Roster Question

Submitted by umbig11 on January 21st, 2019 at 6:36 PM

Just curious,why did the Oliver Martin thread get deleted yesterday? I know most of the information was behind the Paywall, but if it was discussed openly in other places 2 days later I would think that is free game. Any thoughts? As fans we can speculate all we want about the roster especially when we know we are 2-3 over the limit. I think it is reasonable to talk about spring practice, fifth years seniors, early departures, and recruiting to fill out the roster. If I am off base, let me know.



January 21st, 2019 at 7:26 PM ^

I think It has always been frowned upon on this site to talk about players like this in specific regarding attrition.

Since Ulizio is in the transfer portal already.. I will use this example...

”We will pick up a spot because there is no way Nolan Ulizio gets his 5th year” = bad.

”We should pick up a spot or two due to non-renewed 5th years” = is a good topic for discussion.


January 22nd, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^

What do other boards (specifically our rivals) do? I know OSU has 11W, but don't know the flagship ND or MSU blogs (and I don't mean the 247 or Rivals boards).

Do they speculate on players leaving, not playing...?

Also, the Ulizio example isn't a great one, because the first quote is insulting to a current player. The "no way that ..." implies that the player isn't very good. Why couldn't player names be used in the 2nd example e.g. "... non-renewed 5th years (Jblaze & Jblaze's dog are my guess)"?


January 22nd, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^

Still frowned upon - mainly because of the negative connotation a “non-renewed 5th year” indicates even if it isn’t blatant like I was trying to do in my example.

I have learned these conjectures  (or maybe just me) are normally wrong anyway. I.e.  I would have bet decent $$ that there was no way Lo Marshall and/or JBB would get their 5ths last season.


January 22nd, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

I agree with you. However, many times these fan sites get noticed by the programs. The heads of the site are known and sometimes swing their site into some perks. They then become soft and police negativity because they fear the perks will go bye bye. Typical of these things. Fan boys gonna Fan. They have to protect the outside potential of access to the program by killing what made the site big in the first place.


January 22nd, 2019 at 10:41 PM ^

It should be allowed, but people just need to frame the transfer or firm handshake in a tactful way. 

Wrong way: "Dude sucks and we could use the schollie"

Right way: "Since he hasn't played much because he's been behind stellar players like Winovich and Gary and couldn't accrue much game experience it might be in his interest to seek playing time elsewhere or in the team's interest to focus on young players for the future."

And no rumors from a bar.


January 21st, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^

I agree. Don’t get why it would be a problem as long as people don’t quote from other sites that charge. It was all pure speculation and the poster didn’t even reference any other site’s info did he?


January 21st, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^

Are we over the limit?  By my count, we had 4 players leave early, Ulizio is in the transfer portal, Aubrey Solomon transferred, and O'Maury Samuels was dismissed from the program.  Even if Ulizio were to return, that leaves 11 current juniors (by eligibility) next year, 21 sophomores, 29 freshmen, and 23 incoming.  That's 84 players.  


January 21st, 2019 at 7:31 PM ^

All I know is that I left the bar rumor thread because there was a good mix of balls and bizzare in posting such a thing based on something overheard a bar. The other thread.....I couldn't tell you. 


January 21st, 2019 at 7:46 PM ^

To finicky here, every time someone wants to talk about anything other then the norm and actually wants to get into the nuts and bolts of things people flip out! 


January 22nd, 2019 at 9:50 AM ^

The other side to that discussing rumors about players is like tweeting at recruits: it can be counterproductive and downright stupid. Do you really want to risk pissing off players who are already considering transferring? 

I'd suggest the policy to require some kind of official news is good. If his name was in the transfer portal, then we can discuss it. If his name isn't, it's stupid and pointless and potentially just plain bad.


January 21st, 2019 at 7:49 PM ^

Martin is a good player but D1 elite? Probably not. We need D1 elite so if he needs to move on that is good for him.  Just need to block his access to B1G teams.  If not, he can hang on the 3-deep abis.  


January 21st, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^

Honestly, not sure it mattered....Perry was off this year, but might have averaged 1 target a game, the tempo and play calls certainly did not place much emphasis on slot receivers.

Michigan has the players to compete if they increase tempo (cannot run play clock down to 5 seconds or less every damn play).  They increase the use of receivers as a whole as a group (hard to target when you are only using 1-2 receivers in many of the formations) with TE heavy formations and a run heavy emphasis.  Need to use spread formations/remove the play-action 3rd and long from the playbook, and probably really place some emphasis on the fact you can take some shots with the athletes they have vs. being so damn turnover averse it stops any type of risk taking at all.


January 22nd, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^

We never place emphasis on slot receivers.  There barely even IS such a thing as a "slot receiver" in our offense.  "Slot receiver" is just a label that some here like to stick on recruits that aren't very athletic or that don't have a position, or on guys who have been here a couple years and haven't accomplished much.