The Snowflake Thread: Defense

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on November 30th, 2013 at 3:38 PM

This will be your thread this afternoon and evening to discuss the defense and the defensive playcalling. 

Comments

westwardwolverine

November 30th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

Honestly, defense was terrible other than some invidiaul plays by Ryan, Gedeon and Countess. Furman being out there didn't help anything, but I doubt Wilson would have made that much of a difference. 

Ohio State has a great offense and they destroyed us. 

West Texas Blue

November 30th, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

Good thing we're recruiting tons of safeties. Oh we told Montae Nicholson we don't need safeties? Jabril Peppers taking visits? That's okay because we have Josh Furman aka Deon Sanders 2.0. Other than that complaint, hats off to our team for a good game.

MileHighWolverine

November 30th, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^

Today of all days the D had to show up and couldn't. Not sure what happened to the unit that dominated in 2011 but I get the feeling that our weak DL is really the big problem here. No pressure up front means you get exposed everywhere.

 

Victor Hale II

November 30th, 2013 at 3:48 PM ^

Ben Gedeon showed some flashed of his raw talent in some early season cameos.  This game, he was making some great plays and looked like he belonged out there.  I think we have a winner with this kid, sports fans.

M Fanfare

November 30th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^

They got ripped at pretty much every position group: line, linebackers, and secondary. It's too bad, but that's what happens against a great offense.

MonkeyMan

November 30th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^

Defense was a real let down- and people can't blame Borges this time for keeping the D on the field too long and tiring them out- OSU rolled up yards and point early. The differences between Mattison and Borges are not that great. Borges almost saved the game today- firing him is not going to transform this team.

MGoStrength

November 30th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^

I'm not sure if their O-line is really good or our D-line is really poor, or a little of both.  But, we clearly lacked playmakers on defense this game.  The two best athletes on the field were Miller and Hyde.  I'm certainly glad OSU graduates 4 offensive lineman and Hyde.  This is why we need some elite guys like Hand.  I'm still hopeful for McDowell and that Charlton, Wormley, and Ojemudia develop.  Gedeon looked good too and Bolden didn't play too bad. Although I don't recall Gedeon much in the second half.  But, we got dominated by their rushing offense.  Time after time Hyde and Miller broke free.  And, when comparing tackling we had to gang tackle both of them to get them down.  Meanwhile a single OSU defender seemed to be able to take down our guys when we had the ball.  Despite all our focus on physicality there is still a clear difference in talent, physicality, experience...whatever it is that causes them to be win matchups and us to lose. 

Mmmm Hmmm

November 30th, 2013 at 3:51 PM ^

The future is bright, part N: with Pipkins back and Hurst off his redshirt (in addition to Strobel and Poggi--plus another year on Wormley), we will have more big bodies to replace Washington. Obvs we lose Black too, but I'm talking big run stoppers.

CoachParker6

November 30th, 2013 at 3:51 PM ^

Sad that mattison can't even begin to understand how to stop Meyers offense even after working ON HIS STAFF. He was content with allowing Hyde and miller bludgeon us all day. Any defensive competence at all we win.

enlightenedbum

November 30th, 2013 at 3:58 PM ^

Really missed Ross and Willie Henry's going to need to learn technique to beat the kind of talent they've got at Ohio State.  He had a rough day, in particular.  At least I think.  Hard to say considering the comprehensive beatdown they handed our line.

That offense is just generally terrifying though.  Bad performance, but not the end of the world.

LSAClassOf2000

November 30th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^

It's difficult to watch one of the best rushing defenses in FBS allow 393 yards of rushing, but Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde have made many a defense look rather lost throughout their time at Ohio State. Of course, Ohio State is the #5 rushing offense in the country - I don't think we've faced anyone quite that good on the ground this season. 

Statistically, it was not the best performance by any stretch - we allowed 8.62 yards per snap. Really liked what Gedeon was doing out there, and there was some good play by Ryan, Countess and a couple others. Adopt, adapt and improve, I suppose. Still hard to be mad about anything in this game. 

MGoStrength

November 30th, 2013 at 4:12 PM ^

I will be curious to see how OSU's rush offense matches up against MSU's rush defense.  I agree that Gedeon looked good.  Although I don't recall seeing him much in the second half. It is nice to have Ryan back and some pretty good LB depth next year.  I am a little nervous about our interior d-line next year though.  Hopefully Henry continues to develop, Pipkins recovers, and one of the younger guys can step, or even McDowell (if he commits) can contribute.

 

On a side note, what the heck is going on with Wilson?  He's clearly better than Furman and didn't see the field today.  Safety is another position that concerns me.  Peppers may be needed there...if we can hold onto him.

Boom Goes the …

November 30th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^

had a tough day. Thought the corners played well.  And we played with 6 in the box all day, I couldn't understand it.  I get that if you put 7 and they are spread out, it opens up the pass, but can't let them get 7 yards every play on first down. Make braxton beat you with his arm- I don't think he would have

Sllepy81

November 30th, 2013 at 4:01 PM ^

Yes excuses but we are young at LB, lacking skills in the DB backfield outside of countess and Braxton and Hyde were the best duo they've seen. If they were not undefeated with them I would've been surprised. We are young and not talented when it comes to upperclassmen, do you see any future pros beyond Clark from the upperclassmen on defense? This was a good lesson, Hyde and miller will be gone and I want to see what Urban can do with guys Tressell didn't give him. That's a high paid duo they have there.

MGoStrength

November 30th, 2013 at 4:22 PM ^

Yeah, I will be curious how we play OSU next year in Columbus.  OSU will have a very strong D-line, but I think Shazier and Roby go pro, and they graduate their two safeties.  So, they will be young in the back group.  Offensively they graduate 4 offensive lineman and Hyde.  They will still have Miller's playmaking.  But, I will be curious how our defensive line matches up against a bunch 2nd and 3rd year guys.  Their offensive line next year will be pretty similar to ours.  They will have 2 true Jrs, 2 RS Sophs, and one RS Sr.  If we can't make plays with our defensive line play next year, then there's something wrong.  I think we really have a solid shot at winning in Columbus.

Bigku22

November 30th, 2013 at 4:03 PM ^

As they were rolling up 8 YPC and gashing us to death, why did we not load the box with 8, hell even put 9 in the box. We were letting guys run wide open over the top anyway and that was with our safeties 20 yards downfield! I know they are good, real good but I don't understand how we at least didn't adjust during the game.

Boom Goes the …

November 30th, 2013 at 4:14 PM ^

in the box most of the game.  Ohio had 5 lineman, Hyde and Braxton so 6 on 7.  Lineman would double the point of attack and be guaranteed 5 yards before contact.  Safeties made most of the tackles anyways so roll them down and make Braxton throw it

UMgradMSUdad

November 30th, 2013 at 4:11 PM ^

People forget that Michigan is a very young team on defense, too.  It's not just starters, but when backups are pressed to play, it's really nice to have some juniors and seniors to fill the gaps instead of freshmen and sophs.  Michigan is experiencing growing pains, but the future looks bright.

MGoStrength

November 30th, 2013 at 4:29 PM ^

We still lack playmakers on D.  Peppers will certainly be one if we can hold onto him.  Same could be said for McDowell if we can land him.  Ryan is another.  Pipkins and Ross have the pedigree and experience to develop into them next year.  Younger guys like Thomas, McCray, and Charlton have the pedigree as well but still need time to develop.  They won't be playmakers next year.  Gedeon is showing promise.  I'm hopeful those 3rd year guys like Wormley, Ojemudia, and Henry take a big step next year.  But, we lack those elite playmaker guys. Missing out on Hand really hurt.  

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 30th, 2013 at 5:59 PM ^

will allow us to control the LOS, but an elite D needs playmakers. We need someone opposite Jake to create pressure and we need some athletes who create big plays. Our CBs cannot lockdown and our safety play is below average. Still believe Lewis and Stribling can be very good, but we need guys like Peppers and Malik to generate mismatches and big plays.

kirbylax10

November 30th, 2013 at 4:19 PM ^

Not your best game defense. Missing a lot of our guys though. Ohio has a great offense. Not much we could do. Thought it was overrated all year anyway. We'll improve as our studs get older

Magnum P.I.

November 30th, 2013 at 4:29 PM ^

Pretty pathetic effort by the defense today. Not surprising, though. I predicted 49 for OSU, but the Hyde fumble stifled that drive. We haven't had to play a good offense all year, except Indiana. 

Did OSU pass in the second half? They broadcast run on every play and still got about 10 yards per carry. Pretty demoralizing, a la Wisconsin 2010. I'm not as sure about the strength of our defense as others. We'll see how things shape up next year. Luckily, there really aren't any good offenses in the Big Ten, outside of OSU and maybe Indiana.

Epic-Blue

November 30th, 2013 at 4:38 PM ^

I didn't hear his name called all day! Was he hurt? Seen a lot of Cam Gordon playing Sam backer. D line looked like shit. Backers looked good in the first half. Secondary stepped up in 2nd half but I don't think OSU attempted a pass. I'll give the a C considering OSU had a high octane offense.

MaizeMN

November 30th, 2013 at 5:24 PM ^

Fire Brady Hoke! Fire Al Borges! Fire Gerg Mattison! Fire Funk! Fire Jackson! Fire Brandon! Fire MS Coleman! Fire Jon Falk! Wait, can we fire the last two, I think they are retiring? That takes care of the fire, who's gonna get pitchforked? All sarcasm aside, that was one helluva effort. I'm proud of you boys. GO BLUE!

Krakhead

November 30th, 2013 at 5:31 PM ^

The defense wasn't stellar, but executed reasonably well.  Their failures are really the known chinks in our armor.  The weak defensive line and the poor safeties.  Better personel is part of fixing the problem, but the scheme seemed sound.  The other frustrating part for me was poor open field tackling and defenders taking bad angles.

CR7

November 30th, 2013 at 6:11 PM ^

As poorly as they played and as much of a defensive guy as I am, I'm not as upset as usual. Mattison was poor, again, I thought, by not making the obviously inaccurate (on the day) Miller beat them with his arm. Letting Hyde pound them over and over was and is madness. Back up saftey or not. If you're worried about getting beat deep, put Dymonte in and tell him not to let anyone behind him. Honestly would'nt have been any worse than Avery/Furman.