The Snowflake Thread: Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on November 23rd, 2013 at 3:18 PM

This is your snowflake thread for coaching decisions and overall coaching in the game. Tread lightly, as these threads are watched. 


angry byrne

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 PM ^

On the bright side, we'll undoubtedly make TWIS this week.  I'll admit that I was laughing maniacally when Devin turned the ball over and then again when Iowa through for a first down on 4th and ten.

I can't understand how an offense with that kind of talent can be THAT bad so near the end of the season.  And as has been pointed out, they're constantly sliding towards worse each week.  It's not like Iowa's good.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^

Devin losing 4 yards on the second to last drive when he could have clearly gained 6 but was afraid of being hit. First time I wanted him pulled from the game.

When they get an invitation to a crummy bowl game it should be turned down. More honor in that than to go to the "I finished 1 game above .500" bowl.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^

No.... don't turn down any bowl, we CLEARLY need the extra practices. I don't give a damn about honor, I care about getting better for next year. We're one decent OC away from being a good football team.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:20 PM ^

Only scored one "organic" touchdown. When was the last time we saw Michigan March the length of the field for a score? It's been awhile. Can't believe we let this happened

Something had to chance, whether it be personnel or not, something HAS to change. I'm not looking forward to next week

Did see Hoke with a headset on. Yay?


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:21 PM ^

I dont want to trade a coach's job with a W. But this game should solidify Borges's retirement. Besides, we don't have any chance vs OSU. Bye Bye Borges!


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^

This is the first time I have even considered uttering the words 'fire hoke'  but he has no control over his staff and when the offense fails enough the defense losses faith and falls apart...


I feel worse right now than the end of the RichRod era.

I feel worse right now becasue I know Hoke and co. will be back next year and we will have similar results...

How did this happen?

This isn't the lions where  I could go lions free;  This is my team, my school, and our collective embarassment...

Borges playcalling is predictable and easy to stop... if it wasn't for this defense we would have been shut out by freaking Iowa.



November 23rd, 2013 at 3:39 PM ^

But realistically he won't and probably shouldn't be terminated yet.   It's just not good for college program's morale to fire a coach after 3 seasons once again (unless he does something naughty off the field).  He'll likely at least be safe through about 2015 before Brandon considers terminating him.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:57 PM ^

There are very few coaches knows both X and O. Including Saban, Meyer, you name it. I don't have problem on relying on the OC to do the job, but HC needs to guide the OC during the game, and make critical call. More importantly, he needs to find a better OC and co. to have good game plan and player development, Al Borges and co. failed in the past 3 years. On the other hand, Greg Mattison is doing pretty good, our defense will stablize in the next few years.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^

Neither one is capable of running a team. Have only wanted borges and offense's staff changed but the more i think about it the more i realize he will never get it done.

Been watching for 30 yrs that i can remember and i have never felt this apathetic about M football before


Neither one is capable of running a team. Have only wanted borges and offense's staff changed but the more i think about it the more i realize he will never get it done.

Been watching for 30 yrs that i can remember and i have never felt this apathetic about M football before


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^

Numbers don't lie. Michigan's offense has the tools to be good; it is not. There are a variety of factors that contribute to this, and lots of debate regarding why this is the case.

But the debate doesn't matter. The evidence is visible on the field--the offense stinks. And it has regressed throughout the season.

Numbers don't lie. The coaching staff must be changed.


November 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

I flipped after Nebraska, actually. I see the problems a bit differently than others, and I think a lot of people waaaay oversimplify things and try to deal in the reality that the actual decision-makers deal with, but Michigan's production against average B1G opponents is inexcusable regardless of the actual cause.

I think the largest failure, by far, has been the OL; a good OL would mask the issues in other areas. But Michigan's growing inability to execute anything speaks to wider issues that cannot be ignored. And fit into a pattern that has been seen at places like Auburn.

03 Blue 07

November 23rd, 2013 at 4:15 PM ^

I'm pretty much with you step-for-step, right down to Nebraska, and in the belief that no matter what occurs (unless we hang 40 on OSU in regulation somehow) Borges must go, and, really, entire offensive staff has to go. New OC can re-hire who he wants, if they're most qualified/best fit, from the current staff after they've been let go first. This has to end. 


November 23rd, 2013 at 4:02 PM ^

That was the leading indicator.  Michigan should have man-handled them, and they didn't.  After that game I argued against the "a W is a W" argument ... because it wasn't.  The way that W was achieved was a loud warning signal that something was very, very wrong.


November 23rd, 2013 at 5:33 PM ^

Anyone that did that shoud have been criticized. While it is true that Akron was a bad bad sign, there was no coherent case, at all, to be made for firing Borges back then. Now the case is obvious, but then it was only a warning sign.