Snowflakes Thread.

Submitted by Mr. Yost on March 10th, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Have at it.

I'm sick. Won't be posting for good while.

Fuck this shit. Make a free throw.

Comments

TheGhostofYost

March 10th, 2013 at 10:36 PM ^

We couldn't stop their big man, we couldn't rebound, we couldn't make clutch free throws, we couldn't make layups, and our big men couldn't stop fouling.  Please, explain what you think "tough" means, because nothing I saw demonstrated toughness.  Talent, yes.  Toughness, hell no.

swalburn

March 10th, 2013 at 6:50 PM ^

Yep that was choke job.  We got crushed on the boards and if we make free throws we still would have won.  We played with a lot of intensity today which I thought was missing the previous 10 games or so.  I'm pissed and I wish I could solve the rebounding problem but I still feel good about the effort.

It is going to be a while before I can forget about the last minute of that game though.

jonvalk

March 10th, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^

I'm pretty sure half the board would commit mesageboard suicide if they lived through the back-to-back NC losses with the Fab Five.  It was a great game, we got screwed by a no-call, but in the end you have to make your damn free throws.  It's not glamorous, but this team is most likely by far Beilein's worst FT% team in years.

M-Wolverine

March 10th, 2013 at 6:54 PM ^

Don't matter anymore were full of shit. Cost us a title and instead we're the 5th place team. Disappointing season so far because we're not the 5th most talented team. But they have a week and a half to get on track because they can save or tank their season in the Tournment. Sadly the two teams playing today, PSU and Wisconsin took any chance of a little B1G Tourney redemption away with the extra game and rotten seeding. But that doesn't matter. They have to win games in the Big Dance. At least three. Hopefully if anything comes from this it'll show we need to recruit more big men and end this small forward playing the front court silliness.

And even with all that it all doesn't matter if the refs had the balls to call a flagrant foul.

wolverineswag

March 10th, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^

I am fully prepared for the downvote into Bolivia, but here goes. We choked, plain and simple. The game was ours, and we let them have it. They didn't take it, we gave it.

Soulfire21

March 10th, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^

After every loss, I revisit the 1989 team, the one that got blown out by Illinois twice and lost to Division 3 Alaska-Anchorage.  They won it all, so, I say then - why not us?  We've got issues, but we've seen a tumultuous season, lots of teams have issues.

I'm looking forward to seeing Michigan match up with some non-Big Ten teams.

dutchman

March 10th, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^

Surprised that UM didn't go with two bigs on Indiana's last possession.  It was clear that Indiana was going inside and UM, like the rest of the game, had no answer for it.

ianscott1982

March 10th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^

Up by 5 with a minute to go. If you can't win then, you're not a good team.

Well, at least meaningful college basketball is over. I know march madness is coming, but that's just a fun exhibition.

corundum

March 10th, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^

One last thing: Why can't we aggressively try to get the ball to Stauskas on the inbounds play when the game is do or die at the stripe? I know Burke is Clutch McNasty most of the time, but it's hard to argue when you compare Burke's 79% FT rate with Stauskas' 85% FT rate.

Slamdo

March 10th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

This one hurt. It has been a brutal Big Ten season and a win here would have taken away much of the heartache of previous losses. In the end, we lost to a better team. Hard to swallow because we could have been the better team with a few free throws at the end or a few more rebounds. I tip my hat to these kids for an incredible effort over the course of the season. Remember 1) they are still kids, and 2) 1989 Big Ten season was also very much a heartbreak but ended well.

Slamdo

March 10th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

This one hurt. It has been a brutal Big Ten season and a win here would have taken away much of the heartache of previous losses. In the end, we lost to a better team. Hard to swallow because we could have been the better team with a few free throws at the end or a few more rebounds. I tip my hat to these kids for an incredible effort over the course of the season. Remember 1) they are still kids, and 2) 1989 Big Ten season was also very much a heartbreak but ended well.

LS And Play

March 10th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

I just got back from the game. Aside from the fact that we choked it away, did I miss a rule change that orders a foul on Michigan every time Cody Zeller goes into the post? 

bo_lives

March 10th, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^

with all the calls against our big men guarding zeller. i mean honestly this was ridiculous, get some consistency ffs. w/o all the touch calls we're up by 10 instead of 5 at the end there, though i guess that still wouldn't have guaranteed a victory...

SDCran

March 10th, 2013 at 7:54 PM ^

Not blaming the game, but when Zeller drives he always takes his first step with his pivot foot. It is on the floor before he even thinks about dribbling. Some guys get called for that every time, others seem to get away with it. When it happens in slow motion, I get it. But when it is all one motion, it should be a travel.

Slamdo

March 10th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

This one hurt. It has been a brutal Big Ten season and a win here would have taken away much of the heartache of previous losses. In the end, we lost to a better team. Hard to swallow because we could have been the better team with a few free throws at the end or a few more rebounds. I tip my hat to these kids for an incredible effort over the course of the season. Remember 1) they are still kids, and 2) 1989 Big Ten season was also very much a heartbreak but ended well.

tylawyer

March 10th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

That hurt.  Can anyone remember the last game that we WON or tied a game on a buzzer-beater?  There and Evan effing Turner, Backboard Ahmadenijad, and Brust this year.  We've had some late heroics, but I can't remember the last true buzzer-beater.  Anyone?

TheGhostofYost

March 10th, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^

Over the last 5-10 years, Michigan football and basketball have pretty much continually blown it in late game situations.  It's been very frustrating to watch.  This year alone we have ND, South Carolina, and Ohio State in football, and Wisconsin, PSU, and now Indiana is basketball.  You'd think we be due soon, but the punches just keep coming.

MGoRossGrad

March 10th, 2013 at 7:20 PM ^

Wait, are you serious?

Last year football:  Under the Lights vs. Notre Dame, Ohio State, Virginia Tech.  Late game clinchers.

This year football:  Northwestern, Michigan State.  Late game clinchers.

Last year basketball:  Michigan State, Ohio State, all of our freaking overtime wins against Northwestern (x2) and Minnesota.  Late game clinchers.

This year basketball:  Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue.  Late game clinchers.

Remember the good with the bad.

TheGhostofYost

March 10th, 2013 at 10:55 PM ^

Let's evaluate this a little more carefully:

1.  Notre Dame UTL - Clutch performance against a team that ended up losing 5 games. Amazing!

2. OSU football - Now are you referring to the first penalty that negated a touchdown, or the second one that put the non-game-winning FG back to 40 yards?  Or perhaps you are referring to the late blown coverage that left Posey wide open down the sideline and almost cost us the game?  But no, you're absolutely right. Beating a 6-loss team on a play not in the last 3 minutes was huge. 

3. MSU football - Beating a 6-loss team on a last-second FG after not scoring a TD. Awesome.  

4. Va Tech - Blown call negates a TD on their end, kicker misses a FG.  Gibbons hits a routine FG for the win. Not exactly a miraculous last-second comeback.

5.  Northwestern, Minnesota, and Purdue - No comment here is really needed.  You just cited victories over Northwestern, Minnesota, and Purdue.

6.  This year OSU, MSU, and Purdue basketball - Are you referring to the two missed free throws by McGary that kept MSU in the game?  The miss FT from Hardaway that kept OSU alive?  The pass that Purdue fumbled away right to Burke?

Face it, most of your examples are either against shitty teams, teams that handed us the game on a silver platter (like Va Tech), or teams that we beat in spite or huge mistakes in the final minutes.  Tell me, when is the last time Michigan has performed really well down the stretch against an excellent opponent?  It just doesn't happen.  Basketball has lost the last 12 against top 5 teams.  Football hasn't won a big game against an elite team in about a decade.  Michigan teams keep shitting the bed against quality opponents, and it's getting old.  Quit blowing sunshine.

jwfsouthpaw

March 11th, 2013 at 12:43 AM ^

Your negative Nancy shtick is truly getting old.  Kindly refer to your previous post and point out, oh where, it refers only to last-minute victories against GOOD teams. It's not even a defensible retort really, since you're the one who brought up this year's PSU basketball game, and I highly doubt you would tout them as a "quality" team.  Viva revisionist arguments, I guess.

buddhafrog

March 10th, 2013 at 7:24 PM ^

I know - it's been *crazy* !!!

In the last couple years football we've lost the UTL game when ND scored with 30 seconds left - that SUCKED!.  MSU home game after we didn't even score a TD?  BCS game on a missed last-second FG.  Can't believe the way NW intercepted our last second pass.

Basketball with Craft hitting two FTs to win the game in AA.  Trey Burke stealing the ball but missing that dunk last week against MSU.

I hate to lose these last second games - blown chances.  We suck.

Slamdo

March 10th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^

This one hurt. It has been a brutal Big Ten season and a win here would have taken away much of the heartache of previous losses. In the end, we lost to a better team. Hard to swallow because we could have been the better team with a few free throws at the end or a few more rebounds. I tip my hat to these kids for an incredible effort over the course of the season. Remember 1) they are still kids, and 2) 1989 Big Ten season was also very much a heartbreak but ended well.

TheGhostofYost

March 10th, 2013 at 7:10 PM ^

I've only seen a few teams blow a two-possesion lead with the ball in the final minute.  I still can't believe that happened.  Based purely on stats, there was a about a 6% chance that THJ and Burke would both miss the front end, and of course it happened.  It fits perfectly with the 2% statistical chance Wisconsin would win, and the >1% chance PSU would come back from 15 down. This team continues to beat the odds in a very bad way.

LSAClassOf2000

March 10th, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^

Here are the final shooting percentages: 

 

  FG% 3FG% FT% EFF. FG%
MICHIGAN 41.54% 45.45% 53.85% 49.23%
INDIANA 42.86% 43.75% 55.56% 47.86%

The free throw shooting aside for the moment, this is one of the more interesting stats to me - from this standpoint (highlighted), we outshot them overall by a slight margin. That sort of gets to me a bit admittedly. It was just that close statistically. 

The offensive rebounding has been better and was much better in this game than Purdue and slightly better than Michigan State, but overall, it's still a problem that I see - Indiana had 47 total rebounds to our 26. That being said, we did many of the right things - we were aggressive and got steals and blocks (more than Indiana, in each case), and we controlled the ball well enough (only 6 turnovers to their 14), and overall, it was a defensive performance that I had wished we'd seen a few more times. 

With that, we're the 5-seed, and I believe that means we get a potential revenge game against Penn State. I'll take that possibility. 26 wins in 31 games including a conference schedule in this Big Ten is pretty damn good, I would think. 

jaylee714

March 10th, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^

It was a tough loss. But for 39 minutes we played like a potential number one team. Proud of our boys, hope we learn something from it a d use that knowledge for the tournament. Hard lesson.

ClutchWolverine

March 10th, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^

I played in a rec basketball game yesterday. We had a 5 point lead with a minute to go, missed four straight free

throws and lost when our last second lay up rolled out. Im not making this up.