SIAP: Offensive line drill
Randomly shows up on youtube recommender (Thanks correlation AI...been watching some old M games)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HHHSuacpmI
Looks like LT are JBB and Chuck Filiaga? Anyways. Hope they pick up twists/rushes and QB throws 60 yard bombs like every game.
P.S. Onwenu is still a planet.
I've heard that Runyan is likely RT.
I heard that Denard is starting QB
It was ask of UMBig11 earlier this year that if JBB lost out to Hudson at LT, if he would go back to RT and supplant Runyan given his experience from last year.
The response (paraphrasing) was basically JBB is either starting LT or a backup because Runyan is RT no matter JBB's outcome.
I'll say nope. If Hudson wins the job at LT JBB starts at RT. He's enormous and pummels people in the run game. Runyan hasn't shown that ability, and his pass pro isn't better than JBB' s.
If it were he wouldn't have been beaten out by Ulizio and JBB last year.
Last year's RT choices were idiotic and the #1 reason why I questioned the coaching staff. Runyan has been the "most athletic OL on the team" for 2 years. He was the RT going into fall camp, supposedly injured his shoulder and knee, and was surpassed by Ulizio for god knows why.
Ulizio starting over JBB was also laughable so I put little stock into Runyan being supplanted by Ulizio since he supplanted JBB also and come end of the year, Runyan was backing JBB up over him.
JBB can maul on the ground. And while I can't say for certain that it was Kugler's calls that were messing him up, JBB was letting free runners go far too much last year. I think he was more solid than people give him credit for, but he wasn't leaps and bounds better than Runyan.
What was more curious? Ulizio ahead of Runyan and JBB or O'Korn being ahead of Peters last season?
Ulizio, by far.
Peters was a RS freshman. Putting him in right after Speight went down would have been bad at Purdue. Then you get into a weird ongoing timong thing where pulling JOK didn't make sense until much later.
Can't pull him after Purdue, he won the game and played... Competently?
Can't pull him after MSU because he had to throw 20 times in a monsoon. Not his fault (though he had some bad decisions in that game anyways).
Could have pulled him late in the Indiana game when Higdon was the entire offense while JOK was pathetic. But that would have been a 2 drive head start on the incoming PSU game.
Don't want to start Peters AT PSU at night, in a white out. That would have been terrible.
So really it was either play him against Indiana or against Rutgers. Those were the options. Ulizio never should have sniffed the field.
Good response. I just will never understand how our staff put O'Korn ahead of Peters in the first place. And there is no reason a redshirt freshmen who enrolled early shouldn't have a really good grasp on the playbook. Every year we see difference makers at the QB position who are true freshmen. If our playbook is so complicated that only upper classmen can run it we have a problem. Even Alabama relied on a true frosh QB two years in a row now.
Injuries to both JBB and Runyan should have been the only way Ulizio saw the field last year. Probably no other way to put it other than coaches just dropped the ball on this evaluation. Hopefully this was a Drevno error.
Yes, RS freshman QBs have had a bigger impact as of late, though in most cases it has been guys who play in RPO systems (Herbert at Oregon, Manziel at Texas A&M, Winston at FSU which wasn't as much RPO but that team was loaded, and Hurts at Alabama and he has struggled a lot) or systems that had strong running games to take the heat off the QB. But at this point, the talk has been that Peters even as a RS sophomore isn't capable of taking the job for good. He's not Johnny Manziel or Justin Herbert.
JOK was the seemingly low ceiling, high floor option of the 2 starting the year. No matter what was seen from Peters in practice, the thought was JOK's average play (given his time at Houston and enough practice at Michigan) was more stable than a complete unknown. Peters could have gone out there and frozen in the face of defenses, especially coming in cold against Purdue. Peters was getting 3rd team reps up to that point, there was no way to know he could come in and handle being down @Purdue.
We're biased against JOK because of what we saw on the field last year, but leading up to it I could understand why the coaches thought he could manage things better than Peters when they had 0 data on Peters.
Check out Hurts freshmen stats. If that is struggling than I can't wait til our guys struggle that well lol. We also had a pretty decent running game. Teams stacked up against the run to dare us to beat them in the pass game and we still couldn't do it last year. I am not suggesting Peters was the caliber of either those guys but our pass game was among the worst in the entire country last year. If Peters was 2nd on the depth chart from game 1 I wonder how things would of shook out, probably still not good but very possibly better than the passing game failure we displayed all year long.
JOK was the low ceiling high floor guy in 2015, when he first got here. The staff had all of 2015 and 2016 and 2017 offseason to discover he was in actuality a low ceiling low floor guy. In the right system at the right school he'd be ok, not here. If Peters was back up to Speight up to the Purdue game he should have been ready to step in. And it's purdue...not PSU, MSU, Wisc, OSU.
They did not have zero data on Peters. They had all his freshman year and all offseason of his redshirt freshman year. But more importantly they had all the data on JOK to know exactly what they had in him as a Michigan QB.
Jalen Hurts playing for Alabama is not even remotely close to Peters playing for Michigan.
Alabama's OL alone could win them games and Hurts was constantly criticized for just being ok. His legs bailed him out a ton and Alabama's schedule over the last 2 years has been very manageable. (they get Mercer and Chattanooga for crying out loud). Their only big game last year was Auburn (which they lost) and then they pulled Hurts against Georgia.
2016 he threw for 185 yards/game and they basically only played Clemson. USC sucked before they went to Darnold, LSU fired Miles, Auburn was playing a QB who was constantly broken, and Washington was good, but had no shot playing Alabama's defense.
Point being, Hurts didn't set the world on fire. He has been ok, but put him behind Michigan's OL last year with a bunch of freshman WRs and he's not doing well. He had every advantage possible and still got pulled/criticized constantly.
What I mean by Michigan not having data on Peters is that they had never seen him in live games against opponents. JOK by all reports could do well in practice. In games the light turned off. Same could have happened to Peters and throwing him in against Purdue when Michigan was losing on the road would have been very risky. Then JOK did well so you can't really bench the guy who saved you the game before.
Neat video. Thanks for posting!
Has Harbaugh et al. said anything about projected tackles? I read JBB at LT and Runyan at RT on a certain board, but I wasn't sure if that was just guessing or based off a comment I had missed. I didn't see anything on summaries from media day.
I was really hoping one of the younger guys was going to claim LT.
From what I remember seeing, JBB and Runyan were the leaders headed into the summer. Hudson was pushing JBB and the others (Stueber, Filiaga) had their upsides, but weren't supplanting Runyan. Haven't really heard anything since.
Regardless, fall camp hasn't opened yet so someone overtaking someone else over the summer is... unlikely? We'll find out more next weekend when camp starts.
Retired poster Mineral King assured me that Hudson has surpassed JBB for LT position - take that to the (monopoly) bank
He talked about JBB and Runyan just yesterday, they are the presumed starters.
He also talked about Hudson, and made it clear that he has potential but not consistent enough yet. Something to the effect of "Yes, do it that way every time and the job is yours!" But hasn't been able to do that yet.
Okay, well that's for some reason the comment I haven't been able to find.
Is it just me or at the very end of the video does it look like Runyan added some size? Looks a bit thicker to me than last year.
Good stuff right there!
Shea Patterson already said Hudson is starting
Wishful thinking perhaps.
I actually think the QB should be responsible for naming the starting tackles, since it's his ass on the line and he has the most motivation to get it right.
Link?
Runyan is going to be the starting RT. In limited action he graded out as the best pass protecting lineman. It seems like Hudson needs to work on consistency which is expected from a player learning a new position still. My bet is JBB will be the LT at Notre dame.
Runyan at tackle still scares me a bit because of his size. But I'll trust Warinner on this one, and there are a few tackles in the NFL at JRJs size.
Runyan was actually very solid when he started. He just needs to work on his run blocking. and you're right he needs to add about 5-10 more pounds which I'm sure ben Herbert will do for him. I'm sure JBB will be on a short leash too. If he struggles I expect Hudson or Filagia to play in his place
He started one game. That was the bowl game against South Carolina. I don’t remember our rushing game doing anything that day.
I really hope he is the answer. If he and JBB have solid seasons, it could be a special team. The schedule still worries me and will continue to do so until we win a big road game.
started in one, played in six and played RT against Ohio state and did a fantastic job.
The drop off from JBB to Runyan against OSU wasn't noticeable. The "best DL in the country" got 5 sacks that game and 3 of them were because JOK wouldn't throw the ball away 5 seconds after the snap when standing 3 feet from the bench.
I noticed it. 2 sacks in 49 minutes that JBB was in and 3 sacks in 11 minutes with Runyan.
Runyan has this season to prove he was not just a legacy addition. (Check out his recruiting rankings. They were in Berkeley Edwards territory.) I wish him well. The team needs him to take that step forward.
Yes, the end of that game, when Michigan had to throw to try and catch up, resulted in more sacks. As I said, most where due to JOK not throwing the ball away when he should have. Runyan wasn't blown by or overpowered by Hubbard every snap. He did fine.
That SC bowl game was a cluster fuck of epic proportions. I don't think the coaches were interested. I don't think the players were interested. I don't think the cheerleaders were interested. And I don't think the fans were interested. I do think (NT)USC was interested - and it still took everything they had to win the game.
Everything about that game screams 'lets just get out of this season start over'! Don't take anything from that game to bring forward...
Care to share the pass protection grades, Mrs. Runyan?
Sure thing hun.
"But he only allowed four quarterback pressures and one sack in 84 snaps (at RT, he had 184 combined snaps at RG/RT) making him the best pass blocking tackle not named mason Cole,"
Sounds like a military officer
Whenever we see a coach coaching, we get surprised at how smart they are and how well they teach. Almost whenever, anyway. We tend to internalize the idea that anyone who isn't a revolutionary genius is kind of a buffoon. I have no doubt that guys like Funk and Drevno looked quite competent as they directed their players, and that an isolated 30-second clip of them could look as impressive as the lines they coached didn't.
Still, hard not to be encouraged seeing this. It's just a clip, after all, and we don't know what they're seeing on film and teaching outside of it.
But it's hard for me to believe that this, of all clips, being the one they choose to release publicly is a coincidence.
Because they're practicing their stunt pickups there and stunt pickups were the #1 problem our OL had last year.
Message being sent?
I think it's just a publicity stunt. (ill see myself out)
Hey, get back here. Pick up after yourself before you leave.
Spanellis looks like he is ready to claim at starting spot.
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Go Blue
Thanks for posting this. I haven't seen it before.
No worries. Thought I'd share. It literally just popped up on YouTube and I was happy to watch it × 10 for my fix :)
Noticed twist puck ups. Fantasizing about 60 yard TDs
I predict that Warriner will be better than Funk or Drevno.
Steuber still has the rump size of a 180 lb man. Not happening this year.
They were doing left side, then right side with Spanellis and Runyan. So Filiaga is playing LG.
Warriner keeps saying “two key” during the drill—anybody know what that means?
Nothing like running at like 40% speed in practice... I don't know shit though so maybe this is how it's done.
The former rowing coach in me wants to point out technique is developed first at 1/2 speed and building up.
Going from 0 to 100mph is how you develop bad habits and take shortcuts. Learning the process and replicating good results comes before going at Gary or even the OL guys playing "defense."
Great video!
Youtube had this video (from the same channel) associated so I watched it second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qTThpXnYzU
According to these guys, Shea is the absolute starter who took a playbook "home" with him after spring ball with 10-11 RPO style plays that only Shea is allowed to operate.
Also, they very solidly predict that Hudson will be starting at LT rather than Beatty.
Anyone else see this? Is this legit or are they making stuff up?