bronxblue

December 5th, 2017 at 10:40 PM ^

I'll be honest - I just am not all that excited about another one-year rental QB coming in, having to learn the system in a compressed timeframe and struggling for part of the year before rounding into form just in time to move on and the cycle starts over.  I'm clearly in the minority around here on this, but Michigan should focus on developing the multi-year QBs they have on the roster and not necessarily on another transfer.  I'm sure Patterson will be fine at Michigan, but it will likely stunt Peters's development (if he sticks around) or will trade one QB for another on the depth chart.

But whatever.  This seems like it's happening, and getting a former top recruit is rarely a bad thing.

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PeterKlima

December 5th, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^

However, if Peters doesn't stick around then he is afraid of competition. I expect Peters to win the job, but if he doesn't then UM will have a great QB. When you think about it, there is never really a downside to competition and pushing each other.

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Double-D

December 5th, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

There is no guarantee he even beats out Peters. We played three QBs this year due to injury. That’s not a good thing ever but maybe worse next year. I think this is about depth, competition, and increasing your odds for success. I hope we get him.

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bronxblue

December 6th, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^

I don't think he's afraid of competition. He just knows, like Speight, that this shiny new toy is going to be given preference early on, and if so that means he'll waste another year behind a guy he may be better than. I hate this BS about "not wanting to compete". Patterson is coming to Michigan because, by this logic, he doesn't want to compete with the starter at fucking Ole Miss.

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war-dawg69

December 6th, 2017 at 9:51 AM ^

You are so far off it is comical. Patterson is easily the starter at Ole Miss. He was hurt. Patterson probably wants to play for a team who can go somewhere. Do you understand the bowl ban and sholarship reductions. His coach is gone and he gets an opportunity to come help a team win their division at least, play in the big house and for Jim Harbaugh.

Oh and by the way he was allready told he has to compete for the job. There are othe rplayers involved in this also who will start for Michigan and go on to the nfl. Anderson will start at safety. Van Jefferson has experience and is one hell of a wide out. Oh and by the way he may bring Greg Little with him to help your O-line out. Greg Little rated the second best LT in the SEC.  Michigans weak spots  OL S experience at QB and WR. Huh, seems like Harbaugh is checking off problem spots does'nt  it.

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bronxblue

December 6th, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^

The bowl ban matters, but he's a guy who is probably looking to go pro in a year anyway, so I'm not as sold that matters all that much.  And I'm sure he was told that he'd compete for the spot; same was said to Peters and Speight.  Wilton Speight, of course, read that to mean that Peters was probably the preferred option and unless Speight blew him out of the water he'd be a backup, so he is rightfully looking elsewhere.  This is a pure business decision by Patterson, and while it's nice it'll be Michigan, show me the mountain of evidence that he's bringing the crew together.  At best, they might get a safety and a #2 WR, and they already have two pretty good safeties on the roster and a couple of reasonable backups, plus a plethora of WR talent.  Those are all improvements, but I'd rather spend the couple of scholarships they have this year on recruits who will be with the team beyond 2019.  As for Little, he isn't leaving the SEC.  That's a pipe dream.

I love that people want to equate some feel-good elements to Patterson wanting to leave, that he fell love with Michigan and Jim Harbaugh 2 years after he was recruited by the same guy and turned him down to go a middling SEC program that anyone with common sense knew was probably going to be caught breaking rules and get said sanctions.  As for playing for a division title, I think Peters is more than good enough to get Michigan there, with the added bonus he won't be another new starter with limited experience with the offense when they play ND.

Harbaugh is paid to do his job and he's better at it than most, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with all the choices blindly or that they are all going to work out.  And you've not presented any evidence beyond "Ole Miss is a tire fire" to say why Patterson coming to Michigan will be some super-significant win.  

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Maynard

December 6th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^

It's been said a bunch of times but I'll say it again. We were not a big player for Patterson so we recruited elsewhere as everyone thought Patterson was ultimately a lock to LSU and we already had Peters committed. So no, he didn't turn down Harbaugh as you are saying. 

Was it a surprise that Patterson chose Ole Miss? Maybe. They offered a job to his brother so maybe that did it. I don't know. But it was within the rules that Michigan has used as well. 

And the significant win that you are speaking of is that Patterson is a more talented player than any QB we have on our roster, including McCaffrey and Peters.

I can see why one would want to have continuity. That is a good argument for having Peters be the starter. But talking negatively about Patterson doesn't cut it as an argument.

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ThadMattasagoblin

December 5th, 2017 at 10:55 PM ^

Exactly. We rode it out with and treated Shane Morris as the guy under Hoke and it was a disaster. Add a talented qb that throws 350 yards er game whenever you can. If someone transfers out then your problem is fixed because that means you upgraded. If Patterson can't learn the playbook or something and Peters/Mccaffery take over the spot then your probem is fixed. If you don't go after a qb and someone tears their acl or hasn't progressed enough then you're boned.

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bronxblue

December 6th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

Do you honestly think the difference between 11-1 and 8-4 is a transfer QB? You think all three QBs on the roster struggled because they are bad, and the guy with as many TDs and picks against P5 teams last year is going to buck that trend? Again, I'm in the minority, but I've seen few people make good arguments for Patterson beyond "he was a #1 QB", which is a good thing but doesn't really address the larger problems on this team. So yeah, I'd rather get another lineman than another QB.

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Jonesy

December 6th, 2017 at 3:48 PM ^

Yes. A mediocre QB easily wins the MSU and OSU games and maybe Wisc. He's more than a mediocre QB. We got blitzed by PSU so we probably lose that one anyways. 11-1 goes to the B1G championship game and then the playoffs. We wre a QB away from the playoffs. QB was worse than the OL, half the sacks we took were QBs just holding the ball forever or choosing to take a sack instead of throwing it out of bounds.  Furthermore a freshman OL isn't going to help our line and there are only so many transfer options. Shea is interested, Little probably isn't, so we're taking the one that is interested and we'd take both if we could.

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RobSk

December 6th, 2017 at 12:33 AM ^

I mean seriously.

Peters and Patterson are the same class. 

Peters and Patterson similiarly considered out of high school.

Patterson has the advantage in numbers of starts.

Patterson has the advantage in production thus far.

Peters has the advantage in taking care of the ball, thus far.

Peters has the advantage in experience in Michigan's system.

It's a real competition, and I suspect it's quite possible that Peters wins it. Going out and kicking butt in the bowl game would be a big first step.

         Rob

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bronxblue

December 6th, 2017 at 9:38 AM ^

But that's in a world where guys believe it's a true meriotocracy. I don't think Patterson is coming to UM without a belief that he has a great shot at the starting gig. You can read into that what you want, buy he's a former #1 QB and there are teams in need of that. I assume Harbaugh intimidated he'd be QB1 (or at least QB1a) coming into the year. And so maybe Peters doesn't like having the deck stacked against him, much like Speight earlier. Both of these guys think they are good enough to start. Patterson left Ole Miss in part because he saw he'd have to compete for his spot after going down. So this is a situation where you are probably trading a less advantageous QB battle for a better one, and that would piss me off if I'm already at Michigan and showed that I could be successful.

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Alumnus93

December 5th, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^

When I see his high school film at IMG, I see RUSSELL WILSON all day long    elite pocket awareness and escapabI lift  

This is finally it   .....this will be the return to our Michigan football   it'll get us back that hump we've been under since 2005  

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bronxblue

December 6th, 2017 at 9:43 AM ^

Great, he has comparisons. On the field I see a guy who completed about 55% of his passes against P5 teams and had as many picks as TDs in those games. He's probably going to be good, but I don't care who he's compared to when I have actual evidence. Hell, Peters was compared to Andrew Luck coming out of HS.

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OneBadMutha

December 5th, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^

This isn’t the Pros where you develop a guy hoping he starts for the next decade or more. If he goes Pro after one year, good chance Michigan is in the playoffs. If they had a Pro dual threat QB this season, they would’ve been 11-1 and beat both rivals despite being super young. A Championship run also helps the program reload talent. It further develops the rest of the very young roster. Then they’ll still have very capable choices with another year of development to choose from in 2019. There is very little downside to a one and done situation. The only disaster would be he comes in and struggles with Peps system, isn’t good enough to go Pro and then a few years later we see it was Drew Henson over Tom Brady part 2.

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The Mad Hatter

December 5th, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^

I think people are forgetting how close the games were, even with awful QB play. A mediocre game manager buys us 2-3 more wins. I am thrilled to have Patterson. He can give the offense another dimension and more importantly he will provide experience and depth. If he ends up in Ann Arbor we have a legitimate chance at winning the conference and going to the playoffs.

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joeyb

December 6th, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^

Speight was still better than O'Korn. Even if we had Peters starting in the MSU, Wisconsin and OSU games, I think we win them. Saying we would get to 11 wins isn't that much of a stretch from this year considering that we will be returning almost the entire team.

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