FreddieMercuryHayes

September 30th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^

I do feel bad for him.  The AD created a complete shit storm around an issue that could have been resolved on Sunday causing Morris to get dragged through this whole thing.  All so the AD could seemingly save his own ass and deflect blame elsewhere.

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lilpenny1316

September 30th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

At least no one will scapegoat him, which was my initial fear Saturday night from the BH supporters.  I can't blame the desire to play, but there's a reason why parents like to send their kids to schools where the coaching staff will take care of their kid.  They hope the coach will respond to situations like this with a parental hat on and not just a headset, or head that should have a headset on.

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ADSellers

September 30th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^

If he wants to play football, he needs to develop MAC-level accuracy first. He's been terrible and his decision-making has been worse than Gardner's every time he's come in. 

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ADSellers

September 30th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

If you think his poor track record at the QB position should be overshadowed by the coaches' recent actions, you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree. He's been awful. The only player that has been worse at that position in recent years is Nick Sheridan. 

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IncrediblySTIFF

September 30th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^

Its taboo to talk about a player not having skill.  You should know that.  These are kids, and there is no reason they would be highly rated recruits unless they were really good at football.  It is the coaches fault for putting them into a spot where they simple are unable to succeed.

Unless your AJ Williams, in which case it is the coaches fault for thinking you have the ability to run/block/catch.

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champ009kd

September 30th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

TIL: A Shane Morris thread on a Michigan message board about a Shane Morris tweet after shane morris' first start is not the time or place to discuss Shane Morris' ability to play football. /s ---but downvote anyway as long as you promise that this wont effect my Fico score. /s 

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Dubs

September 30th, 2014 at 1:13 PM ^

The sad thing is, we can't bring about a transition without some sort of collateral damage.  I hate to see these players who have dedicated so much time and effort, only to have their well-being and morale swept under the rug by a megalomaniac. You read comments from Ryan VanBergen and how he felt betrayed and abandoned by the fanbase/alums, and I hate to see this happen to another crop of kids (I'm not saying that all fans do this, but I can understand how you could, from a player's perspective).

Unfortunately at this point, things can't get better unless they get worse which...yeah.

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white_pony_rocks

September 30th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

eventually the time will come when football players will realize that they cannot try and minimize the injury on the field and try and stay in the game. I'm not saying I don't understand that desire, but they need to realize they can't do that anymore when it comes to head shots and even the possibility of concussions.

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mjv

September 30th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

The issue is that you can't expect the players to police this issue. Inherently, the athletes are incredibly competitive, otherwise they wouldn't be in the position to be a D-1A scholarship athlete. Their entire playing life they keep trying to win and be in the game.  It is a kin to asking a penguin to fly.  Sure they have wings, but they are designed for that.  And once someone gets the concussion, their decision making ability isn't going to be any better than it was prior.

That is why coaches and doctors have to police this.  

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mjv

October 1st, 2014 at 10:49 AM ^

Putting the honus on a player to ask to be taken out is a mistake.  Some may be able to look at the whole situation and realize they need to come out, but they have been trained to not think that way.  Add to the situation that the player just had his brain reshuffled and it is fundamentally wrong to assume that the player should be able to make that decision.

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mGrowOld

September 30th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

This actually pisses me off even more.  As a father it breaks my heart to think that this kid, who would fucking take a bullet for Michigan, got put in a position to fail, wasnt protected by his Head Coach, and now feels responsible for the shit storm that he had nothing to do with creating.

He reminds of when you hear kids apologizing for their parents divorce.  It's heartbreaking.

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JamieH

September 30th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^

That NONE of this is his fault.

 

It was NOT his responsiblity to pull himself when his ankle got torqued.  He, of course, is expected to play through pain.

 

It was NOT his responsibilty to recognize that his play was severly compromised by his torqued ankle.  That is what the adults on our coaching staff are supposed to be doing.

 

If was NOT his responsibility to pull himself out of the game after getting blasted on that illegal hit.  Again, that is why we have adults on the coaching staff who are supposedly in charge.

 

It was NOT his responsibility to say "hey, maybed I shouldn't go back in there--I can barely even walk coach".  No that woudl be the job of the fucking head coach to realize his QB CAN BARELY EVEN FUCKING WALK.

 

NONE of this was Shane Morris' responsibility.  He did everything he was supposed to do.  His only failing was assuming he had competent adults running the Michigan football program around him. 

 

All I can think about is my old high school baseball coach, who was also our football coach and the AD of our high school.  There is no goddamn way something like this would have ever happened at our school under his watch.  How is it that Michigan is paying millions of dollars to people and they can't get stuff done that my old high school coach, who probably makes under 100K a year, could handle in his sleep? 

 

 

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white_pony_rocks

September 30th, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^

we've been talking about accountability the past few days, everybody has some in this situation. a player knows he just took a shot to the head, they are at least aware of that, they need to bear some resistibility in case the coach is an asshole who only cares about winning. you never know when the person who should be looking out for you isn't actually looking out for you. it's like these celeb nude leaks, in an ideal world the responsibility is on the leakers to not be shitty humans and not leak the pics, but the world doesn't work that way so they need to protect themselves and stop talking nude pics with their phone that use cloud storage.

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JamieH

September 30th, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^

So you are seriously going to go with "let's have the 19-year-old kid who just took a blow to the head be the one who has to make the rational decision?"  That's what you're going with here? 

Seriously? 

 

Do you ever watch the sport of boxing?  Do you understand why the corner man or the referee is responsible for stopping the fight for the boxer, and not the boxer himself?

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white_pony_rocks

September 30th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

they need to be part of the change. I'm not saying it's all their responsibility or that they are the only ones that need to change their way of thinking regarding concussions. can you honestly say that no good would come from players changing their mindsets on playing after head shots or hiding concussion symptoms? you can't say that because it would be in their best interest to care more about their well being in the long term.

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white_pony_rocks

September 30th, 2014 at 5:20 PM ^

it's always fucking black and white with people like you but that's not realistic, the world will never be where the person in charge or with the power always does the right thing, it's not victim blaming, is being fucking aware of how shit really is. it's going to be far more beneficial to try and get everybody on the same page than just go, "OK, you are in charge of making sure these things don't happen again, and all you guys over there, you have no responsibility, you don't have to pay attention to anything cuz all of these guys have your best interest in mind because we told them to". good damn you're a fucking illogical idiotic human being, what is so hard to figure out about this, you Moran

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white_pony_rocks

September 30th, 2014 at 5:33 PM ^

I mean, look at this very scenario, this is a perfect example is why you don't put your unconditional trust in another human being, because there is a chance shit like this can happen, no matter how well you know them or how highly you think about them, its just not a good thing to do.  Be aware of yourself and what YOU need to do in a situation and what the repercussions might be of blindly following another person.

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