So Now How Are You Going To Act?

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on November 5th, 2014 at 10:22 AM
So an epic post a couple down from this one has a clarification on the usage of the term Muggle from none other than one Vincent Smith (I'm going to assume it's really him). Though people say "players read the blogs" somehow it did not quite seem that way (at least to me) until I read that post and his subsequent comments.

So my question: how are you going to act knowing that classy players like him may be reading every word you write on this board?

The only thing that would blow my mind more would be a post from the coaches. Imagine if GMatt corrected a UFR?



November 5th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^

Despondent, as I have been since the Notre Dame game.  I do think his position was reasonable and definitely made me feel less worse about myself as a fan.  After all, we're all fellow alumns (or will be).


November 5th, 2014 at 10:42 AM ^

"Gave up on the players"

That's some mental gymnastics you've done if that's what you think I am saying.  I simply don't trust the direction of the program, and ND (followed by even worse losses at home to Utah, Minnesota, and on the road to Rutgers) just make me less confident in the direction of the football program.

That game was important to me personally because I grew up a Notre Dame fan, it was the last scheduled meeteing between the teams, and Notre Dame handed us our most lopsided defeat in the rivalry since ever.  Yes, that is when I became despondent.

If you're wondering, I will be making the trip from Detroit to Chicago this weekend to cheer for the players I allegedly gave up on.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^

Coach Moeller used to say, "Character is what you are in the dark" meaning, your true colors are most visible when nobody is around to see how you act.  Unfortunately, keyboard commandos are the norm in the internet age.  As the blog has grown, so has the brigade of virtual "tough guys".  I'm willing to bet not one of those people would have the guts to confront a player face to face.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^

I'm going to act exactly the same way I have been. Support the players as best I can and understand that from their perspective they're frustrated too. Sometimes we all say things that we shouldn't when we're in those types of situations, even to other family members that we care about.


I bleed blue, like so many others here, and I choose to rise above the division/faction creating mindset and realize that no matter what we're all a family and we need to press forward to a brighter future together, regardless of the various frustrations we all might have along the way.


Forever GO BLUE!!


November 5th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^

I'll continue wishing Brady Hoke the best as he looks for a new job, and for our interim or future AD success in hiring a top tier coach. I can't imagine any current player that would consider transferring because Jim Harbaugh was the new coach. As a matter of fact, I imagine the best remaining realistic recruits would jump at the chance to play under him.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^

I will be the same as always: be honest and don't throw players under the bus.  Remember they are out there giving everything they have for the Maize and Blue.  


November 5th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^

Not any different.

Treat people with respect. Yeah I might be dissapointed in them but I don't bash players or say they suck. I wish sometimes they did better but, let's be honest SO DO THEY. No one like under preforming. For whatever the reason might be they haven't lived up to expecations. They're still people and they deserve our respect. No matter how to you take the Muggles thing it doesn't give you a right to bash a student athlete all over the internet. 

Let's also be real not one of you would have the pair to say it to their faces. So if you wouldn't say it in person you probally shouldn't say it on the interwebs. 


November 5th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^

early in my career in the AF, never write anything in an electronic medium that you wouldn't be afraid to say in person or have to be "called to the carpet" for afterwards.  I don't always comment/post with that in mind, but I try most of the time.  Opinions aren't always pretty or popular, but if you can defend it then you have at least a leg to stand on.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:43 AM ^

1.  It's been common knowledge for a while now that Vincent Smith reads the blog and has solicited the readerships' help in the past with some of his charity projects back home.  I think we've also confirmed that Martavious Odoms has been a reader as well.

2.  If you stick to the blog's code of conduct with regards to discussing players, then you really have no reason to worry about whether you're going to offend any player who might be reading the blog.

- Example 1 - "Player X's performance last game was disappointing for Reasons A, B, & C" - Good

- Example 2 - "Player X sucks and I wish we had never recruited him!" - Bad

Stick to that and you'll be fine.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

Won't change anything.  I have pretty much always supported the players and outside of indisputable evidence I always give them the benefit of the doubt and realize they are college students(or HS students if we are talking about recruits).  They put a ton of work into this sport and risk serious injury and I think they deserve all the support we can give them which includes top of the line coaching.

I have no issue being critical of Hoke and Brandon because as Hoke says "This is a big boy job" and they should be able to handle and expect criticism, it's part of the reason they make millions of dollars.

The players deserve better than Hoke/Brandon and it can be hard to see that when you are on the inside.  The majority of fans here want what is best for the program/players and I know a lot of former players aren't happy either.  Would be nice if some of the older former players helped inform the players as to what the fans concerns are because it's not obvious while you are still in school. 


November 5th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^

Anything you write on a public forum like this is going to be read by many different types of people.  And in the case of MGoBlog, many people.

So I would hope that we always post with that in mind.  Post like all those people are in the same room as you and you'll be fine. 


True Blue Grit

November 5th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^

I know that some guys we're recruiting are reading this blog, at least it's a pretty good assumption.  And some of the things I've seen posted here on some kids make me wonder if this is why they eventually go elsewhere.  I've tried to think a lot harder before writing things about recruits now and try to be positive whenever possible and not say something that a high school kid might misconstrue. 


November 5th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

He, and a couple other players (as I'm sure there are plenty other players and recruits in the shadows), have been around on this blog for a while now, and while their main focus has been their charity work, they have occasionally contributed on other topics once in a blue moon.  So, it's been no secret to many on here that our words are being watched by players.  Obviously they are smart individuals and aware of (and have seen) the best and the worst out of Michigan fans.  I don't think anyone here has to change what they say or the feelings towards the program.  

The mods will continue to keep things in order as far as gross disrespect goes, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and even someone like Vince possibly looking over our shoulders at what we write shouldn't affect that, lest the blog becomes untrue to itself.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^

Aside from the player-bashing in the muggle thread, the board has actually been pretty good in the past few weeks. It's certainly a pessimistic part of the world, but it hasn't been particularly nasty.


November 5th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^

It's insulting to the current and former players.

It's bad for recruiting.

It's not true.

The only thing reason people keep it up is because they want a coaching change.


November 5th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

I would like to keep this debate going and would like to change your mind on it. It's going to be hard when I have to use an iPhone to post, but let's start off by saying Hokes first year of seniors to graduate mostly falls on RRs staffs ability to develop talent more than on Hokes staff. Just because RRs staff had more years to develope them. (Not trying to debate the two staffs)
Since I have to get back to work soon and useing scout as a reference for the incoming talent (I know u should use 247 composite index and all that but I don't have all day). Starting with the 2010 guys because they should be redshirt seniors or graduated last year. I have counted out of a total of 27 guys recruited
16 left early (various reasons)
5 guys who lived up to thier star ratings (ie a three star probably isn't going to make NFL or a four star who was pretty good for us while on campus) Black Avery Dileo Jeremy Jackson Paskorz
4 guys who you could argue were under coached
Gardner ( I think he is fighting more injuries than we know and in the past has lived up to his star rating)
Ricardo Miller
Furman ( is now playing in a defense that suits his talents more then Mattisons D)
Marvin Robinson
1 player who has outperformed his star ranking
Jake Ryan
1 kicker

2011 total 20
8 guys who left early (various reasons)
5 or 6 guys who have performed at star level, Bellomy, Countess, Heitzman, Beyer, Hollowell, Hayes
i would count 0 guys underperformed ( you could argue Countess and Hayes, but Countess has started every year he hasn't been hurt, Hayes was practicing at slot last year and this is his first year playing RB and has done a good job at it.
4 guys have outperformed star value
Clark, Taylor, Morgan, Jack Miller ( you could move jack to performing at star level)

Sorry I can't spend more time on this and the formatting but again I'm on an iPhone


November 5th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

You could agrue at least in these two classes that Hokes staff could have gotten a little more out of these players. We should look at a bigger sample size and include 2009 recruits and look ahead at 2012 recruits. But the 2012 recruits are sophomores and I don't think we can judge them yet. The reality is a lot of guys from those two classes which should be the backbone of last years and this years team left. To say they can't develope talent is again flat out wrong.


November 5th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^

Word is that the MSU coaches in the press box were saying that player development at Michigan is lacking to some reporters when explaining their easy win.

I can't say whether this is in fact true. Obviously, they have their biases. But it's something that has been said over and over in the press, not just on blogs.


November 5th, 2014 at 11:47 AM ^

I have always assumed players, former players, etc. follow and probably comment on this site. Some of the opinions are so slanted towards coach Hoke that only a player or someone who lobbied for him would take that stand.

Props to VS for his comments.


November 5th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^

The word FAN comes from the word Fanatics so we are a bunch of obsess people for michigan sports..players, coaches, recruits should know that we are just sick people that need some help :)


November 5th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

I think it's great that former players read this but why would that make anybody not share their opinions or tone them down? It's a blog made up of Michigan fans. Any player,family member or coach who comes on here thinking nothing bad is gonna be said would have to be insane. Former players are appreciated and it's awesome when they chime in and give their opinions. But it doesn't mean their thoughts are always correct. Marcus Ray today on the Radio said he would take Butch Jones over Jim Harbaugh? That alone shows that either Marcus has been taking advantage of the weed laws here in Michigan or he's gone off the deep end.


November 5th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

Jamie Morris also brought up Teryl Austin as a possible candidate. It feels like some people are still against Harbaugh coming here. Let's hope Hackett or the new AD are strong enough to not listen to them. Taking the advice of former Carr players is how we ended up with Hoke.