Russell Bellomy Is Back, Shane Is Taking First Team Snaps, and Gardner Is Out This Week
In practice on Tuesday, freshman quarterback Shane Morris took snaps with the first team as Gardner's replacement. However, Hoke also announced that quarterback Russell Bellomy -- who suffered a torn ACL last spring -- returned to practice Tuesday, as well.
Michigan quarterback Devin Gardner will miss practice this week at least until Thursday with a turf toe injury.
Devin should be fine for the bowl game. I like the idea that Shane is getting a chance to get some first team reps. Also good to hear Bellomy is back.
Link to source: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10116284/devin-gardner-m…
December 10th, 2013 at 11:05 PM ^
Shane cannot redshirt. It doesn't really matter that much anyway. By 2017, we should have another 5 star qb.
December 10th, 2013 at 11:07 PM ^
Hagerup is redshirting now. Stonum was going to do it as a senior.
He can...it's just extremely unlikely.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:20 AM ^
This coaching staff isn't interested in them, apparently. We'll be taking whomever Steve Clarkson sells to Borges.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:31 AM ^
He can absolutely redshirt. Darboh is redshirting right now after playing his freshmen year. Virginia Tech tried to do the same thing with Tyrod Taylor a few years ago. He played his freshmen and they tried to redshirt him his sophomore unfortunately the starter got hurt and he had to burn his redshirt again.
December 10th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^
Besides due to injury or suspension, I've never heard of any player redshirting in a year other than their first on campus. The time to have redshirted Morris was this year, but that wasn't going to happen due to Bellomy's injury.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:14 AM ^
I don't know if it's ever happened at Michigan, but I've certainly heard of it other schools. And it's usually a situation just like this: a talented player is beaten out for a starting position, at a position like QB where really only the starter plays.
I think we should play it by ear next year. If we need someone to soak up a few garbage time handoffs or even a quarter here or there if Gardner tweaks an ankle, put Bellomy in. But if DG is going to miss a few games or more, burn Shane's redshirt.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:28 AM ^
When I played in college my freshman year our starting QB (a junior) broke his leg first game of season. Backup QB wasn't very effective so they pulled my freshmen classmates redshirt and put him in at QB. The following year when the starter returned from injury they redshirted my buddy and the original backup resumed back up duties.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:49 AM ^
That is an interesting story. What level of recruit was your classmate, and did the redshirt year pay off later in his career? Did you expect to redshirt your first year, and what was that like?
December 10th, 2013 at 11:24 PM ^
am I the only one who finds bowl practices really anti-climatic? I read through all 30 some posts before me and had no emotion. Compare this to, you know, like August, when I actually care about debate like this.
also, just in case somebody else asks: 5 years to complete your eligibilty, unless you get a medical redshirt, which would make it 6. Any one of those years you can take a redshirt (except obviously the last year...). Meaning Shane Morris could redshirt next year, which would be dumb.
December 11th, 2013 at 6:19 AM ^
I think the atrocious 7-5 year had more to do with killing our buzz than it being bowl season...
December 11th, 2013 at 7:55 AM ^
I blame some of the reporting...stop asking questions on Gardner. He's been hurt for 4 weeks and he's a senior (RS JR).
Ask questions about the future. Last year we heard about Drake Johnson during this time and he opened the year as the #2 RB.
How are the redshirt guys doing? Is there anyone that would play significant minutes if the rules allowed you to play a redshirt in the bowl game? How's Darboh? What about the young OL? Is Dymonte getting more reps?
Those are all questions that we should know the answers to during bowl practice. Yet we're asking about Gardner's health over and over.
December 11th, 2013 at 9:16 AM ^
Michigan bowl game practice reports are never anything other than Fort Schembechler clichés. What on earth are you expecting to hear? That Al Borges and Greg Mattison got into a fistfight?
December 11th, 2013 at 10:30 AM ^
Um....Yeah?
December 11th, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^
That wouldn't even be fair. Borges would telegraph all of his punches - Mattison would know exactly what was coming. Things would get ugly quick
December 11th, 2013 at 11:35 AM ^
Quite the opposite. Mattison would sit back and absorb mild body blows, block any shot to the head, and only throw a couple counterpunches of his own.
Mattison would still win, but only in a later round after Borges passed out from exhaustion.
December 10th, 2013 at 11:26 PM ^
Confused I am.
December 10th, 2013 at 11:37 PM ^
Shane can NOT redshirt THIS season because he has already played. He CAN redshirt NEXT season (2014), just like anybody else can (up until they play in a game next year).
December 10th, 2013 at 11:44 PM ^
I was reading this whole thread and thinking "it's pretty obvious where the confusion is" and was nearing the end when I read your comment (finally).
That said, I highly doubt he does RS next season, but he theoretically can next season.
December 11th, 2013 at 1:10 AM ^
I think the coaches claim an injury as a reason he didn't at the remainder of the season (didn't he only play in the first few games anyway)? I'm sure Hoke has every player listed as having some boo boo. They can simply claim that's why he didn't play the remainder of the year, which may even be true. Who knows?
December 11th, 2013 at 7:56 AM ^
than "claiming" an injury, but regardless, I don't want a coach who would do that. Honesty and integrity is impotant in a program just as in life. Trust is lost when people around you see shit like that, and rightfully so.
December 11th, 2013 at 10:31 AM ^
Pretty sure he only saw time against CMU and MSU. It might be hard to claim injury considering the MSU game was the 8th game of the year.
December 11th, 2013 at 7:57 AM ^
I don't even see how that could be implied if one read the chain of posts.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:05 AM ^
Freshman math problem this coming year:
Shane Morris the talented young Quarterback from Michigan took a few snaps during the 2013 season but never played any meaningful minutes in a game. Michigan is very high on their talented young signal-caller and would like to have him for four more years after this one. Can they:
A. Redhirt Morris this season - he played less than one quarter total
B. Not play and Redshirt Morris next season but only next season
C. Not play and Redshirt Morris any of the next three seasons giving him one extra year and four years of actual playing time over five years
D. Not redshirt Morris any season - he played his Freshman year
E. None of the above
The correct answer students is "C". If Morris doesnt play any of the next three seasons he can play one additional year as the year he didnt play would be his Redshirt year.
Next week's quiz will be on Aaron Craft's eligibility and how a student can play college basketball into his 30's.
December 11th, 2013 at 1:01 AM ^
I don't see what about the above problem qualifyies it in any way as a "math" problem. This is a question related to basic NCAA rules.
December 11th, 2013 at 7:42 AM ^
You can't redshirt the backup fellas...or do we need a refresher course? It's all ball bearings nowadays!
December 11th, 2013 at 12:09 AM ^
Russell Bellomy, LE'GO!!
December 11th, 2013 at 12:22 AM ^
I don't understand why everyone gets so confused on the redshirt issue. You get 5 years to play 4. The second you step on the field that counts as a year played. If you don't play a single snap throughout the season that counts as a redshirt year provided you haven't already redshirted. You can apply for a medical redshirt only if you get injured during the first 3 games of the season and haven't already taken a redshirt year (some extreme cases they grant you a sixth year). You can redshirt any of the 5 years on campus provided you haven't already redshirted. Shane will be able redshirt next year (Darboh is essentially doing that this year).
December 11th, 2013 at 2:46 AM ^
"I don't understand why everyone gets so confused on the redshirt issue. You get 5 years to play 4. The second you step on the field that counts as a year played."
The reason people get confused, is because so many people say this, but it's not entirely true. DG played and got his redshirt, because he was injured early in the year. You can use a redshirt at any point in your 5 years (medical or otherwise, and this doesn't mean if you play a snap you cannot get a RS). If at any point you suffer a season ending injury in your 5 years, and you play less than ~30% (IIRC) of the season, you can receive a RS (or obv, if you don't play at all). You may gain an extra, 6th year if you have already taken a RS in which you havent played, and end up suffering a season ending injury in a year you played (as I said, IIRC) less than ~30% of the season.
December 11th, 2013 at 8:30 AM ^
By "30% of the season", marti isn't saying 30% of snaps. It pretty literally means that you can only play in the first three games of the season before suffering a season ending injury to earn a medical redshirt.
It is also important to note that to earn a 6th year, your first redshirt needs to be primarily due to injury, as does the second. So if you redshirt the first time simply because you were an incoming FR, you cannot get a redshirt later because of injury.
December 11th, 2013 at 11:36 AM ^
Devin Gardner received a Hardship Waiver, not a redshirt.
December 11th, 2013 at 1:34 PM ^
Yes, the correct term is "Hardship Waiver." However, it's almost always referred to on this board as a Medical Redshirt.
December 11th, 2013 at 12:24 AM ^
like a southpaw anyway.
December 11th, 2013 at 8:53 AM ^
Unless someone got stuck on the inside
December 11th, 2013 at 11:17 AM ^
That depends on which way you have your hand flipped.
December 11th, 2013 at 1:27 AM ^
Is anyone else hoping Morris can beat out Gardner this summer and become the starter? Seems like after the Ohio State game everyones back on the Gardner train but my faith in him being consistent is almost zero.
December 11th, 2013 at 1:40 AM ^
No, hopefully, you're the only one.
December 11th, 2013 at 7:53 AM ^
Gardner has only started 18 games in his career. That's less than two years.
You really are a terrible fan. The kid had monster games vs ND and OSU and you want to discard him. Disgusting.
December 11th, 2013 at 8:04 AM ^
...not even a little bit unless it means he's Andrew Luck in his final year at Stanford and DG moving back to WR.
Don't see that one coming from Shane next year...but hey, you never know, right?
December 11th, 2013 at 8:50 AM ^
Crazy talk.
December 11th, 2013 at 9:01 AM ^
as Devin. But barring serious injury to Devin, he is and will be the starter next year.
December 11th, 2013 at 10:12 AM ^
People hoping Shane will start have recruiting stars in their eyes because no one has seen Shane do anything, so why would you want him to start? Do you really think he will be better than DG? If you do, you haven't watch enough football because there's usually a very good reason why the starter is the starter and the back-up is the back-up
December 11th, 2013 at 10:13 AM ^
Gardner was sacked 35 times this season, which I suspect might be the highest number ever recorded against a Michigan QB.
Only NW and Purdue gave up more sacks, at 36 and 38 respectively. For comparison, Iowa and MSU gave up 12 and 13.
If you think Devin can be fairly judged with the porous OL he had to work with this season—one of the least effective OLs we've had since at least 1967—you have interesting views.
December 11th, 2013 at 11:23 AM ^
I don't think that's the highest number. Sack totals used to be higher than they are now. I remember Elvis Grbac getting sacked about 10 times in the '92 Rose Bowl.
December 11th, 2013 at 10:33 AM ^
Actually, I'd be happy if Morris beat out Gardner because that would mean that Morris is an exceptional talent.
December 11th, 2013 at 2:20 AM ^
I guess it was just the offensive line and Borges. Ok I feel better now
December 11th, 2013 at 8:02 AM ^
Morris cannot redshirt THIS YEAR. (Still no idea how that was ever implied...but whatever, for the record. NO ONE was asking for this when the naysayers all started talking like they knew what they were talking about)
Morris CAN redshirt NEXT YEAR. And this is the only thing people have been discussing. (No one has said he will, everyone knows it's unlikely, but it CAN happen...hence the hypothetical debate)
Okay, now that that's cleared up. Please move along.
December 11th, 2013 at 8:36 AM ^
I can see why people get confused. I am also in the camp that wants Shane to win the job. Devin is a double edged sword who was really lucky not to have thrown 8-10 INT's in the last 5 games. The Northwestern game was especially lucky as there were about 6 passes directly into the arms of a defender. I think Devin predeterimines where he's going with the ball and throws regardless of coverage/defenders in the area. Just my opinoin, but I would like to see him slide out to WR again, and that would be best for his NFL career also.
December 11th, 2013 at 8:40 AM ^
But if you give DG time I think he is really, really good. DG got time against Indiana and OSU and he was very good. I think if his OL protects better next year, he moves away from his gun shy tendancies (getting to targets too quickly, bailing out too quickly, moving eyes to the pass rush, etc) and you'll see the QB people thought he was going to be coming into the season. You certainly see flashes of it outside of those instances, and I think a lot of that is because of the pressure he's faced all season.
December 11th, 2013 at 9:07 AM ^
be Vince Young final season at Texas good or Vince Young NFL bad next year.