m1jjb00

October 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^

Maryland doesn't get much coverage in the DC market.  There was a piece in the Post about rating DC as a sports town.  The talk on the drive-home sports show was a discussion of DC's pro fandom vs. other Eastern cities.  In a comparison to Detroit Czaban mentioned briefly college football there, but that was it.  And that's the point.  College football is far removed from the conscious of the town.  Sure the ABC affiliate dutifully shows whatever lame ACC game is in the rotation, but I'll bet it wishes it could run some infomercial instead.  DC gets you nothing.

Oh, and Pittsburgh is tiny.

VSS

October 25th, 2011 at 2:26 PM ^

Baltimore, Philly, NYC, and Boston aren't big college football towns, either. But, they are so populated, they will still get a decent number of viewers and if you happen to have a big year, who knows. Interestingly enough, from the college standpoint, DC is may be a bigger sports town than the other four due to having crappy pro teams and demographics. It is a pretty fickle pro-sports town depending on success, outside of the Redskins. 

funkywolve

October 25th, 2011 at 11:44 AM ^

Agree WVU doesn't exactly add to many TV's but at this point I think the Big 12 is just trying to stay afloat.  With all the uncertainty about the Big 12 over the last year, I doubt they have to many teams knocking on their door to come to the Big 12.  They kind of have to take what they can get.

WVU's academics are pretty bad but athleticly they aren't bad in either football or basketball.

psychomatt

October 25th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^

This is all wasted energy. There is zero chance Texas is going to stay in this abortion of a conference long-term. And if Texas leaves, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will be hot on their heels. Schools like BYU and Boise know this and that is why they are balking at joining the B12. It's the same reason Navy is balking is joining the Big East. Both of these conferences are "done" as major football leagues within the next five years. Texas needs a few years to get the LHN fully up and running and then they either will go independent or convince one of the P12/ACC/B10/SEC to take them with LHN in tow. If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State don't go to a new conference with Texas, they will end up in the SEC or ACC. At that point, the B12 becomes little more than another MWC or CUSA.

MI Expat NY

October 25th, 2011 at 1:39 PM ^

Aren't they really already independent?  I mean, what's really the difference between being independent and having a conference that you pretty much control?  Texas doesn't have the same incentives for going independent as ND does.  ND is all about playing a "national" schedule and playing in front of their fan bases all across the country.  Texas doesn't have the same concerns.  Sure they have alumni/fans everywhere, but their base is centrally located.  The only reason to go independent is to make more money.  If they can make lots of money through LHN without having to give up the comforts of a conference, why would they do anything differently?

I also think that you have it backward.  The stronger LHN gets, the less likely they are to move to another conference.  Nobody wants to deal with Texas and the LHN now, what incentive to people have to deal with them if the LHN is stronger making Texas stronger and more stubborn?  

Texas is in this conference until someone else kills it.

psychomatt

October 25th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^

If Texas stays in the new B12, it's schedule will consist of the following nine games every year (or something equally bad if the conference grows to 12-16 teams): Baylor Texas Tech Oklahoma (neutral site) Oklahoma State Kansas Kansas State Iowa State West Virginia Louisville Who will want to buy season tickets to a home-game schedule based on this? Likewise, how many viewers will tune in to watch these games on TV? It also could hurt Texas and Oklahoma in recruiting, at least on the margin. With A&M in the SEC, Texas kids already are going to be slightly more inclined to consider the Aggies or an SEC school. And most elite prospects are not going to be all that excited about playing the above schedule every year. I simply find it very hard to believe that Texas will consider this an acceptable outcome for its football program. They would be better off going independent for football and throwing their non-football sports into the Big East or CUSA.

MI Expat NY

October 25th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^

First, take out Louisville and add TCU.  

Second, they've basically traded Texas A&M, two of Missouri/Nebraska/Colorado for TCU, WVU, and whoever they would have been missing from Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St.  Some years that could be worse than where they were at two years ago, other years it could be fine or even better.  Texas can and will still schedule a real OOC game.  Seems like a fine schedule to me.  

If they eventually go to 12,  Texas will be looking at practically the same intra-division match-ups and slightly weaker inter-division opponents.  I don't see the big deal.  And if they go back down to 8 conference games, and are really worried about schedule strength, they could try and schedule two real OOC opponents per year.

I think it's tougher than you imply to fill an independent schedule.  How many big schools schedule a real OOC opponent anymore?  How many would want to line up Texas on a regular basis?  They could probably get A&M and Oklahoma on a yearly basis, and maybe Notre Dame fairly regularly.  But then you're scrambling to fill up the rest of your schedule.  Notre Dame even has to enter a scheduling agreement (with the Big East) to get to a reasonable schedule, and they have 6 or 7 built in "rivalry" games.  I think Texas would struggle to do any better than their current scheduling opportunities as an independent.  

psychomatt

October 25th, 2011 at 5:52 PM ^

Sorry, you are right. I forgot TCU, so go ahead and swap them out for Louisville. Of course, with TCU in the fold, four of the ten schools in the new B12 will be from the State of Texas and eight will be from the three states of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. The conference will have a footprint with a population half the size (or less) of the SEC, ACC, B10 and P12 (and 75% of that population will be located in a single state). Whatever financial benefit Texas is getting from LHN, it will be significantly offset by a drop in revenues under the B12's TV deals as they come up for renewal. Also, to be fair, Texas has consistently resisted adding TCU to the B12 for years. It's a mistake to think that Texas suddenly perceives the addition of TCU to be a net positive. Rather, Texas didn't try to block the addition of TCU this time around because the conference is desperate - it needs to remain at a minimum of ten teams or its TV deal with FOX becomes null and void. The addition of WVU falls into the same category - it is a desperate move to keep the conference at ten teams following the expected departure of Missouri. IMO, Texas is making some relatively minor concessions in the near term to keep the B12 together long enough for Texas to get LHN fully up and running and established in a sufficient number of homes. As soon as Texas is ready, it will waive bye-bye to the B12 just like Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missouri have done (and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State desperately tried to do). It will either cut a deal to join another AQ conference with LHN in tow or go independent for football like ND (leaving its other sports in the B12 or finding a home for them in another conference).

His Dudeness

October 25th, 2011 at 11:40 AM ^

Their piss-fuckery of an offense will never work in the Big XII Conference.

Too many midgets racing around with misdirections and hamshammery for my liking. I say! Gimmickery and trickery will get you no where, fine sirs.

Good day!

 

CRex

October 25th, 2011 at 11:40 AM ^

Well WVU had to do something, but they better pray that realignment stops at 5 conferences.  The Big East is clearly dead and it looks like the B12 is the new zombie conference with a weird geographic footprint that is lurching forward.  

We're pretty much at the point where only UT, OU, and ND are the football powers that lack a home in one of the 4 stable conferences.  A little more movement and two sixteen and two fourteen team conferences could split off from the rest of NCAA D1.

wolverine1987

October 25th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^

as a major conference just ceased to exist. It will be an absolute crime if they retain an auto BCS bid. I would take the Mountain West any day now in terms of talent over the Big East. Beetter yet, keep 5 conferences with auto bids and let the highest ranked school of the rest (currently Boise) get an auto-bid.

umjgheitma

October 25th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^

I like this move a lot. West Virginia just got a pretty decent schedule and Texas/OU got a little more competition compared to what Mizzou usually brought in year to year. Was thinking about if WVU loses a rivalry game but isn't their only rival Marshall?

BlueVoix

October 25th, 2011 at 11:53 AM ^

I'm not sure West Virginia fans are going to enjoy playing a pretty decent schedule.  They have gotten a little too used to winning eight or nine games a year.  On the flipside, they can start truly cupcaking out their schedule like (most of) the rest of the Big 12 does.

turtleboy

October 25th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^

sometimes it's just more. TCU, Utah, Boise, BYU, Air Force.... any one of those schools would've made more sense for the Big12. Even another Big East school like Cincy would''ve been a better geographic fit and a bigger market/recruiting territory to open up. 

BlueinLansing

October 25th, 2011 at 11:58 AM ^

Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and UConn with Oklahoma, Texas and Oklahoma State.  To say nothing of TCU/Baylor/Kansas State.

 

Me thinks we'll be finding out just how terrible the Big East really is when a moderately succesfull Big East school gets  pounded in their first year in the Big 12.

neoavatara

October 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^

the Big East is dead as a doornail if this happens.

WVU sure has fallen though...at the beginning of the year, they were the front funner to join the SEC.  

And I am still unconvinced that long run the Big 12 survives either.  Going from one sinking ship to another.