Sirius Radio Reporting that 49ers have given Harbaugh permission to talk to Raiders.

Submitted by Ryno2317 on December 27th, 2014 at 2:16 AM
No link but it's referenced on Twitter all over the place. If it's true that Harbaugh is asking for permission, well that sucks. Thought I would share.


Couzen Rick's

December 27th, 2014 at 2:22 AM ^

But it was from some guy on a reply thread to another tweet.  I couldn't find a source after googling for it, so I couldn't find anything to support it.  SF giving OAK permission is pretty big, and I feel if it were true the NFL guys would be waiting to be all over it.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:24 AM ^

It's BS. 

The league's policy states that no employer club may grant another club permission to discuss employment with its head coach for the current or a future season until the end of the season. The coach is prohibited from discussing employment with another team, and no club may request permission to discuss employment with a coach from another team.




December 27th, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^

and it looks like they are breaking up. Everyone is talking about it, it's on FB and all, yet some don't think it's happening. Rumor is that she is moving away to date this other guy.

I just got permission from my co-worker to talk to his soon-to-be ex-girl friend! I'm soooo excited. I'm going to talk to her in the airport in Sunday before she heads out of town. Wish me luck!

The FannMan

December 27th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^

Wouldn't that explain why a trade hasn't happened yet?

It was commonly accepted that the Raiders wouldn't trade for a one-year coach who would leave in a year.  They would want to know that he was willing to sign up long term.  However, if Oakland couldn't talk to Harbaugh until the end of the season, then doesn't that explain why there has been no trade?  Also, wouldn't it make sense that SF would grant Oakland permission as soon as the game ends tomorrow? Oakland would then have until Tuesday to work a deal.  if they come to terms, SF can work a trade and get draft picks or players.  This nightmare scenario also jives with Rapport's tweet that Oakland will be meeting with Harbaugh this weekend.  Sirius would still be wrong about the 49ers "have given" permission, but it is kind of close if they "will give" permission.  Persumably, they would have to let Oakland know that they plan to grant permission so people can schedule meetings, etc.

Am I missing something here?  Really, please tell me I am missing something.




December 27th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^

What you're missing- There's no way in hell San Fran wants Harbaugh in Oakland. 49ers fans are already pissed at York and Baalke for JH probably leaving.

You think they'd just willingly trade him to the other team in their media market and risk JH turning the Raiders around? No chance.

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The FannMan

December 27th, 2014 at 10:15 AM ^

I have never even been to the Bay Area, so I have zero knowledge of the rivalry.  But, woiuld SF fans really rather have JH at Michigan than get Oakland's draft picks?  Also, it seems contradictory to suppose that Baalke thinks Harabaugh is so bad he wants to get rid of him, but is worried that he is such a great coach he can turn around the Raiders.  If Baalke doesn't like Harabugh it seems to me he would inflict him on the rival Raiders and pick up some draft picks as a bonus. 

(I am a Lions fan so my frame of reference may be off here.  There hasn't been a Lions coach in my lifetime that I wouldn't trade to Green Bay or Chicago for a draft pick.  Caldwell is making a case though.)


December 27th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^

The raiders cannot discuss harbaugh with the 49ers until after Sunday. They can't ask for permission to negotiate with him and the 49ers can't grant them permission until they ask. The raiders can't contact harbaugh or his representatives until after Sunday regarding harbaugh, and then only after the 49ers grant permission officially. If anything has happened by now, that's tampering and the league should investigate.

If the 49ers give permission, then harbaugh and Oakland have to work out a deal for a new contract that he would take to become the head coach of the raiders. Then the raiders and 49ers also have to work out a deal for the 49ers to release harbaugh. Plus there's the Rooney rule.

These types of deals are rare. I don't think the 49ers would want a huge sum for Harbaugh since the alternative is that he goes to Michigan and they get nothing. The thing is that Oakland most likely needs to let go of their GM to hire harbaugh or else he's not getting the control that he wants. That kind of control for a coach is rare in the NFL, but exactly what a coach gets in college. therefore, unless Oakland is willing to basically give harbaugh everything he wants and a huge salary, he's coming to Michigan. Keep in mind that despite 3 appearances in the NFc title game and one Super Bowl appearance, the 49ers were unwilling to do the same.

The FannMan

December 27th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^

The request and grant of permission can be done in about 15 minutes.  A call to Harabaugh's agent, maybe another 30.  Oakland will certainly have its offer ready to go.  So, by Sunday night, Oakland could send an offer to Harbaugh.  That leaves all of Monday and most of Tuesday to negotiate against Michigan's established offer.  That is a ton of time.

You are right about the Rooney rule.  The Lions got fined 200K for violating it when they hired Mariucci in 2003.  The Raiders might just pay the fine, or interview someone on Sunday before hitting send on their offer.  They could then argue that they complied.  

My point is that there does seem to be a plausable scenario where it does not, in fact, happen.  My hope is that Hackett is on top of this and has a functioning cell phone.  Giving Harabaugh until Tuesday to sign (if the reoports are true) may turn out to be a huge mistake.  I want to see Hackett close this deal.  Until he does, I am not going to be celebrating anything.  



December 27th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

I think that Michigan is in as good of a position as they could possibly be, but you're not going to strong arm Harbaugh into it. At this point if he takes the NFL offer, it's a situation where there is nothing further that Michigan could have done. It would be disappointing for sure, but with a willingness to give out a mega contract to another coach, Michigan will reel in a top head coach and that coach will be winning national championships in Ann Arbor.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:23 AM ^

If true, this really pisses me off as Hackett thinks this is essentially done and Harbaugh still wants to meet with the Oakland Fucking Riaders. Maybe they are just picking up on Rappaport's earlier "report" however if this is true things could unravel quickly.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:24 AM ^

It is literally a violation of NFL rules for SF to even grant permission until after the season is over.  Teams can't ask OR grant permission during the season.



December 27th, 2014 at 4:12 AM ^

I would prefer not to have a huge dong punch, to end the New Year.

Its been stated before, but at this point it will be just as much of a relief as there will be excitement, if we get Harbaugh.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:52 AM ^

Yeah and if anyone wants it to be true, its Niners Nation who has a post on the top of its front page titled "I want to Taste the Tears of Michigan Fans".


All I know now is that, while I would not be surprised if Harbaugh ended up in Michigan, I'm kind of hoping he ends up anywhere but Michigan. Their fans have gotten incredibly confident in the notion that he is headed there, and some of them have gotten just a little bit mouthy. At this point, I would love to see Harbaugh leverage Michigan's interest and get a solid deal somewhere in the NFL. There will be some who don't want to see him potentially facing the 49ers again, but I really don't care at this point. My new goal is to see him end up anywhere but Michigan, just to disappoint UM fans. It's slightly irrational, but this whole thing is crazy enough that I'm not overly concerned about appearances.

So if those fucks arent validating it, just stop.


December 27th, 2014 at 3:14 AM ^

Name one NFL team that will consider him a God? College kids will jump through walls for him and that's not something pro players will do. Big contract, complete autonomy, and being adored by the fanbase is what I call a solid deal.

I call BS on this. Oakland is the last place SF wants Harbaugh to be. 


December 27th, 2014 at 6:30 AM ^

I don't understand the, "I really don't care at this point." If Harbaugh goes anywhere else in the NFL and wins a super bowl before San Francisco it would be pretty embarrassing for the niners front office. Could make it difficult to get a big name coach in the future if this scenario would pan out.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:37 AM ^

Seems illogical from a SF POV.  I am going to once again start my chant of  "Its happening, It's happening . . .", (thank you coach schiano for the advice) blindly believing it as I finish my drink, take another pee, and go to bed.  Only  then I will wake up in about four hours, becasue thats the kind of night it was, and I have to work almost immediately after that for a few hours.  COME HOME JIM HARBAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JR's Flow

December 27th, 2014 at 2:38 AM ^

Tomorrow really is the important day. While it might be against the rules, I think tomorrow is Essential for the raiders to have a chance. Sunday 49ers play, Monday Harbaugh is let go/ already on his way to michigan.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:38 AM ^

That would be tampering. Granted, maybe they told him to go ahead and talk to them after the season and they gave him their blessing to do so. Doubtful though, this seems like someone just making stuff up.


December 27th, 2014 at 2:43 AM ^

I know no one will take heed since worrying is just a UM fan's thing but you have to consider the circumstances here

  • Brian has heard enough fire from a ton of directions to declare this done.  Brian is very conservative relative to a lot of other places.
  • There is enough confidence in AA that a lot of moving parts are aligning for "something big" to happen next Tuesday.
  • Think about the human aspect.  Jim is a human, not a cyborg.  He has obviously made a decision that let what seems to be a very conservative man in Hackett who has run this thing in as hush hush of a manner as possible to start getting gears going for "something big" to happen next Tuesday.  To think Jim would go back on that with days to go when mentally he has already made a decision to AA, told family members - namely his wife and dad - with 24-72 hrs to go would almost be ludicrous.  Think about how that guy would be treating his school - all for what?  For the right to go to a sad sack franchise?

If all these machinations for next week from so many people with so much smoke was not happening I'd get the worry.  But basically Jim has closed the window.   He will be ending his affiliation with the 49ers on Monday and if you believe the shitstorm of smoke within 14-18 hrs of that he will be on a plane flying cross country.  So that would give any suitor oh 12 hrs Monday to change his mind.  Again it is a human being here who from all accounts has "given his word" he is coming to AA from all the things happening in the background.  To a place he loved and went to school at. 

Jim is an asshole but not that sort of asshole.  That would be like taking the Michigan football program out behind the barn and shooting it... in it's back.

Remain calm and Harbaugh.


December 27th, 2014 at 8:39 AM ^

And to take it a step further I fully believe there is a signed contract at this point.  Brian mentioned that he doesn't have a picture of a contract, but I don't think he says those words and puts himself out there with 99% certainty unless there is something in writing.  Even the athletic department seems to be too leaky at this point for it not to be a done deal.  I think the rumor mill in A2 is in full effect because slowly more and more people who need to prepare for next week are being fed details - Hackett doesn't allow this to happen unless it's a done deal already.


December 27th, 2014 at 9:20 AM ^

Only a handful of people would have been in that room, so his information is still second or third hand right?  Credible, but there is still a margin of error in that it could be false.  But my guess is he has credible information that there is a written agreement and all of the circumstantial evidence bolsters that piece of information.