Some Perspective on a Few Things

Submitted by Space Coyote on

Long post, don't really feel like making it a diary though because it's general high-level things, not a statistical breakdown or schematic breakdown with pretty pictures.

I usually don’t post on the weekends or even as much lately, and I have my reasons for that, but I figured Brian trying to take another swipe at me and mock me on twitter because of a thread of tweets I made at halftime yesterday made it worthy in this instance, so here’s some of my thoughts on appropriate perspective for these players, this team, and this program going forward.

1.      Peters played well, but keep his performance in perspective

This got some support and some major pushback on the twitter. I get people are excited for his performance. I get that it’s a confirmation of many people’s assertion that it was time to give him a shot. I actually agree that it was time to give him a shot (mostly because I think you want to know a little bit about what you have going into next year, and you aren’t taking poorly playing JOK into next year, a perspective a lot of folks have had). And at least until Speight comes back (which I don’t expect to be this year, regardless of the timeline that’s been thrown out there, if only because it’s not worth the re-injury risk and it’s hard to believe he would trust everything so quickly after getting hurt), Peters will be and should be the starter.

But it was a single game against Rutgers. Now Rutgers pass defense is actually decent this year, especially considering how bad they are at rushing the QB. Their run defense… not so much. But also keep in mind that Rutgers didn’t have really any film on Peters. Is that to say that the offense drastically changes their scheme from JOK to Peters? Absolutely not, the basic tenets of the offense remain. However, there are certainly things Peters does better and things he does worse than JOK. There are certain things the coaches will lean on in certain situations that differ from the two QBs, based on their performance in practice. These tendencies aren’t on film. These strengths and weaknesses also aren’t on film for Peters, and as more of them to get shown on film, expect defenses to adjust their approach based on what they learn. In the meantime, many DCs change their approach because of that uncertainty. They either think “backup QB: ATTACK”, or “I didn’t scout this guy let’s just play our base because it’s what we do best”. This isn’t to say that switching to the backup or unscouted guy will is the correct decision for teams, sometimes the backup is the worse option, it’s just stating that things will get harder for Peters.

I think some people really question this idea. So to give some perspective I’ll talk about the difference from Speight to JOK. When I watch film on Speight, I see a guy that can read leverage and anticipate guys breaking open vs man coverage and get the ball out on time. What I also see is a guy that can hesitate if he doesn’t diagnose the coverage immediately and I see a guy that generally gets sped up, particularly with interior pressures. So I would run more zone concepts vs him with strategically timed 5 and 6 man pressures. Against JOK I would not do that. I see a guy that locks in on his first option but when that guy is open due to scheme, he can hit them. But I see a guy that hesitates to throw a guy until he is open, and I see a guy that perceives pressure based on threat alone. So I would play tight man coverage because that limits just how open guys will get. I would also never blitz more than 5 defenders, I’d keep a rat in the hole to defend his legs and take away short/intermediate crossers, and watch him bug out whether pressure got home or not. The schemes are mostly the same for Michigan from a high level, but how I defend them changes. The same can likely be said for Peters, who saw a lot of man coverage early and killed it and then almost threw a pick 6 against a zone coverage that he failed to read (and his receiver did). In general, Peters also mostly got away with hitting his first read; on the plus side his timing of getting the ball out looked better than JOK's did, which is a good sign.

As a backup, there is some freedom. There are lower expectations, so you don’t really have to be nervous, you’re the backup after all. Well now Peters has got the pressure of being the starter. Now he has the focus of the scouting report. I’m glad people are excited for him. But please don’t go anointing him the savior yet like this fan base has done to so many players before. That’s only additional pressure on him. And then don’t turn on him once he doesn’t meet your expectations, once he struggles and perhaps even looks like JOK did a few times. Don’t turn on him and trash him and trash the program and say “we’re screwed unless McCaffrey is awesome” that this fan base seems to love to do. Let him grow, let him learn, let him hit those bumps and keep supporting him. Those bumps will come, things are going to get harder.

Remember how JOK looked better than Speight for all of part of a game and people got high and mighty about how now the offense was fixed because JOK was great. Who still thinks the offense was better off in any other game besides Purdue with JOK than Michigan would have been with Speight? And now people are acting like JOK is a bad person because of it (and before people say, "only a few idiots are doing that".... look around this blog from last week). Again, I’m not saying turning to Peters is the wrong decision, I don’t think it is. But also understand the coaches do have more perspective and there likely are reasons why it took this long.

This is the perspective I was asking for in the thread of tweets that got called out by some, including Brian. I’ll be interested to see how Brian plays the “perspective” card after throwing shade out on Saturday.

2.      The Offensive Line is Improving, and Will Continue To

The OL is doing much better run blocking. Their technique is improving, they are ID’ing guys better, and now they are moving people because they are more confident in what they are doing and how they need to do it. The TEs are still mostly young and a bit undersized, but their overall technique is night and day from where it was vs UF, where they were a huge weaknesses. Their improvement may be the biggest reason the run game is clicking now. It’s still far from perfect, but it keeps on improving.

It’s hard to take much in pass pro from Rutgers, because they aren’t good at pressuring the QB. But neither were some of the earlier teams Michigan faced, so there is that. Pass pro is really a part where all guys need to be on the same page, and at least it generally looks like that part is getting better. Far fewer free pressures, even when their technique is off or they are late to their assignment. That at least allows a QB to get to his first read or bail out, rather than just eating sacks or throw aways.

I’ve also seen a tone of complaining about recruiting of OTs. Yeah, Michigan lost out on a few high-profile OT recruits the past couple years. That sucks. They also recruited 4 potential OTs in the last class that are currently redshirting. They have two more in the upcoming class. If you are hand-wringing because the stars aren’t good enough for you, while I agree that stars are a good general gauge, there is no worse position to rely on stars than OL. I’ve also seen a lot of people question why Bredeson hasn’t gotten run at RT. 1) He’s still a true sophomore, almost certainly the vast, vast majority of his snaps both during spring and fall were at OG, because they were trying to get him where he needed to be for this season at the position he was likely to play rather than asking him to split between multiple positions and making him a bad option for both; 2) I’ve never actually seen him take a snap on the right side of the line… I’m sure he has, and you’d expect most guys to be comfortable on either side, but some guys simply aren’t comfortable with the footwork. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if going into his JR year (or even as early as bowl practice) he started getting increased reps at LT (still don’t think that’s his best option, but it may be Michigan’s best option).

3.      People Complaining About Safeties Matched up in Coverage in the Slot

Yeah, sometimes it sucks. It’s also a part you have to live with at times as a defense, as a general scheme. People complained again about Kinnell (Michigan’s best coverage safety) getting matched up in the slot on Rutgers’s best WR. It happens. You can ask him to match up on the outside and move a CB inside, and now you’ve mitigated one threat and introduced new weaknesses. Every scheme has its strengths and weaknesses. Generally Kinnell is good at man coverage for a safety, and some of those throws were actually covered quite well (to the point that who was in coverage may not have made a significant difference while still introducing new weaknesses into the defense). Sometimes you get got. Sometimes there are better options but you’re trying to cover for all the things an offense is trying to do without knowing what they are going to try to do before the snap. That sometimes means safeties on WRs. If you love Brown’s pressure schemes, which most seem to, they quite complaining when it sometimes comes back to bite him. That’s the trade off, Michigan is going to have to deal with it or change their philosophy.

4.      Bush is Starting to Get Attacked a Bit

Dude has great instincts. McCray generally has alright instincts, limited athleticism, but is generally smart in his run fits. I’m starting to see “can’t wait for this next group of LBs to get a chance”. Look, Bush is still young. The guy trusts his instincts 100%, which makes him a missile and often leads to great plays. It often takes him out of plays, particularly when he has man coverage responsibilities on a RB. He’s been picked on multiple times now for leaving the RB because his instincts tell him the threat is elsewhere. You don’t want him slowing down and you don’t want to take away what he does so well, but sometimes there is a reason for a guy more like McCray, sometimes you need guys to play with a little more head than gut. Still a young guy that will continue to improve, but he’s been attacked a bit the last couple weeks. He’s on film now, again, don’t start trashing him because he’s getting picked on, he’s learning to play within himself.

5.      In general, things aren’t as good or as bad as they seem

I know it’s the internet, where people go to freak out. I get using the internet to vent emotions in both ways. And frankly, it’s great to be able to be extremely excited and extremely angry, and if there is a place to do that, generally “about football” is better than other, more important aspects of life. But we just spent most of the last week basically hand-wringing if this team would make a bowl game, and saying the future was bad and people were tired of “next year”. Yes, this year has been generally not great. It’s also exasperated by people putting unfair expectations on this team and then the team not meeting their expectations.

6.      I’m Sure I’ll get Called Some Sort of Derogatory Internet Name for this Post, and That's Fine.

“Sea Lion” or “Concern Trolling” or something like that. Fine, use the internet to cover for the fact that I generally believe that acting civil in discourse and disagreement is generally a better approach than acting like a douche and acting out with those types of terms generally just demonstrates your inability to act civil, even on the internet. I don’t mind people disagreeing with my opinion. It happens. Sometimes other people are right, sometimes I am. And these are opinions after all, with varying degrees of insight into the varying aspects of the topic. And before Brian goes full “quit talking about me and acting like you’re not talking about me”… again; no, I’m pretty much talking about Brian, but probably some others as well. Him sarcastically attempting to give me personality advice from one of the last people I’d take personality advice from is rich. So here I am, on his blog, writing this, because he gets upset when I’m civil about the fact that after basically 7 years of Power O being a core part of the Michigan playbook, somehow he still doesn’t know the general rules about Power O and I think it’s worthwhile to bring those things up. Or that he still struggles to separate generally basic schemes like Power O, Counter OF, and Counter Trey (let alone more subtle changes, like Dart). That’s fine, as he’s said before, (paraphrasing) “he’s just going off of his general grasp of what he knows and what anyone could possibly know”, except he’s not, the internet just happens to be littered with information that could help him learn these schemes, and at one point under Rich Rod he was excited and energetic about actually learning those things. But “manball”, ya know. Usually I don't take those types of shots at people, there's nothing inherently wrong with not knowing those differences about a game, after all. But when he repeatedly attacks me because he feels high and mighty, then alright, maybe it's worth pointing out.

Anyway, keep that in mind when people on the internet call you “internet names” or generally act like ass holes on the internet. And if this response is worse than acting civil, that wasn't made clear by the actions and comments of the owner of this blog; so I guess I figured this was the preferred approach.

Happy Sunday everyone.

Erik_in_Dayton

October 29th, 2017 at 10:00 PM ^

It would be great for you and Brian to get along, because you (SC) bring so much to the table. But I won't hold my breath. It is in any event nice to see you posting again. Less importantly, what the hell is a sea lion? And is the internet making us dumber, or does it just seem like it?

Squash34

October 29th, 2017 at 11:02 PM ^

As far as the comment about the offense doing well verse Rutgers, as of the 10/21 update of s&p+ they were ranked 33rd overall, and 44th and 51st in run and pass defense respectively. So, I disagree with the idea that the rushing success should be more downplayed or taken with a grain of salt because it's Rutgers. After all, that was about 50 yards rushing more than they have given up in any other games this year. For your second point, I just don't see Bredeson as a good fit at tackle. Nothing concrete here for this feeling. Just think he would have problems in space verse edge guys. For the 3rd part, I agree, the safeties have been pretty good in man coverage. Mcsorley put a few 50/50 ball in spots that only his guts could catch and beat tight coverage a bunch. on the 2nd scoring drive last week, the Rutgers kid made 2 NFL level plays. The first to the te when furbush had ok coverage but Gary was about to crush him, making the throw very difficult. The second he dropped on over the shoulder of the slot when Kinnel was in his hip pocket. Sometime a QB just makes a crazy good throw and you just have to tip your cap and say nice play.

Space Coyote

October 30th, 2017 at 8:14 AM ^

But watching them on film, they really seemed to struggle against the heavier personnel. Not sure if they are built for that.

That said, we are in agreement on the direction of the run blocking (it's improving and had a good game). Thought Michigan did really well for the most part run blocking, and pass pro wasn't a big issue where it had been against similar caliber pass rushes previously.

Carcajou

October 30th, 2017 at 12:52 AM ^


"1. Peters played well, but keep his performance in perspective"
I strongly agree. He played well. Not great. Well. In a limited package that he's probably been working on for week and knows well.

Not well enough to beat Wisconsin or Ohio State. It was a nice start, and he had a lot of support from teammates, coaches, fans. Let us hope he continues to develop.

After he has been scouted, and has to take on a whole game plan, things might be a little more uphill. His upside is bright, but he still has a lot of things to work on, and we still haven't seen enough (deep throws? adjustments to surprise blitzes and coverages?) to be sure. Let's hope folks don't turn on him when there is the occaisional downturn.

If Peters does continue to start, that does not necessarily mean that we have seen the last of John O'Korn or Wilton Speight. I hope they all continue to improve.

"2. The Offensive Line is Improving, and Will Continue To"
It has taken a while for most around here to notice, but this is one of the most important developments, no matter who is QB. No doubt many of O'Korn's and Speight's problems- practically and psychologically- were due to the fact that earlier this  season, it's been extraordinarily difficult for them to trust their protection or their receivers, to give them the help they need.


"3. People Complaining About Safeties Matched up in Coverage in the Slot"
It would be so much easier to play defense if only we were allowed to play with 14 on the field at a time.


"4. Bush getting attacked.
I recall plays versus PSU where the back didn't even step- he just LEANED opposite the playside, and Bush tooked several steps downhill and took himself out of the play.

More generally, Dan Brown's "solve your problems with agression" is being used against Michigan sometimes. Plays busting backside for huge yardage punishing the D's overagression is another trend that I think we should expect OSU and others to exploit coming up.

"5.In general, things aren’t as good or as bad as they seem.
I know it’s the internet, where people go to freak out."
Oh yes.

Year of Revenge II

October 30th, 2017 at 5:50 AM ^

Good to see Al Borges posting again!

While it definitely should have been a diary, I thought the post was generally well written. An added bonus was the display of stubborness vis-a-vis BC that was reminiscent of your defense of Borges's 27-27 playcalling vs PSU.  Never change, Borges!

I clicked to get some perspective on a few things (which things they were I had no clue), and I was pleasantly surprised to discover the Coyote.

Space Coyote

October 30th, 2017 at 7:07 AM ^

And I’ve taken my shots and now I’m done with point 6 anyway. I expect Brian will want the last word. I made an asshole comment so one in return is warranted enough. If after that he wants to drop the pot shots in my direction then I’ll keep it the same. I know where he stands with respects to me being critical of certain things, so I can avoid those things when commenting. That’s fine. His blog, his rules. And I really don’t have the energy for an internet battle, so I’m fine not making it a battle of attrition which I’d probably lose. But I was tired of the little shots at me, other methods apparently weren’t sufficient in stopping those. I said my part and enough of what I wanted to say and am willing to leave it at that or with whatever final upcoming final word is, as long is at can stay the final word.

FlexUM

October 30th, 2017 at 7:55 AM ^

I agree overaell nice perspective on things. As far as Peters I think much of the excitement is that we all feel good about a bright future even if the immediate has "newbie mistakes". When Ruddock was here that was awesome...but we knew he was gone. It's nice to think this is "the man" longterm when looking at BP especially look at the raw talent he appears to have. 

In the immediate it's nice to see a guy who is decisive and appears to have the ability to do basic reads and check down and make a quick decision. Absolutely...he is going to make some mistakes. There will be some INT's, some issues...no doubt. But I'm excited for sure. 

The o-line was also very encouraging. Rutgers is no world beater but they have at least an "ok" d line I'd say and I was astonished how well the o-line did. Again, they weren't playing the ravens defense here but I thought it was a huge step forward. 

jgoblue11

October 30th, 2017 at 11:08 AM ^

My View on Brandon Peters Vs. John O'Korn is this. O'Korn came in and looked good, not great vs Purdue. As we have learned, Purdue is a bad team. Rutgers, yes Rutgers, beat Purdue.  John O'Korn looked better than Speight in the Purdue game, because well, Speight really only played one quarter before going down. Yeah, yeah, Speight looked bad in the first quarter, but, I have seen him play last year, and now that the O-Line looks somewhat cohesive, who knows how Speight would be playing by now. I still think Speight is our best man under center but, whatever, that's a whole other discussion. 

Rutgers: John O'Korn looked absolutley terrible against, yes, Rutgers. He looked lost, uncomfortable, and mis-handled the ball on two occasions. How can this be? It's Rutgers for crying out loud! I am not sure we win that game as comfortably as we did with John under center. Do you?

This is the absolute reason, most of the Michigan fan base is excited about Peters (Since Wilton is Hurt and is not an option right now). He came in, threw the ball well, and allowed us to score touchdowns, even back behind 300 rushing yards. He looked capable. He looked calm. The dude had a goofy smirk on his face the entire game lol.  O'Korn looks lost and confused at most times, and simply can not make the proper check downs. My favorite Peters play was that scramble pass that led to a first down. That was a good thrown ball.  

I am not going bonkers over Peters, and guess what, Ohio State is going to give us hell. Remember MSU with John's first big start?? Guess what Ohio State will do to Peters? That worries me. But, whatever, beat ohio and all that. 

As for the Brian and SC beef, hope you guys figure it out. Space man, love your stuff. Have followed the blog for a while. You always have good reads. 

Thanks.

 

UMgradMSUdad

October 30th, 2017 at 10:35 PM ^

Space Coyote, 

I'm not sure if this even applies, but my dad used to piss me off to no end when I would work diligently at a task, say sweeping out the garage, and after two or three hours of moving things around sweeping, moving things back, sweeping some more, my father would come in and point and say something to the effect of "you missed a spot over there."  He likely even prefaced that statement with "you're doing a really good job but..." except I didn't really hear or remember that part.  All I could think of was "what an asshole."

Of course doing UFRs takes far more skill and time than sweeping out a garage, and in this scenario, Brian is both the sweeper and the owner of the garage. A better analogy would probably be a BBQ where the host is working his ass off to provide a good time for a large group, paying for all the food and beer, grilling, acting as bartender, etc.  People are having a great time, almost everyone is praising the host for a great party.  And then the host's brother-in-law shows up, and, probably with the best of intentions, loudly points out one or two of the hundreds of things the host did that the brother-in-law thinks should have been done differently. It's not a perfect analogy, and I'm sure there are other aspects involved, but it might help explain some of Brian's reaction.