Student Section going GA

Submitted by hailtothevictors08 on April 22nd, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I am sure this makes many of you happy but as a kid whose tickets were going to have excellent senior standing next year and who always makes it before kickoff, I am really angry.

GA is just chaos 

(Edit: As a poster pointed out below, tickets are also way more expensive)

(Second Edit: To those thinking you will get good seats just for showing up before kick, you are wrong. Now that there is a reason to go early, we will have our own mini-Paternoville. For good games, you will have to be there 2 hours early. I love Michigan football, but as a grad student who also remembers pregames as the best part of being an undergrad, I really think this could kill some of the Saturday fun.)




April 23rd, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

but various Greeks are perpetuating the stereotypes of their predecessors. If various members (I know not all do this) would stop showing up plastered midway through the game, then this meme would die within a few years

But they don't. A section of the Greeks do this every, single game and they reenforce that stereotype to a new generation of Michigan students and fans


April 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^

So let me get this straight - because some people in a particular group perpetuate stereotypes, that makes it OK to stereotype that group? If I said all black people are criminals, can I justify that by saying that those black people who commit crimes are perpetuating the stereotype and until they all stop that stereotype is OK?

I know that's an extreme example, but the analogy is valid. Some blondes are stupid and some Southerners are racist or illiterate, but that doesn't make it OK for me to generalize them based on that.


April 23rd, 2013 at 3:55 PM ^


That was for the other thread.

But if someone said "I like all my servants to be black. Since I was a child, my nanny, my maid, my cook, were all black, and I have a level of comfort with them doing those job..."  would certainly be a positive recommendation, but I think might not have the same warm fuzzy feeling, even though it's the same thing.


April 23rd, 2013 at 6:23 PM ^

If that person was black they might.  

A better example would be a black person going to a black hair dresser.   My wife is Guatemalan and she wants our son (soon to be sons) to learn about her culture and language so we hired a Guatemalan nanny who speaks Spanish and can cook Guatemalan food well and is from Guatemala so she can (along with my wife) teach our sons that culture.  Is that stereotyping?   

We are now on a completely different topic.  People hiring people of their own culture is not the same thing as stereotyping based on that culture.  

Doc Brown

April 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 PM ^

but at least my drunk GDI butt showed up on time (two hours early) and not 7 min into the 2nd qtr, only to leave at the half like the 4 greek girls in my row in 2011. It is called time management. 

Now they get relegated to the top. hallelujah

Here is another tip for the greeks. GET A MAIZE SHIRT! You are the ones killing the maize outs in the student section. 


April 23rd, 2013 at 1:10 AM ^

Come on, you know me, and somehow despite my 4 seasons' worth of sweet sorority pregame tank tops, I have never been late to a game or left early. The letters make us stand out from the student body, but there are good and bad fans both Greek and non-affiliated (there, I stopped calling you geeds, geeds) so it's really stupid to try and claim that the non-Greeks are absolutely superior football fans. They just blend in better or never bought tickets in the first place. 

FTR, I totally support GA. but trying to say "boohoo the sorority girls make everything terrible!" makes me picture this entire thread sitting in there basement being this guy: 

"Football fandom 2/10, would not bang."

STW P. Brabbs

April 23rd, 2013 at 6:28 AM ^

I'm a bit of an outside observer about this little back-and-forth, but I'll point this out: you were doing a decent job of establishing the moral high ground and making a case against broad streotypes.

Then you fell back upon 'people who criticize sorority girls are probably just uggos who wish we'd have sex with 'em.'

So ... I'm thinking you've lost this particular argument, sweetie.

Doc Brown

April 23rd, 2013 at 8:48 AM ^

Show up on TIME and DON'T LEAVE. Have the entire greek population wear a maize shirt and not a grey one or blue one for their greek pride shirt. Until then the greek population will have their shitty fan rep. By being on time in the marching band world that means getting there EARLY. 



April 23rd, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^

But to say "anyone who ever had a problem with sorority girsl must be NEERRRDDDDSSS" ....well, that's out of "Revenge of the Nerds 101" and is perpetuating the stereotype rather than fighting it. Just pointing out how silly it is to say "these stereotypes aren't fair" while acting them out....


April 23rd, 2013 at 2:11 AM ^

Guess what? Some people not in fraternities drink. Some people not in fraternities show up late and don't wear maize. By some people, I mean lots of people. Lots of brahs don't join fraternities, and lots of regular guys do. In fact, some fraternities are full of dorks, truth be told, and some of the guys who are too cool to join a house are as douchey as any who do. Anecdote? A very good buddy of mine from HS didn't need to buy his friends like I did, yet he pre-gamed at our house every Saturday and made it to the game about half the time. Weird how that works.

But lots of us who joined fraternities loved Michigan sports as much as anyone else and we showed up on time. And cheered really loud. So leave your anti-Greek shit out of this.

STW P. Brabbs

April 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 PM ^

As a non-Greek alum, I'm pretty confident in speaking for the group when I say that the distinction between Greek and non-Greek as it might apply to your friend would be totally lost on damn near everyone outside of your frat (or potentially a broader group of frats/sororities ... I'm not sure how that works.)


April 23rd, 2013 at 2:02 PM ^

OK, but if he did that at a non-Greek house before the games, would the point be any different? Lots of Greeks show up on time and lots of non-Greeks show up late and drunk. You just don't see them because they don't have a shirt designating them so (or like you said, you just assume or mistake that he's Greek).

Doc Brown

April 23rd, 2013 at 6:51 AM ^

Not shit really!!! you are blowing my mind! I never knew about engineering frats like Triangle and Omega. Don't lecture me son when I am most likely much older than you. I have seen the tendencies of the different populations from my time in undergrad and in graduate school. 

OMG Shirtless

April 22nd, 2013 at 8:05 PM ^

Back in my day, we'd have our sorority pregame partners send in some slutty spring break pictures with our ticket orders.  Surprisingly, it used to work quite well.  There's no other reason why a fraternity/sorority combo with credits ranging from 30 - 90 would end up in the first 30-40 rows.

Not saying it was the right thing to do, but it worked.


April 22nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^

I actually just posted about this in another thread! I'm not sure how to feel about it, I'm a bit nervous that it could get reeeeeally rowdy in there.  Also, student tickets are so much more expensive this year...


April 22nd, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^

I bet this gets reversed after a year or two. Now people that are Sr/Jr and pregame until 1145 and show up 15 minutes late will have shit seats, so they just won't come. This won't improve the turnout rate of the student section, and even if they then shrink it, you'll still have a problem where the top 30 rows are never filled, unless you make 72-100 non-student tickets.


April 22nd, 2013 at 7:24 PM ^

Life is full of difficult decisions.  This is not one of them.

Drink a couple more beers, or get a few rows closer.  It's a simple choice.

Or do what I would do: Wake up 30 minutes earlier, drink those beers anyway, stop at Blue Front to grab 4 airplane mini-liquor bottles, buy a souvenir coke at concessions, keep the party going.

Double Wolverine

April 22nd, 2013 at 8:06 PM ^

I have a feeling it is going to be more than 30 minutes, at least for the big games. Getting into the stadium 15 min before kickoff got you your seats before, but now that the majority of people will be fighting for good seats I wouldn't be surprised to see people there 2 hours before. That is a long and sobering time...

Central will be an interesting barometer before UTL Part II.


April 23rd, 2013 at 2:35 PM ^

This guy's got it figured out.

My school does GA and I always get to our stadium at least 30 minutes early. The stadium is half the size of the Big House, but I usually sit about 15 rows up, and that's only so that we have room for my entire group of friends. 

Noon games suck to pregame for, but if you drink enough Friday night you can wake up still drunk (or it'll kick in after a beer or two). Nothing like a Busch Light at 8am. Breakfast of champions.


April 22nd, 2013 at 9:22 PM ^

You weren't in the student section at the bball games. You obviously didn't see that people came the night before to get in line. I had the time to do it once. Guess what? I saw people get trampled by a mob who pushed to get in the stadium first. Get some perspective or at least some info to back up your claim. 

South Bend Wolverine

April 22nd, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^

Long, long overdue.  As a student, I figured out pretty quickly that GA is the best way to organize a student section, and I've always stood by that position.  Glad that good fans will be rewarded!