August 14th, 2011 at 12:34 AM ^

The part tha really sticksout to me is the refrenceto coach carr and being around the football program now that RR is gone.  Wonder if there is ever going to be a book by coach carr....that may or may not ref. how he felt about RR......hmmm


August 14th, 2011 at 8:28 AM ^

He was given a Towne Carr and handed over a Tarurus. He's a lucky son of a bitch because other than inheriting, he made no lasting impressions on this program.

It's ez for him now to get on the Hoke train seeing someone else has recruited and put in place the pieces for things to happen. For him to come out of his hiding place now says a lot, imo. Things are ready to roll, he knows it, and he's endorsing perhaps a good coach, but didn't do a fucking thing for the guy that inherited his fucking mess.


August 14th, 2011 at 8:52 AM ^

Not sure if you are too young to remember, but coach Carr was both a great man and a great representative of Michigan. Oh, and he won a ton of B10 titles and a national championship.
<br>As for leaving the program in poor shape, I am not going to reiterate the debate that has raged on this blog forever but had RR managed to keep half of the talent that ran out the door (not entirely his fault but certainly not lloyd's fault) we would have had a different past three years.
<br>As for RR leaving the program primed for a championship and Brady and Lloyd just stumbling into he right situation, I suggest you go back and look at our defense from last year as well as the scary depth / youth in our depth chart.


August 14th, 2011 at 9:37 AM ^

...well, f-ck someone else. 

Anyway, Lloyd Carr had an excellent run here, had a staff that recruited some great talent (a staff that included Brady Hoke for several years), and he is a great voice for the University in general.

The state of the program in 2008 and for the last couple years are not his fault, nor are they his problem - someone already said it, but if more of the talent had been retained by the incoming staff at the time, there might have been some different results. We'll never really know, of  course. I hesitate to say any more lest a certain debate resurface. For years, it will be "too soon" for this one. 

I won't damn him for supporting Hoke openly - Brady Hoke was, after all, on his staff and, this being Michigan football, we imagine he was on Carr's staff for a damn good reason. 


August 14th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^

There's a good chance it didn't make the difference, but it has been reported that Carr himself encouraged Mallett to leave (that's straight from the Mallett family's mouths). Contrast that with what Denard said RR told him about what to do when Hoke came in. At the time of Boren's transfer, there were also rumblings that he had talked with him too (not sure if that was in the rumor stage or was corroborated). None of the other players who left because of the coaching change were impactful types unless you want to count Arrington (Mario was leaving - period).

Given not just the state of the roster for one season, Carr really did leave the program in worse shape than he found it when you consider the futility against Ohio State (and resulting troubles getting top Ohio recruits, not to mention it contributing to RR coming here at what was an angsty time for the fanbase given that losing streak) and bowl games. You might not like that the poster said "f--- Lloyd" but the Town Car to Taurus analogy is not exactly untrue.




August 14th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^

Carr was our head coach for 13 years.  He went through many recruiting cycles.  The program never collapsed under his watch.  That it did after he left - after several key players transferred or went pro, and after all his assistants but one were fired - can't be pinned all on him.  If Carr had still been around for the 2008 season, in all likelihood Mallett, Arrington and Boren would have stayed, and there wouldn't have been any problems involving players not buying in to the system.