DK81

July 5th, 2015 at 9:59 PM ^

the pistons have a nice piece moving foward with Stanley! I love me some summer league. Some of the hardest basketball you will see played if you have never checked it out on NBA TV. Great look at future NBA prospects.

TyTrain32

July 5th, 2015 at 10:02 PM ^

I love this pick, hes a bull man. How has Winslow been performing?
This video shows some touch that I didnt see him have while at Arizona, maybe I didnt watch enough of their games...

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TheLastHarbaugh

July 5th, 2015 at 10:59 PM ^

I'd take the Stones over the Bulls. The Bulls were literally 6 years of Jordan and garbage. The Spurs have been great recently, but their contributions to the league are nothing compaired to the Stones. You can't just take recent success into account. It's not just about championships. The Pistons have won 5 championships, 2 before the NBA was even a thing. 

It's about the franchise's overall contribution to the league, I'd argue it's Lakers, Celtics, and then Pistons.

Gucci Mane

July 5th, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^

With your criteria #3 is not out of the question, but I personally don't think you put enough stock into total number of championships, or current position. Are the Pistons in position to contend for a NBA title in the foresable future ? I hope so but I don't see it with our inability to sign a big time FA. To me the only hope is making a playoff run or two with Drummond becoming a star, and that might entice a superstar to come with the hopes of a title. 

TheLastHarbaugh

July 5th, 2015 at 10:59 PM ^

I'd take the Stones over the Bulls. The Bulls were literally 6 years of Jordan and garbage. The Spurs have been great recently, but their contributions to the league are nothing compaired to the Stones. You can't just take recent success into account. It's not just about championships. The Pistons have won 5 championships, 2 before the NBA was even a thing. 

It's about the franchise's overall contribution to the league, I'd argue it's Lakers, Celtics, and then Pistons.

lilpenny1316

July 6th, 2015 at 9:31 AM ^

You take them out of NYC and you have the Bucks.  Never has a franchise won so little and been given so much attention.  They are the poster child for East Coast bias.  Two championships in NBA history.  They would only be above the Pistons because of the city they play in.

Rockets haven't won anything since the mid-90s.

TheLastHarbaugh

July 5th, 2015 at 10:38 PM ^

When you consider that the NBA as it exists, was brokered at Pistons' owner Fred Zollner's kitchen table, and all that Zollner did for the league (one of the single most influential people in NBA history), combined with what Davidson did after him (how many franchises have TWO hall of fame NBA owners who were incredibly impactful in terms of the history of the league?) and then you take into account the Pistons' success over multiple periods of time. They make an excellent case for being that 4th team. The Pistons are older than the NBA, remember.

ckersh74

July 5th, 2015 at 10:14 PM ^

I'm not going to worry about the Jackson signing, due to the fact that the NBA cap could very well go up about 60% in the next two years alone, plus the threat of another lockout in 2017 or so. 

ckersh74

July 5th, 2015 at 10:23 PM ^

Yup. The new media deals are just now starting to kick in across the league. 

All of a sudden what looks like a bad contract now isn't going to be a big deal in ~3 years. Now, if the guy acts like a twatbag while he's here, that's a different issue, but that contract isn't going to cripple us if we need to make a move down the road. 

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^

Even if the cap were to double (it won't) paying $8M a year at current cap levels for a below average NBA PG is dumb.

Jackson will put up numbers to be sure. The team SVG has put around the PG position is a spot where anyone can do that (see the flashes from Jennings post-Smith last year and even a few great games from Dinwiddie.)  But he's an inefficent volume scorer and a bad defender. Players like that are dime a dozen and will not lead the team  The Pistons have committed themselves to a PG who isn't appreaciably better than Knight or Jennings.  As soon as Drummond signs his max extension, they will have locked themselves in to an inflexible situation and therefore, even if things go well, they will have to pay Ilysova and Morris big money before the team has a chance to round into playoff contention.

TyTrain32

July 5th, 2015 at 10:19 PM ^

So if they resigned Jackson what does that mean for Jennings? Ill admit, I stopped watching them for the last 4-5 years, plus I cant stand the way most nba teams play. With all the new and young talent plus Stan Van, I am intrigued.

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Knight

July 5th, 2015 at 10:50 PM ^

on a pretty cheap contract. He is still maddeningly inconsistent with his shot/decision making but started playing really well last season only to unfortunately shred his achilles. I think he is a good piece to keep around if he comes back healthy as a highly used 6th man but if the right trade comes along he can be considered surplus to requirements.

TheLastHarbaugh

July 5th, 2015 at 10:20 PM ^

People have compared him to Ron Artest (minus the crazy) and from what I've seen, I'm sold. He's a thoroughly solid player with a ton of potential and an A+ kid. He fits Deeeetroit Baaasketballl perfectly.

MDot

July 5th, 2015 at 10:25 PM ^

A max deal for Jackson? I know the cap goes up, but damn...

 

I was one of the few who thought Stanley Johnson projected to the next level better than Winslow did. Hollis-Jefferson was saying recently he thought Johnson's game was more suited for the pro game than in college. People forget was playing alongside no one who could create offense at Zona (and Miller hasn't had a good offense since...???), meanwhile Winslow had all the room in the world to operate alongside the best low post scorer in college, the best pure-PG in college, and sniper to stretch the court (Cook). Johnson would've looked every bit as good (or better) if you swapped them out...

TheLastHarbaugh

July 5th, 2015 at 10:55 PM ^

It's all about context. Middleton, Knight, lots of guys have gotten near the max or the max. The max isn't the max (as dumb as that sounds), considering the cap is set to rise from $60 million to $120 million in a few years. Today's max will be tomorrow's discount. It's just the way it is.

Considering Reggie played at an all star level with Detroit under SVG's system (averaging 20-10-5 per 36), and was not only the BEST pick and roll scorer in the league with Detroit, but also the BEST pick and roll distributor, it's worth the money. Reggie is an all star level point guard and played as such with the Pistons.

Combine that with the fact that he and Drummond had amazing chemistry (the only duo with a better assist ratio and better points per PnR in the league was CP3 to Blake Griffin) and that's money.

Lanknows

July 6th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

It's still a bad contract even if the he's making only 10% of the team cap.

They had no reason to give him this much money.  There's very little market for his services and literally NO other team was going to offer him this much.  His only recourse was to go the Monroe route which is highly risky. Even then, the Pistons could have resigned him.

The absolute most they should have paid him was $13M per, which would have saved him the indignity of taking less than what OKC offered.  The very most they should have given him is 3 years with a team option for a fourth.  He hasn't even proven himself as an above average NBA PG and they handed him a bigger contract than a lot proven PGs.

The Pistons would have been far better off letting Jennings and Dinwiddie run the show maybe with a free agent off the bargain been like Lin or Joseph than what they did -- locking in the franchise into a massive contract with an unproven player.

bacon1431

July 6th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^

I think you are severely undestimating Jackson. There's a reason why the Thunder were willing to pay him starter money as a backup. Look at how he finished the season. If he plays like that, he's a bargain for what he's making. If he continues to only average what he did since he came over, he's still averaging near a double-double. Brandon Knight only nearly met it in points. Knight is a better shooter and that's it. Jackson is better in PnR (which was deadly with him and Drummond), getting to the basket, drawing fouls, defense and rebounding. Dinwiddie is not even proven as a backup (though I like his potential) and we don't even know if Jennings will be capable of playing starter's minutes at an effective level coming off his injury. The contract is not an anchor at all. When the cap goes up it's going to be very movable if Jackson doesn't live up to it.