "deceive" language in their inept attempt to try to explain things.

Stu Daco

November 7th, 2015 at 7:10 PM ^

That is a terrible interpretation of the rule.  The key to the deception penalty is a simulated substitution or replacement.  In other words, A2 has to act as if he's being replaced by A12 but remain on the field in an attempt to deceive. 

That's not at all what happened here.  Three guys leave the field, three guys come on, and then 15-20 yards behind the substitutes, Butt sets up out wide.  That is not a simulated substitution.  It's just a wide-set formation.


November 7th, 2015 at 11:28 PM ^

What Butt did is only simulating substitution if every single WR who lines up on their sideline's side of the field is simulating substitution. The deception was in leaving the huddle earlier than other players, not in attempting to appear like he was leaving in response to other guys coming in (as the rule example talks about).  I mean seriously, is it against the rules to line up on the wide side of the field near the sideline? Or is it only illegal if the other team is too stupid to see you? Or is it illegal to leave the huddle at a different time than everyone else?

I mean damn, does this mean no-huddle offenses are now illegal? What if half the guys huddle?

Just another damn stupid mistake by an idiot ref. Did you see that jerk laughing at Harbaugh? I wanted to punch him. :(



November 7th, 2015 at 5:35 PM ^

Michigan State ran that exact same play against us in 1997 and Sedrick Irvin got a TD out of it. So unless they changed the rule since then, that's a legal play and the refs fucked up again.


November 7th, 2015 at 5:36 PM ^

The call was unsportsman like conduct..the rest was the ref explaining why the call. This is a very common play in nfl and i dont see how this is unsportsman like conduct, so faking a fg or punt is not one? This was a horrible call..by far worse than targeting call.

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