Speight Still Hasn't Found a Transfer School

Submitted by Caesar on March 9th, 2018 at 5:30 AM

I had heard from a Sam Webb podcast a while ago that Wilton still hasn't found a school and an MLive article says he'd come back if She wasn't in the picture (link). From what I recall, Memphis was an option at one time, but that has since closed up. 

Anyway, how would you say this impacts--if at all--the Michigan QB contest of 2018? Are there rules that would limit his ability to come back to the team? Would anyone here be interested to see Wilton back at the helm? 

Comments

Chalky White

March 9th, 2018 at 8:02 AM ^

First, you have have to find a team who either is giving up on its QB or just lost a QB. Then, of those schools, you have to find a school that isn't running a "run first" system. No team is going to change its system to accomodate a guy with one year of eligibility.

When Shea Patterson said he was transferring, there weren't many major programs on the list and his skills for the majority of the systems out there.

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 8:19 AM ^

I don’t necessarily agree with the “run first” philosophy. You can definitely find a non-P5 school that’s pass heavy where Speight could do well.

I mean just off the top of my head, Shane Morris had a pretty good year at CMU, and he was BEHIND Speight. There’s also the fact that John O’Korn was able to pass for 3,110 yards with 28 TDs and 10 picks as a true freshman. Speight is better than him. There are clearly plenty on non-P5 places Speight could go and thrive.

Chalky White

March 9th, 2018 at 9:25 AM ^

We all know O'Korn had a pact with some sort of dark force that expired after his freshman year. I don't know what CMU was running before Shane got there. I could see Speight going to a wacky WAC system or an air raid spread in the Mountain West but he still has to find one school in those conferences who doesn't have a returning starter. I don't mind Speight's ability to avoid a rush. I don't want him running RPO plays even when healthy unless it's it's once or twice a game at best.

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^

Doesn’t have to be a wacky WAC offense. Speight has starting experience at a major P5 school. His record is what, 12-3? Something like that? He did it successfully. He could go to virtually any group of 5 school and probably quite a few P5 schools and be successful. Obviously he would want to avoid schools that rely on designed QB runs, but there are tons of schools that would love to have him. I mean hell, Miami (OH) took Alex Malzone for crying out loud. You really think a MAC school would take our 4th or 5th string QB but wouldn’t take a guy with a year and a half starting experience?

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^

It was an option. That’s why he asked for his release before bowl practices started. He wanted a head start on looking for a destination. He even said he was announcing his transfer that early so he could go through spring practice with his new team. For whatever reason, that didn’t work out.

Clarence Boddicker

March 9th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^

Can we stop hammering Pep Hamilton now that he's basically just the qb coach along with Harbaugh? What kind of sense does they have "no Pep Hamilton" even mean now, with a reorganized coaching staff? How was this one coach the cause of all our problems on offense? Jesus Christ, people here just fucking want to find the bad in EVERYTHING about the program, even when the bad doesn't exist.

Chalky White

March 9th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^

No one hammered Pep Hamilton. I only mentioned his name in the context of of who coached the last offense any of us saw. People act like football didn't exist before Rich Rodriguez showed up. If Speight spends two years with the ability to train with the lines and RBs we had between Bo dropping the option sytem and 2007, Speight would be remembered as a totally different player.

People on this board act like Speight was Ryan Mallett completing 59 yards a game while playing behind Long-Boren-Kraus-Mitchell-Schilling on the line, the school record holder for rushing, Manninham, Arrington and Hemingway.

DrMantisToboggan

March 9th, 2018 at 9:04 AM ^

This is a dumb critique of Pep and the OL comment is plainly incorrect. Alabama's OL was 92nd in Adjusted Sack Rate, 102nd in Standard Down Sack Rate, and 107th in Passing Down Sack Rate this year. Georgia's was 68th, 113th, and 55th in those respective categories. Georgia's OL was the better unit of the two and they were, at best, middling.

Chalky White

March 9th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^

I don't know. You tell me. You made The correlation. The next time I post a list, I'll make sure to use bullet points instead of commas. Good thing I didn't include the weather in the list. That would have been Hamilton's fault too according to this board.

Blue_by_U

March 9th, 2018 at 7:31 AM ^

this is big time college football. Being the most known quantity which stands for mediocre performance and lackluster results against solid opponents...I know what he can, and more importantly cannot do. At some point, with the level of talent 'developing' behind him, you have to prepare for the future. This cycle of grad transfers is hindering player development, and speaking very personally...if I am a 4-5* hot shot qb in high school, and being recruited by UM and any other top teir program...I'm going somewhere else because what I see is, I come to UM, I sit the bench, possibly redshirt, and once I am 'ready'...I take a back seat to another grad transfer. Yeah no thanks. I'm the best qb there is, I will go to another school who knows it. That's the mindset we are up against. 

At some point, Shea Patterson could fill a void...maybe...but if he's not immediately eligible, I wouldn't even bother with it. Time to develop Peters or Mcaffery or one of the other underclass sensations. You want a solid veteran...need to create a solid veteran. And if lackluster line play is part of feeding young QBs to the wolves...then fix the damn OLINE problems with a great OLINE coach...

Blue_by_U

March 9th, 2018 at 7:31 AM ^

this is big time college football. Being the most known quantity which stands for mediocre performance and lackluster results against solid opponents...I know what he can, and more importantly cannot do. At some point, with the level of talent 'developing' behind him, you have to prepare for the future. This cycle of grad transfers is hindering player development, and speaking very personally...if I am a 4-5* hot shot qb in high school, and being recruited by UM and any other top teir program...I'm going somewhere else because what I see is, I come to UM, I sit the bench, possibly redshirt, and once I am 'ready'...I take a back seat to another grad transfer. Yeah no thanks. I'm the best qb there is, I will go to another school who knows it. That's the mindset we are up against. 

At some point, Shea Patterson could fill a void...maybe...but if he's not immediately eligible, I wouldn't even bother with it. Time to develop Peters or Mcaffery or one of the other underclass sensations. You want a solid veteran...need to create a solid veteran. And if lackluster line play is part of feeding young QBs to the wolves...then fix the damn OLINE problems with a great OLINE coach...

Perkis-Size Me

March 9th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^

Honestly, its part of the reason that he's a known quantity that I'd be ready to move in another direction with finding a starter. We know what we're going to get: a man who can play like a star against the Marylands, Illinois's, and Rugters' of the world, but when the chips are down against OSU, his game becomes extremely limited, and while he won't be the sole reason you lose, he won't do much to help you win those games either. 

Not that I wouldn't take him back. Having an experienced 5th year senior would be extremely valuable if Patterson/Peters/McCaffery were to go down. But we know what we're getting with Speight. And what we get is not good enough to beat OSU. 

bronxblue

March 9th, 2018 at 11:27 AM ^

See, I think he was more than good enough to beat OSU.  He sure as shit would have been good enough this year.  The fact the team could barely break 2 ypc was far worse on offense than anything Speight did.  And, hell, the defense couldn't stop Barrett from running at all in the 2nd half of that 2016 game.

He was also the only competent part of the offense far decent stretches against FSU.

I agree we have a ceiling with him, but I have no confidence that Patterson, Peters, McCaffrey, etc. are anywhere close to that ceiling right now.  And I guess I'm just on the "Shea Patterson is a fine QB" train, because everyone expecting him to come in and be a star must have watched a different player than the guy I saw struggle to move the ball when it mattered against Auburn, Alabama, and LSU.

ST3

March 9th, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^

     He was good enough to beat OSU, if only he and his center had executed the snap down by the goalline instead of fumbling. That's something they were able to do properly EVERY SINGLE OTHER TIME that season. One freaking fumbled snap all season and it had to occur inside the redzone at OSU. I know folks are going to respond that you have to give yourself some margin so you can overcome the errors that college kids make, but come on, when you are playing a top 10 team on the road, your margin for error gets really slim. Having a once in ~750 event happen is just plain bad luck. It doesn't mean Speight is a bad QB or can't beat OSU. He can. But he is part of a team and the whole team needs to perform, like maybe tackling a guy behind the LOS on 3rd and 11 in OT, instead of letting him almost get to the first down line setting up a very makeable (but he was short) 4th and 1.

    (And my personal favorite example - if we field the kickoff to open the 2nd half against Iowa, we win that game, too.)

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 6:46 PM ^

Just to add onto that “he was short comment,” it would be lovely if the officials called any one of the four missed holds on that 3rd and 11 run. Just one. Please? No? Yeah, didn’t think so.

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 6:50 PM ^

Yes. Would have been good enough. Michigan held a 14-0 lead and lost by 11 with John O’freaking Korn. Speight would have been good enough to win that game. O’Korn is God awful. Speight isn’t the greatest QB in the world, but he’s A LOT better than O’Korn. Speight gives Michigan a very good shot to win that game.

MinWhisky

March 9th, 2018 at 11:11 AM ^

At this point, I don't see the ROI.  I'd rather see our 3 current leading candidates for the starting QB job get the time and attention that would otherwise go to Speight.  IMO, Shea Patterson is better than Speight, right now, and will improve with time in the system and with the attention of the coaches.  The other two guys are young and inexperienced.  We need them to develop for the long term.  Bringing in Speight doesn't help that. 

JonnyHintz

March 9th, 2018 at 6:53 PM ^

Brining in Speight gives you an experienced option at QB. A known quantity. And a guy that knows your offense. We all saw what happened last year with a few injuries. Say Patterson gets hurt. You’re banking on he hopes and prayers that Peters is vastly improved and/or McCaffrey is a godsend. I’ll take the known commodity.