The Snowflake Thread: Defense

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on

Due to the nature of things, this will go up a little early - this is your thread to discuss and evaluate Michigan's performance on defense and the defensive playcalling. 

Wendyk5

October 13th, 2013 at 12:01 AM ^

I'd rather lose to Penn State like this than Michigan State like this. Whether or not it's effective as a wake-up call, who knows. But if you think we weren't going to lose at some point playing the way we've played this season,  you aren't paying attention. We've been lucky, not good. 

Red is Blue

October 13th, 2013 at 1:35 PM ^

It is not that they lost, it is how they lost.  Coaches watching from the sideline as play clock runs down costing us two delay of games.  IMO, the first delay of game was especially egregrious, avoid that penalty and there is a good chance that Gibbons seals the deal from about 40 with a minute left.

ND Sux

October 12th, 2013 at 9:30 PM ^

TWICE.  The fumble recovery should have ended it as well.  But guess what?  Enter ball-less coaches again to run 3X up the gut and leave Gibbons with a 42 yarder. 

You play to win or you lose...and you DESERVE it.  Road games at night always favor the home team if they're close at the end.  We needed to be aggressive but had no nut hair. 

StraightDave

October 12th, 2013 at 9:31 PM ^

I was too sick watching the OT so I turned it off at the OT4 because I couldn't take it anymore.  So I checked this board on my phone and got my snowflake hopes up only to turn on ESPN right after the PSU score. 

Red is Blue

October 13th, 2013 at 1:41 PM ^

PSU's last three offensive plays in regulation were all a matter of inches.  The second play in particular looked like a great chance for a PBU or maybe even a game sealing pick, but the DB short armed the ball.

HollywoodHokeHogan

October 12th, 2013 at 9:34 PM ^

That last drive was pure shit.  The dline and secondary are not good and it's killing us.  We can't blitz because the secondary won't hold up, but the front four can't get shit for pressure without the blitz.  This is an exaggeration, but we are one of the least atheletic looking defenses I have ever seen.  The Dline lacks explosion and the secondary lacks speed.  There's a reason that guys like Stribling are playing and it's because Taylor/Avery/whatever just ain't real good.

CR7

October 12th, 2013 at 9:36 PM ^

Why weren't more blitzes called against a TRUE freshman quarterback? Why was a TRUE freshman DB on the field at the end of regulation? At least Clark played fairly well. 2 sacks, 2 fumble recoveries, TD. Did work.

swalburn

October 12th, 2013 at 9:37 PM ^

I honestly thought the d played ok minus the final drive.  It was nice seeing Wormley produce. That being said, I'm in hell right now.  This one is on the coaches.  We could lose to any team on our schedule or beat any team on our shedule.  The O-line is terrible but I will save that for the other thread.

 

Bb011

October 12th, 2013 at 9:40 PM ^

I'm not even mad at the defense. They did what they were supposed to for the most part. That last drive was bad, but fairly lucky for psu at the same time. The OT was definitely not their fault. You can't expect them not to get a touchdown after 4 fucking attempts, this was the offenses fault.

jblaze

October 12th, 2013 at 9:41 PM ^

Like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Suggs... Does anybody even know of Mattison? Didn't the Ravens win a SB without him? Is he getting too conservative as an old grandpa?

NRK

October 12th, 2013 at 11:03 PM ^

There was a decent amount of criticism of him while he was at Baltimore for being too conservative. It's a bit of confirmation bias, but if you google for old articles or message boards from when he left Baltimore there's a lot of statements which might sound all too familiar ("enjoy it when he rushes 3 on 3rd and 19 against OSU" etc). I like Mattison, and think he's a good coach and great recruiter... But I do think he's too conservative at times. Especially with a small lead. It worked against ND, Akron, and UConn when they all made a mistake. It did not work tonight.

SDCran

October 12th, 2013 at 9:51 PM ^

Weren't all bad. Both had calls go against us. The PI was an NFL PI, but 50-50 in college. Contact was clearly initiated before the throw.

The last play looked like a hold vs Gordon by the TE that fell to the ground and hooked him.

Neither call terrible, but either one goes our way (or the non-PI call on the wheel to Butt) and we probably see another OT

sdogg1m

October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^

Called a decent game overall and a great game in the second half.

Please don't let your emotions get the best of you and blame him and the defense. The defense was put in horrible position on those turnovers. They came up with two forced turnovers when they needed it in the second half. They held Penn State to three points or less for three overtimes.

Please watch your tongue in regards to the defense.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 12th, 2013 at 10:09 PM ^

It's clearly a problem when a true frosh throws for 300+ yards and drives the field under 30 seconds with the game on the line. He has talent that he simply hasn't developed or leveraged.

reshp1

October 12th, 2013 at 10:21 PM ^

The prevent on the last series deserves to be criticized. Other than that, we gave them 3 extra series with TOs. The defense also gave the offense a chance to win twice in OT (one was unforced, but still). This one is on bad game management, cowardly play calling on offense, and an offensive line that can't get 1 yard to save it's life.

Reader71

October 13th, 2013 at 2:11 AM ^

Put Stribling in position to make TWO game ending INTs. The coach can't time the players jumps, and the coach can't catch the ball. But he can call defenses that get guys in position to make plays. Mind you, the D was great for the rest of the 2nd half, and even damn good in the first. The D allowed two TDs drives of 20 yards after disastrous turnovers. If he can be faulted at all, he gave up 8 points on those drives, as 2 FGs are basically automatic. The real story in this game is when we took a delay of game on our last drive. We had two timeouts. Either the coaches are so gutless that they never were going to attempt a FG and the delay of game didn't bother them, or they are too stupid to realize that the delay of game would take them out of FG range. Either way, its bad news, but its not Mattison's fault.

samdrussBLUE

October 12th, 2013 at 10:11 PM ^

The second to last bomb is the one that really got me. Should have been picked or batted down and it just landed for PSU. We make the play we are supposed to and they have no momentum at all at that point.

LSAClassOf2000

October 12th, 2013 at 10:30 PM ^

First and foremost, could we PLEASE keep to the already established threads?

Second, 4.38 yards allowed per play on average actually is almost an average performance for Michigan this year. One of the problems - by the numbers - is that we ended up on the losing side of this game despite having a positive margin in both third down conversions and yards per play (albeit slight in both cases) in the tempo free stats.

jigsmcgee

October 13th, 2013 at 10:35 AM ^

not blitzing on too many  snaps, choosing to not angle punt when it makes perfect sense to angle punt in the last seconds of the game, wont talk about the stribling robinson play cause thats just regression to the mean for Hokes staff, not choosing to run devin gardner on every fucking play in OT in a spread formation, not choosing to place the ball on the right most hash for brendan gibbons classic draw to have most probability to go thru upright, not using a timeout when it was totally reasonable for you to use a timeout to save some yards on an ensuing kick (not sure if this actually happened just inferring.

also there are no stats in the this rundown.

jigsmcgee

October 13th, 2013 at 10:29 AM ^

One one hand - a difficult game to deal with the result given the opportunities blown in multi aspects of the game.

I dont know if I am still high from the savage amoutn of hash I smoked last night immediately following the miracu-fucking-lously blown first of two to three significant opportunities to win the game, but I find strange comfort in the fact that the coaching staff, offense, defense and special teams have not each performed at least average or better in a game since ND (allegedly).  WHOWITTTMEEEE????