SEC could have 3 Teams in BCS

Submitted by Doctor Wolverine on November 20th, 2011 at 1:01 PM

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

Based on that rule, if LSU and Alabama both win out their regular seasons (which is probable but obviously not guaranteed) and then Georgia somehow finds a way to win the SEC Championship over LSU, the SEC would likely be able to send a 1 loss LSU and a 1 loss Alabama to the NC game (SEC NC Thread) AND send Georgia to another BCS game as an AQ. In my opinion, the fact that this scenario is even possible is just another reason why the current BCS system is ridiculous. Georgia is not even the third best team in their conference, but they are a fluke away from getting a BCS bid. I am still yet to hear a reasonable argument for why we can't just take the top 8 teams and have a playoff. That gives us 7(!!!) meaningful games, which we can still call bowls and rotate them between sites, instead of just 5 (only 1 of which is truly meaningful). We can still also have all of the other bowls for everybody else that nobody watches unless your team is in it. So, if you aren't a top team, your motor city bowl is just as meaningless as it used to be. Another benefit to the playoff system is that there would be less pressure to be perfect, so we might see fewer cupcakes in the non-conference schedules.
Anyway, those are my rants on both the SEC and BCS merged into one post. Discuss amongst yourselves.


death by wolverine

November 20th, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^

I would love to see a playoff. Having said that, I think this year Alabama and LSU would meet in the championship game anyway! At least there would be no argument. It would be proved on the field.


November 20th, 2011 at 1:18 PM ^

The problems you refer to are caused by several problems, none of which is the lack of a playoff.

First, there should be no limit on the number of teams in one conference that can get a bid. I am no SEC fan, but if they have three top-10 teams, they should all get bids.

Second, the Big East shouldn’t get an auto-bid. Their auto-bid is taking up a spot that should go to a more worthy team that has proven itself on the football field.

Third, conference championship games create anomalies. As you noted, Georgia is probably the 4th-best team in the SEC, but they will get to play for a title, for no other reason than being in the comparatively weak East division.

You could have a playoff without solving any of these issues. And you could solve those issues without having a playoff.

Bobby Boucher

November 20th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^

There is no way feasible that I could disagree with you more.  First, everyone in the media believes the SEC to be all-powerful and untouchable.  If there were no limit to the amount of conference teams in the BCS then we would see 5+ SEC teams play in BCS-Bowl games over the next 5 or so years until the rest of the country boycotts the bowl games.  Plus, how do you prove their worth when they are only playing each other.  Second, without an autobid, would we ever see a team from a "meh" conference have a chance to compete at a national level in an already screwed up system. 

However, I do think that conference championships would be worthless if there were a playoff system.

Doctor Wolverine

November 20th, 2011 at 4:56 PM ^

Oakapple, you are correct that my two rants are only loosely related. I guess my connection was that the current BCS system sucks. At least a playoff systems let's the top teams determine, on the field, who deserves to be in the championship. Right now, everyone is going to be annoyed if the NC is an SEC rematch game, but if the rematch occurred because LSU and Bama both made it through a seeded playoff, then most rational people could accept that the SEC deserved to have both teams there. Likewise, with the UM OSU situation a few years back, both teams would have been in the playoff and could have earned a right to play eachother again, instead of every Michigan fan feeling we got screwed (sans the bowl outcomes).

Zone Left

November 20th, 2011 at 1:49 PM ^

If LSU loses to Georgia, they'll fall to at least number three, so that won't be a problem. The scenario is actually possible if Arkansas beats LSU on Saturday and Georgia beats whichever team (likely Alabama as the relevant tiebreaker would be BCS standings) that comes out of the SEC West. If all the games are close, it's possible that LSU and Arkansas could have a rematch for the title.

That said, it's really, really unlikely that all those things occur. Voters would be reluctant to set up that matchup, so unless Stanford, VA Tech, and Oklahoma State all lose with only four games remaining between the three, I think we're safe.


November 20th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^

I have a hard time believing that after all of the talk a few years about having a conference rematch that they'd put Alabama and LSU in the title game. 

I think you're more likely to see Stanford in the title game, especially if Luck wins the Heisman.  A loss to Oregon is much better than a loss to Georgia or Arkansas.


November 20th, 2011 at 2:13 PM ^

the argument was how could a team that didnt win its own league play for the National Championship?  All the writers, coaches and TV poo pahs RAILED against a Mich OSU rematch...Now that its SEC teams? All those arguments seemed to have disappeared..I HATE the BCS...blow the thing UP


November 20th, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^

Not surprisingly, the rules are different when it comes to SEC schools.  Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma 2003 didn't win conference titles because they both got destroyed in their conference title games, yet they both still played for the National Championship.

In 2007, LSU already had an ugly loss to the mighty Kentucky Wildcats.  Then they lost their last regular season game to Arkansas 50-48.  They still went on to play for the national title because every team in the top 5 had 2 losses.  It didn't surprise me in the least that an SEC school became the first ever 2 loss national championship team. 

I think a major problem is the love SEC schools get in the polls.  Two weeks ago, Alabama dropped just one spot from #2 to #3 after their overtime loss to LSU.  Could you imagine a 1 loss Michigan team or a 1 loss Big Ten team dropping just one spot in the polls? 


November 20th, 2011 at 2:18 PM ^

Remember when Michigan and ohio were 1-2 and we lost the last game? Urban Meyer made the argument that "they already played and had their chance", this referring to Michigan. People also made case that Michigan didn't win their conference. So, I say to the scenario above, HELL NO. If Georgia wins the SEC title, no SEC team should be in the BCS Championship game. The unwritten rules can't change to tailor to the SEC. I'm tired of that shady conference. I would rather see Houston vs Boise St.

Doctor Wolverine

November 20th, 2011 at 5:10 PM ^

Problem is, then you still could end up with a Georgia getting in there as the fourth best team in their conference but having won the conference championship. A legit power conference winner will almost always be among the top 8 at the end of the season anyway. I could live with a conference champ AQ ONLY IF there is a rule stating that the champ must be ranked in the top 12 AND no other team from their conference is in the top 8. If these criteria cannot be met, then they don't deserve an auto bid (I am looking at you Big East for part 1 and SEC for part 2).


November 20th, 2011 at 3:54 PM ^

Alabama lost 9-6 at home to the #1 team in the country

We lost 42-39 on the road to the #1 team in the country

We didn't get a rematch. No one should. The precedent was set. The SEC is attempting to set themselves as a Big 12 above the Big 6 where they get special treatment over the other big 6 leagues


November 20th, 2011 at 5:12 PM ^

Personally, if they try this "SEC = god" crap with an all-SEC championship, I'll encourage everyone to protest in the only way that matters.


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